JGP Baltic Cup 2011 - Ladies - Result & Videos

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  1. Maofan7

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    Result & videos from the ladies event at the JGP Baltic Cup 2011:-

    1st Julia Lipnitskaya - 172.51 - RUS (Easily winning both SP and FS - superb performance)

    Short Program

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    2nd Satoko Miyahara - 162.20 - JPN

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    3rd Samantha Cesario - 153.84 - USA

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    4th Miu Sato - 135.60 - JPN

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    5th Kate Charbonneau - 128.66 - CAN

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    Leading Points Scorers After 3 Events

    1. Julia Lipnitskaya - RUS - 172.51

    2. Satoko Miyahara - JPN - 162.20

    3. Samantha Cesario - USA - 153.84

    4. Polina Shelepen - RUS - 153.40

    5. Courtney Hicks - USA - 151.91

    Comparisons With The 2010/11 Season

    1. Adelina Sotnikova - 178.97 - RUS

    2. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - 172.78 - RUS

    3. Julia Lipnitskaya - 172.51 - RUS

    4. Christina Gao - 167.14 - USA

    5. Satoko Miyahara - 162.20 - JPN

    What a performance by Lipnitskaya. Russia have got 3 superstars on there hands in Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, and Lipnitskaya. Lipnitskaya will be eligible to compete at the Worlds and in the Olympics during the 2013/14 season. Something tells me that both Alena Leonova and Ksenia Makarova will struggle to make it into the Russian figure skating team for the Olympics in their home country!
     
  2. Jenna

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    See, this is where the scoring system bugs me. Cesario has a higher total score than Hicks, Shelepen, Shoji, and Li, yet she is behind them because her event was the hardest. I've been saying it for years, but I think this needs revision.
     
  3. Jammers

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    How old is Lipnitskaya. She looks about 13.
     
  4. sequinsgalore

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    Well, she is 13. Japanese Satoko Miyahara (silver) is also 13 but looks considerably younger!
     
  5. pinky166

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    Yeah, Julia has grown quite a bit since last season when she looked very young, though of course at 151 cm (4'11"), she's likely got quite a bit of growing ahead of her. Miyahara is SOO tiny, like tinier than Polina Agafonova 2 seasons ago, she's so cute :).
     
  6. mgobluegirl

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    Miyahara looks about 9.
     
  7. Marco

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    Lipnitskaya has all the potential in the world, and 2 2axel3toes is genius under COP. But she really needs to hold out her moves and skate less hecticly.

    It's hard to see if Miyahara's jumps ever left the ice. I thought she would get massive <s. Oh well.

    Cesario's skating is so beautiful. Most enjoyable skater of the competition for me. A little more projection and confidence will go a LONG way.
     
  8. skfan

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    I really like Cesario&#8217;s program, especially the first cut of music, the hugeness of her jumps. She even has a costume that both fits the theme and is not excessively fussy. This is my favorite program through the 3 JGP&#8217;s so far.

    One question though--is she nursing an injury? At some points in the long program she looked like she was in pain. Her stroking also looks a lot more labored than I recalled it looking at the summer competition (Liberty, was it?)

    Yulia L. is clearly a kick-ass skater, but can someone help me understand why she was wearing mittens? What does that have to do with the Romeo and Juliet theme? If they were red gloves, I could at least imagine that Juliet had dipped her hands in Tybalt&#8217;s blood and was having an angst filled exploration of her burgeoning passion for Romeo&#8230;

    Miyahara is quite a talent, but for me a riddle. On the one hand the jumps don&#8217;t look very big. On the other hand the flow she gets out of them reminds me of Fumie Suguri&#8217;s jumps in better days. Suguri is the only skater whom I&#8217;ve ever watched for her jumps, the amazing flow she got coming out of them. Miyahara really looks like she&#8217;s all of 8 or 9 years old, which is why her scent of a woman exhibition program made me a bit uncomfortable. Still, a talent to watch.

    How about Miu Sato with those huge jumps? How are they so big when she slows down and stalks them&#8212;I would think losing speed would hurt her ability to achieve height and distance in her jumps.

    ETA
    forgot to thank Monica S. for my Maria Butyrskaya flashbacks. Beautiful camel spins :)
     
  9. jlai

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    :rofl:
     
  10. Triple Butz

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    Just watched all three for the second time and ITA on all accounts. Cesario should be used as an example to all skaters on how to use your arms in a graceful and controlled manner. She was way robbed in PCS, should have been miles above Miyahara and slightly ahead of Lipnitskaya IMO.
     
  11. icellist

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    Just watched top 4...

    Julia Lipnitskaya is the bendy jumping bean! She rotates so fast in the air, but I think she'll have under-rotation issues when the puberty monster brings her actual hips. Not to mention, that her flexibility and totally insane. She WILL lose it or suffer from a long life of back problems. Even though she does those feats so effortlessly, I can't imagine the pain it causes... But, will all the flexibility in the world, she still hits some ugly positions in her spins. The Russian BBs need to get rid of the one-handed-wannabe-bielmann that they love to do. It's fugly. (that's a period :D). her layback looks incredibly stiff. And her arm position in her spins ruin some of the beauty that the rest of her body makes :( Her PCS scores also boggle my mind. Why were her interpretation and choreography scores so high? I saw no artistry in the program and weak choreography that didn't really match the music or it's story. Overall, she definitely uses COP to her advantage though.

    The japanese girls are so kawaii!!! Miu Sato looked like an Ando-jr and Satako Miyahara looked like a Suzuki-jr. I seriously think Miyahara will be devoured by the puberty monster though. She doesn't have much flexibility for a girl with her body type and her jumps dont get much air. She does have nice step sequences. OTOH, Sato has huge jumps! Both of there spins were quite forgettable though. But, both of these girls are still very behind Ando and Suzuki. Need more work on artistry too.

    Samantha Cesario uses her arms beautifully! She deserves very high scores for presentation. She seems like an all around skater. Loved her Black Swan program (much better than Wagner's hyped one...). Looking forward to see more of her. She has very technique on most of her jumps, but her salchow looks very bad. As in, the technique will not be very nice to her, it looks both underrotated because of the lack of height because it looks like she only jumps with one leg. She should really work on her salchow or change the jump... Other than her transition mark (which she could work on), she was PCS robbed here. I would have had Cesario over Miyahara.


    And... does anyone think that the judges are being generous with scores a little bit early this year? Shelepen, Li, and Agafnova were underscored in the first event in comparison. And Risa Shoji was still so robbed of points... I can't stop remembering Vanessa Lam's bad fall at the end of her program, that was super loud yet in-sync with the beat of her program. cringe-worthy...
     
  12. Eris

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    Yeah, I do. Compared to Riga and Brisbane, these girls recieved rather generous scores. And judges in previous events were way stricter about UR and DR.

    That is why I have nothing against this scoring and qualifying system.:shuffle:
     
  13. Maofan7

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    What is this on here? The Samantha Cesario fan club? Lipnitskaya and Miyahara are juniors, look like juniors, skate like juniors, and come complete with all of the faults and skating immaturities of juniors. Remember, this is a Junior competition. For all that, they skated absolutely brilliantly and were well deserving of the marks they received. Lipnitskaya is the class act of this years JGP. Being only 13 years old and given how well they skated, both Lipnitskaya and Miyahara have huge potential to go and be fantastic seniors.

    As for Samantha Cesario, she is 18 years old!! What is she still doing competing in juniors??? People say that her presentation is more mature than the other juniors. Well, given that she is 18 years old and should be in seniors, it jolly well ought to be. She is an excellent skater. There is no doubt about that. But, the mark she got was all that her performances deserved. The judges got it absolutely spot on. The fact of the matter is, both Lipnitskaya and Miyahara outskated her and deserved to be 1st and 2nd respectively. The suggestion that Cesario should have won is completely ridiculous

    As stated, I really don't think Cesario and other 18 year olds should be in the juniors. They should be in the seniors. I think the upper age limit for juniors should be 16 and juniors should be competing only with juniors.
     
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  14. takuna

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    julia is very musical, but she needs better choreograpy imho
     
  15. used2skate

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    It is Figure Skating! You can't really compare numbers. The PCS relies on the panel THAT day! Even the element score is subject to the panel but not so much.
    Brisbane was not generous on PCS, but come the TES:
    Hicks: 55.04
    Lam: 51.90 (with a fall)
    Cessario: 51.86
     
  16. sk8npro

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    I just watched all 3 of the videos and this has nothing to do with a Samantha Cesario fan club. It has to do with calling it as you see it, Samantha's PCS should be by far higher than the other 2. No one is saying she would have been the winner if they were. Although IMO I think she is a whole package skater. :)

    BTW as for her age, Samantha had to withdraw from last years Nationals due to a back injury and she trained very hard to be able to even be considered for a GP event at all. As we know your considered for a GP from how well you do at Nationals. When asked she has said that she was very happy that she did make the age requirement for JGP to give her international exposure. IMO they should leave the age of 18 and raise the min. age since these poor girls are being pushed so hard to get triples earlier than 12 and causing injuries.
     
  17. ks777

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  18. Autumn_girl

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    ...and turn Junior Grand Prix into the second-rate Senior Grand Prix, right? We can see it almost every year already at Junior Worlds when senior skaters who weren't good enough to make a senior team get the trip to JW as a consolation prize and the real juniors stay home
     
  19. Triple Butz

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    That's your opinion and that's fine, but the fact is that she IS allowed in juniors, and like it or not, her presentation is miles ahead of Miyahara. You're suggesting that the judges should score the two under separate age criteria which is totally bonkers. You have to score the actual performance of the actual skater as it happens, no biases allowed. Most of us aren't saying Cesario should have won, just that her PCS marks were too low comparatively, and she should have perhaps been one place higher.
     
  20. jlai

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    I think 17 may be a reasonable upper limit, but then had that changed, USFS would have to sign up for more senior B internationals and there may not be enough spots for all the talented 18 year-olds.

    That's probably because USFS won't send her to Skate America :wuzrobbed
     
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  21. Stephanie

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    Are you sure that's the case? Cesario wanted to go back to the JGP (this was reported at Liberty), probably because she could get more experience (2 or 3 competitions instead of 1) and world ranking points than one senior Grand Prix. Maybe also her coaches wanted her to get more experience (she only had two internationals prior to Poland) before moving her up to the senior international ranks.
     
  22. jlai

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    I said probably. :) (Remember two seasons before, Emily Hughes was chosen over her to Skate America?) If you don't have a proven track record at nationals do not apply. That's USFS for you.

    Based on current USFS selection criteria I would choose JGP too. That's my best ticket to GP. Had senior Bs played a bigger role that might have been different
     
  23. Macassar88

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    Is there a reason why Lipnitskaya is doing Dark Eyes AND Romeo and Juliet by Rota?
    Although she has better jumps than Cohen did, Lipnitskaya really needs better choreo. Also, she needs to work on her spin positions. She needs to point her toes as well. It kills her line otherwise.
     
  24. Domshabfan

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    I think she did a good job for a 13 year old skater and she progressed substantially since last year. Yes, she could improve her layback position, but i don't think she is going to lose levels for that. i don't know what you were watching since some of the positions in her spin have never been done before. I am sure those will receive very high GOEs from the judges. One think Lipnitskkaya has over cohen is some clean competitions were she did not fall on the ice.
     
  25. Cherub721

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    It's not so uncommon for juniors to do that. Pechalat & Bourzat used to skate to Anissina & Peizerat's old programs and Pang & Tong used to do the same with Shen & Zhao's. Granted those pairs were from the same country/coaches but I bet Sasha Cohen is an inspiration to a lot of little Russian girls considering her background. I hope Lipnitskaya becomes more creative over the years but she's off to a good start... this is her first junior eligible season!
     
  26. pinky166

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    I feel like the scores were a bit inflated for the last group here. Julia was good but 112 seems a little over-the-top, and Miyahara is VERY junior so 105 also seems steep considering her jumps barely left the ice. Samantha's marks were fair, could have even been higher, but I feel like Polina S. and especially Risa were underscored at their events in comparison to the skaters here. If Julia gets 112 for a performance it's a joke that Risa and Polina get around 10 points lower for skates with similar technical content and more maturity :rolleyes:.
     
  27. jlai

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    I don't think the scores matter, pinky, unless they get into a score tiebreak in deciding who goes to Quebec City.

    Polina will have at least another chance to score high if not more
     
  28. Jenna

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    Pinky, I agree but I do not have a problem with Lipnitskaia at 112+. She deserves it with 7 triples and L4 spins. I don't have a problem with Hicks' score either (if anything, it should be lower :shuffle:), but I do have a problem with Shoji's marks. She should have won her event with a really big number. She was a bit shafted. Miyahara was pretty generously scored as well, but her program was more difficult than Cesario's, technically. I don't have a big problem with her being ahead.
     
  29. Macassar88

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    However, if she wants to get o the next level, she needs to point her toes. Even on those really hard spins.
     
  30. oleada

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    Lipnitskaia was also reported to have really good speed by people who were there. She's coming along great.