Jessica Dubé & Bryce Davison end their 9-year partnership

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Mar 10, 2011.

  1. shutterbug

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    Remember that after his injury - and subsequent surgery - Davison had to move back to Ontario to live with his parents. So at the time Dube ended the partnership, Davison had been away for 3 or 4 months. Certainly they indicated that they'd talked on the phone, but that's not nearly the same as training together day in, day out.

    The comments in this article do appear to confirm my earlier speculation that the end of the partnership may have, in part, been due to Dube's reluctance to leave her home/home rink. There could be a good reason (family illness etc.) that she did/does not want leave Quebec, but it would seem that she was no longer willing to make the sacrifices needed to keep the partnership viable - whether that be moving rinks and/or changing coaches, or something else.

    In the last couple of years, the pair had spent some time away working with other pairs coaches. Perhaps these were in some way try-outs for a rink/coach change, and Davison thought that Dube was opening up to other options. But then, she changed her mind during the post-injury separation. They'd probably not been apart for more than a 2-3 weeks for over 8 years - then suddenly they were apart for months. When they were in their regular training routine, as they been in for 8 years, staying together might have seemed the natural/easiest thing to do. But the separation may have finally given Dube a chance to get a feel for what life without the partnership would be like.

    As an aside, I wouldn't read too much into the article. It's not well written - the direct quotes in particular, are poorly edited with a lot of missing words. People tend to drop words when they speak or impart meaning through gesture. Thus, a direct transcription of an interview can often make a person appear much less well spoken than in reality. A good writer can gently edit the direct transcription without losing the person's voice or meaning - this writer didn't appear to do any editing at all.

    That said, I wouldn't doubt that Davison is going through a lot of hurt. After all, the life he's known for 8-9 years has all of a sudden changed dramatically. And with no guarantee that he'll ever be able to return to elite skating again. Though, I have no doubt that he'll land on his feet - I get the impression that he's very bright, and his French is completely fluent which is a great asset for many jobs.
     
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  3. flowerpower

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    Sorry, I am re-posting in this thread, since the discussion has moved over here. :)

     
  4. MacMadame

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    How do we know she didn't? Because Bryce is saying this "came out of the blue"? Maybe that means she didn't speak up, but it just as likely could mean that he wasn't listening.

    There are many reasons to think this split just didn't suddenly happen with no warning.
     
  5. lavenderblue

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    Forgive me if I'm wildly misunderstanding, but the impression I've derived from this and prior articles, to say nothing of their career history, is not that poor Jessica was unhappy and Bryce couldn't see it, thus she needed to end things. It's that Jessica was content with the situation as it stood, and when Bryce (quite reasonably, given their repeated issues outside of Nationals) suggested change -- change of coach, change of venue, change of, say, program elements instead of performing minor variations upon the exact same program year in and year out -- she balked. Last summer, they tried something new by working with Doug Ladret in Arizona and in their single outing after that, any new attempted elements were bombed when Jessica developed yet another physical complaint. Had Bryce not asserted a need for a shake-up, I'm not so sure Jessica would have seen any cause to split.
     
  6. mag

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    Originally Posted by shutterbug View Post

    Memo to male pair skaters: Sharpen your telepathic skills because you never know when you’ll be expected to read your partner’s mind. Jessica and Bryce underwent extensive couples therapy when their personal relationship ended and ongoing maintenance for some time afterward. If they don’t have excellent communication skills after all that then they should ask the psychologist for their money back. They were reportedly in constant communication during their separation. If Jessica was unhappy then it was her responsibility to speak up and see if a solution to the problem(s) could be found.

    (Sorry, I can't figure out how to quote a quote...)

    As this was in response to my post in another thread, I will respond here. My point was that Bryce didn't need telepathic skills to see Jessica wasn't happy. If, in fact, they went through therapy, if he was at all sensitive to what was happening on the ice, he would have seen what seemed fairly clear to the rest of the world, that something was wrong. If have no idea if Jessica said anything or if they talked about it, or anything at all about their relationship. I just think it is a bit much for Bryce to say "it came out of the blue" because it so obviously didn't. Now it may be that the writer misquoted Bryce or that didn't really mean what he said. We have no way of knowing because we weren't there. I am not a huge fan of Jessica's, and if I had to guess I think she is a bit passive aggressive, but, at the same time, Bryce has always come across to me as a bit controlling. IMHO Bryce would have been better not to try to play the sympathy card. Again, IMHO, it makes him look bad.
     
  7. Perky Shae Lynn

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    When you are an international level skater, you don't expect your partner to just pick up the phone & inform you she is through. It's a big decision that affects every aspect of a skater's life. Sponsorships, earning potential, living arrangements, school enrollment, etc. Usually on this level breakups are discussed at length - and are not a surprise at all. Just because Bryce knew Jessica was unhappy, doesn't mean he expected her to abruptly end the partnership while he was rehabbing from surgery. I do not blame Jessica for doing what is best for her, but I wish things had been handled differently.
     
  8. Subway

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    First post after lurking for my .02

    It seems fairly clear Bryce knew something was wrong and wanted to do something about it and she didn't. And how did the take on this become that the something wrong must be that Jessica was unhappy? The split happened because BRYCE was unhappy but Jessica was happy with the status quo. It is Jessica who refused to listen to Bryce and tuned out his unhappiness. The insensitivity is hers, if the blame game is to be played, if not, the case stays: She liked things as is, and common observational evidence points to her being uninterested in changing.

    Despite her desultory results of the past few years outside nationals, she was content to keep things as they were. Bryce wanted to make changes. Jessica refused. What was fairly clear to the rest of the world was not Jessica's unhappiness but her stagnation as a skater and D&D's as a team. The girl herself claims to be happy on and off the ice, and appeared delighted with her Olympic experience outside the results, spending a lot of off ice time with Bryce and their families.

    This team needed to change to keep going. Jessica wanted to keep going without changing. Voila - she won't skate with him anymore. She remains happily in Quebec with her childhood coach, making the same mistakes (all four salchows in her four outings as a singles skater this season). As lavenderblue said, before Bryce was injured the team spent parts of the summer outside Quebec acquiring new element difficulty but at the summer competition the new stuff didn't happen.

    So. She was happy. He wasn't; she wasn't willing to take the steps needed to change. Now they're history and she can keep being happy, as she was before.

    P.S. I'm not of the school that Jessica's performance on ice must mean she's unhappy. Rather, unwillingness to put in the type of focused training that leads to seriously deconstructing your mechanics and breaking old habits. In her younger years, the way she trained was enough for success. It appears she didn't grow her training habits as she matured. She likes things to stay the same.
     
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  9. shutterbug

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    Jessica very clearly stated her intention to return to pair skating with Bryce in any written or video interview I saw between the time of Bryce’s injury and the announcement of the split. At no time was there any indication of difficulties with their training. Quite the opposite in fact, she presented as being surprisingly dependent on his support. If she was truly unhappy skating with him, it would have been the perfect opportunity to begin a graceful withdrawal from the partnership. However, as late as Canadian Nationals the CBC/bold commentary teams were still operating on the premise that she intended to continue skating with Bryce. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was genuinely blindsided by her decision to end the partnership. Whether or not it was wise of him to play the sympathy card is up to individual interpretation.
     
  10. lovesskating

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    I think what will be more interesting is if Jessica show's up with a new partner? I have heard some very interesting rumors. If they turn out to be true then Bryce has alot of reasons to lick his wounds. I for one do believe Bryce was out maneuvered. Very unfortunate, as Bryce was one I watched in the pair team as I knew he would land his tricks.
     
  11. Subway

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    Interesting, lovesskating. I do believe Jessica was maneuvering but that's just instinct. Like Bryce said, pairs split all the time. But this has left a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of fans. She appears to have been opportunistic about Bryce's injury. Once she no longer needed him as her support group and cheering section for singles, he got offloaded because it looks like reciprocity just isn't her style.

    If there's a negative reaction to Jessica in places, it's because even when back in their times of potential, she was always injured; couple of car accidents, practice mishaps and he stuck by her. I don't think he ever considered looking for another partner and there were many times nobody would have blamed him. Comes the year before the Olympics and the Olympic year and his dreams of the podium went down the toilet due to her making the same mistake over and over. In my mind I see all the KissNCry video where Bryce must have been devastated as a season's effort was lost, but the energy in the space, including his, was about petting and consoling her. Nobody spent much time on his feelings.

    I think some fans are tired of Bryce being blamed for her issues. Her issues are her own. She's by most accounts quite a strong willed person, not at all a suffer in silence sort - or inclined to suffer, period, considering she didn't care to train with or wait for an injured partner after eight years. What a lot of fans see is she is the one who was the drag on the team in recent times and his support was unflagging. When it's her turn to reciprocate, she makes a run for it. It looks bad. It IS bad. Her parting comments were selfish sounding; it came off like she felt his injury was unlucky for him but a gift to her and she took it. There wasn't the praise for the partner and faith in his comeback as they parted ways that you'd expect even as lip service on the occasion.

    I can't resist adding that I am a little sad that Bryce would be called out for playing the sympathy card when he's talking about his own feelings for once, when he has been teamed for eight years with a partner for whom the sympathy card is a way of life. He has a problem it's his fault she has a problem it's his fault. How unfair.
     
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  12. flowerpower

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    Very true. My reaction: :scream::scream:
     
  13. PeterG

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    I agree that one of the two must be burned at the stake. Now it is up to us decide which of the two that is. And we have... All. Summer. Long.

    Mmmm...how I love lengthy trials. So rich! :)
     
  14. Theatregirl1122

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    Yes, but we were already going to have a busy summer deciding who would have won worlds if only they were held on time. This adds a lot to the plate.
     
  15. flowerpower

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    Love you, PeterG! :lol:
     
  16. skatingfan04

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    The thing that rubbed me the wrong way about all of this is that Dube seemed to make a complete about face. When she first decided to skate singles, she was adamate about the fact that she was just keeping in shape until Davison got back, and insisted that she was not returning to singles. Then, just like that, we find out that the partnership is over. It just seemed a bit strange to me. She had obviously committed to seeing the season through...they had a new program and were by all accounts ready to skate at SC before the injury happened. It seemed strange that he got hurt and she ended things just like that. It seemes to me like skating singles at nationals made her realize that she missed it or was happier doing it than pairs. She certainly looked more at ease this year than she has in the past few seaons with Davison. I really hope that he finds someone new...he's a fantastic pairs skater.
     
  17. hanca

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    Maybe he could skate with Mukhortova? She still doesn't have a partner...
     
  18. overedge

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    I'm not sure why this is a reason to condemn either of them, just because they did not handle things the way you would like to see them handled. It's their partnership/relationship, and like any partnership/relationship it's not perfect, but it's their choice, not yours, how they decide to manage that.
     
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    I don't think that would work. According to her ISU bio, she's 162 cm and her previous partner, Trankov, was 187. Bryce Davison is considerably shorter at 177.
     
  20. victoriajh

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    you cant make refference to rumours and NOT share!!!! that is suely a rule of belonging to FSU :lol:
     
  21. quebecoise

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    I agree! You have to tell us what rumours are!:lol:
     
  22. reese

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    I would think Bryce would be in HIGH demand right now all over North America, even with his injury. I would imagine he's receiving phone calls every day from skate moms of potential partners and from coaches all over.
     
  23. Coco

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    I would be interested to see them skate adagio style pairs in shows. Two great skaters with nothing to do. Besides, his knee won't hold up to much, it sounds like.
     
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    Does Jessica REALLY think that we believe the sequence of events she is putting out there?

    Hmm.... it all flows so nicely. Break up with Byrce, accidently find a partner, announce partner.

    Sorry dear, but I have a feeling that "partner" had been picked out prior to "break up"
     
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    I can't believe this! Tried so hard to like Jessica despite all of this, but I really feel she tricked Bryce :( Sigh.
     
  27. brina

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    Oh wow. I have a difficult time believing this coincidence.. poor Bryce.
     
  28. Subway

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    What about Tara Hancherow? The article says that Wolfe was her partner? Did this partner split up before the Dube/Wolfe partnership happened?

    Hancherow was supposedly a dear friend of Jessica's. I think she's a teen-ager.

    Kudos to you, lovesskating. You were correct.
     
  29. Perky Shae Lynn

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    Well, the cat is out of the bag. Frankly, I find the whole thing extremely distasteful. I can't say anything else, but think about the timing and how new partnerships on this level are formed... And reach your own conclusion about what happened.
     
  30. victoriajh

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    well its not like any of us actually thought she had a promising carreer in singles! so the partner thing does not surprise me- the fact it is NOT a seasoned senior skater does but i guess it is slim pickin's out there right now- i was thiking cody hay would have made a good choice0 but who is to say they did not try out and he :scream::runs: this will be interesting if nothing else..