Jersey on Ice - TLC Premiers Dec 12/12

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  1. cruisin

    cruisin Well-Known Member

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    Not even remotely famous. None of them has ever produced any serious skater. I have lived in NJ my entire life, and have been in almost all of the rinks in northern NJ. I've never heard of any of them.

    Morosov has been in Russia for quite a while now. However, there are lots of excellent coaches at NJ rinks, including Floyd Hall. These coaches are not USFS coaches. Best coaches in NJ, my arse! :lol:

    With good reason! PSA sent out emails re: the show a year ago. Asking coaches if they knew anyone who would be interested. No serious coaches wanted to touch it. Especially since USFS sent all clubs a message that any skater who participated in the show would lose eligibility. No talented skater, in their right mind, would do that. I can't see any serious coach risking the ire of USFS by participating either. Plus, it would ruin their reputation. When that one coach said something about skaters wanting to take from coaches who produced hardware (AKA medals) I almost choked!

    I can't imagine any of those skaters being able to compete at Juvenile or Intermediate. I can't see them competing at Pre-Preliminary and doing well. But, remember ISI rules are that you cannot do any element that is a higher level than what is required at that level. USFS levels have a minimum element level. So, in ISI if axel is the required jump, you cannot do anything higher than that. In Juvenile, where axel is required, you can do triples if you're able to, with no penalty.

    ISI used to be the entry level for almost all skaters. Rinks had the membership with ISI and based their group lessons on them. Awarded badges for ISI levels passed. This was prior to USFS initiating their own Learn to Skate program. Now most rinks use the USFS program. But, in the "old days", skaters stayed with ISI until around freestyle 5, which required an axel. At that point, they usually switched over to USFS, if they had ability. Before FS 5, most skaters did both, just for competition experience. But, at Juvenile, the difference in what you could do for an ISI program and what would be expected to do well in a USFS program became too far apart and was no longer viable.

    These coaches do not represent ISI or NJ coaches. They are loud, obnoxious, and full of crap. They misrepresented the LP competition as Regionals. The show doesn't do anything to let the viewer in on the fact that these are recreational skaters. All this is is another opportunity to make NJ look bad and make Italian Americans look bad.
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  2. gkelly

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    No, triples have been illegal at juvenile level in the US for at least 10 years. There was some controversy among her peers who felt she was sandbagging when Julia Vlassov was practicing triples on the warmup for her juvenile competition at Junior Nationals.

    They are legal in intermediate, though -- even in the short program as of last? year.
  3. cruisin

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    Ah, I stand corrected. I've been out of the jump loop for a while :D. Doubles are permitted, correct? The point is that even though the two levels have the same element requirement for testing, the competition structure is completely different.
  4. gkelly

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    Yes. The hardest jump allowed in juvenile is double axel.
    www.usfigureskating.org/New_Judging.asp?id=355

    Pre-juvenile allows all doubles except double axel.
    http://www.usfigureskating.org/content/Singles FS Elements 2012-2013 No test - Pre Juv.pdf

    Very true.
  5. 2sk8

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    Just took a look at the sparkly competition and made-up medal ceremony - I guess she/they went for it since Fraser/Lukanin are 2 of the judges for the competition & she gives out the medals at the end.
  6. Southpaw

    Southpaw Saint Smugpawski

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    They can always run for Mayor of Newark if this skating coach gig doesn't pan out.
  7. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    Do you have to infiltrate every thread with digs at Corey Booker?
  8. cruisin

    cruisin Well-Known Member

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    Maybe she's thinking he'll beat Christie for Governor.
  9. Morry Stillwell

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    If any subject deserves to be in the trash can, this one does. What a disgrace.:scream:
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  10. Southpaw

    Southpaw Saint Smugpawski

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    :lol: Do you really think I'm just talking about him?

    This is a Jersey thread, I can infiltrate it with whichever Jersey reference I want. :summer:
  11. LadyNit

    LadyNit moving right along Staff Member

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    What a Smugpaw... ;)
  12. Southpaw

    Southpaw Saint Smugpawski

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    Maybe *I* should get my own Jersey reality show. What do these big mouth annoying coaches have that *I* don't have? :drama:
  13. VALuvsMKwan

    VALuvsMKwan Wandering Goy

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    Dorothy, Tin Man and Scarecrow together: "Courage?"

    ;)
  14. lulu

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    From the ISI official f.b. page:

  15. cruisin

    cruisin Well-Known Member

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    Good for ISI.
  16. 2sk8

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    Wow, just wow. Good for ISI, for sure.
  17. just tuned in

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    What, you mean the ISI wasn't behind the ploy that sent the rival coach to that dinky bar where frothy pink cocktails are part of the set decoration?!
  18. Willowway

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    And from the current Director of the PSA on their FB page:

    "In response to the reality TV show “Jersey on Ice”, the Professional Skaters Association acknowledges the show has reflected poorly on the sport of competitive figure skating, and the coaching community. Having viewed the production of “Jersey on Ice,” the show sensationalizes and dramatizes the relationship between instructor, parent, and skater. It is not consistent with the traits that members of the PSA espouse or represent.

    The Professional Skaters Association reminds members that it is their responsibility to act in a manner fitting a PSA member, including exercising the greatest care, professionalism and ethical behavior. Only through their professionalism and diligence will the coaching profession and figure skating be viewed positively."
  19. Southpaw

    Southpaw Saint Smugpawski

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    Oh dear. Perhaps courage is an overrated virtue.
  20. cruisin

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    They should have considered that before they encouraged coaches to do this.
  21. aliceanne

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    I find all these Jersey Italian stereotypes awfully dated. My family has lived at the Jersey shore for several generations and I haven't seen anyone like that for about 40 or 50 years. Isn't Snooki from upstate NY anyway?

    It's a shame that they couldn't do a reality show like "Mad Hot Ballroom" for ISI skating. ISI is less expensive and lower pressure for kids than USFSA. If they have a decent coach the truly athletic kids have no problem moving on to USFSA. It might interest more people in figure skating as a fun and fitness activity.
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    We shouldn't assume that PSA (or ISI) "encouraged" those coaches in any way. It was their decision.

    Hopefully the ratings were low and this pilot episode won't be picked up by TLC...
    ETA from one of the local articles I posted earlier:
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  23. cruisin

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    Unfortunately, that is not the network's goal. Their goal is to sensationalize and create drama. As for presenting Italian Americans with this stereotype, it is just offensive. If it were another ethnic group, you could bet that there would be outrage. But, for some reason, it's okay to do this with Italians. And what's worse, the Italian Americans, in these shows, allow it!
  24. cruisin

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    The PSA (not ISI) sent memos out to coaches a year ago. Informing them about the show and asking them if they or anyone they knew was interested. They should have declined to do that. They had to have some idea that a TLC Reality Show would not portray skating in a good light.
  25. maatTheViking

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    Maybe they were hoping that having PSA coaches on there would show good coaching - sort of preventing disaster. If that was their goal they were pretty naive given the network...
  26. skatemommy

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    from the people who brought us "Honey Boo Boo" really skating didn't stand a chance!
  27. overedge

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    This is an awesome idea. There is built-in drama in any skating competition anyway, so showing the non-elite kids preparing for a competition and then going to it would be exciting enough.
  28. VIETgrlTerifa

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    What about the Shahs of Sunset (Middle Eastern), Honey Boo Boo (white trailer park culture), those Roma reality shows (Gypsy Wedding and other ones I can't think of), etc. Networks make no qualms over airing shows with offensive, racially-stereotypical content as long as there is an audience for them.
  29. cruisin

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    You're right. And to make matters worse people within those ethnicities are more than willing to participate, as long as they get paid.
  30. cruisin

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    Did they cancel the show, I don't see it listed anywhere.
  31. overedge

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    IIRC the episode that was shown was the pilot, and TLC was going to look at the ratings before deciding whether to commission more shows.
    I hope they know about the PSA and ISI criticisms....
  32. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I posted above (#62) that it was a pilot episode. I don't know what ratings it needed to achieve in order to be picked up by TLC as a series.