Jeremy Abbott's programs this season

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  1. Anita18

    Anita18 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. I'll never forget the times I watched Patrick Chan skate live. He just builds up so much speed so effortlessly, I could watch him for hours just stroking. :swoon: That's not easy, and it's a very rare ability. Carolina Kostner comes pretty close, but she doesn't build up the same power. And again with her, it's an ability that doesn't come across nearly as much on TV. You really have to see them both live to appreciate their skating.

    Whereas with Jeremy, he really has to be skating a program for me to truly appreciate him. :) He really does have gorgeous programs, and he skates them with sensitivity that nobody else possesses.

    Now if Patrick could also develop the same level of sensitivity (and every year he's been improving at this), then he'd be my perfect skater. ;) But Jeremy and Patrick both have different styles and I can definitely appreciate them both for what they offer.
  2. dinakt

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    I just need to write again that every time I rewatch Jeremy's LP I think:"That is absolutely amazing".
  3. aftershocks

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    Do you mean sensitivity or artistry? Not exactly the same thing, although I would agree that Jeremy seems very thoughtful and sensitive ("capacity to respond to outer stimuli; emotional awareness"). This aspect of his personality can help and hurt.

    Patrick seems to be trying to display artistic sensibility in his programs, but IMO, he's not really there yet, plus he doesn't really interpret the music as well as Jeremy and Dai. I think Patrick still has a level of immaturity in his skating, which should not be surprising since he is still maturing (he's been around since age 16, so its easy to forget he's not 21 yet -- his birthday is in December).
  4. Anita18

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    I mean "sensitivity" as in "artistry that actually kind of quantifiable." :lol: Knowing when to push and when to pull back. Jeremy has moments in his LP where he does just a soft, small movement but he does it in the spirit of the music, so much so that it takes your breath away. Bringing his arm down during his last spin is one of those moments. Such a little thing, but it means so much.

    Patrick's not at that level yet, his bread-and-butter is his sheer skating ability. He's all push, but he's been improving. But soaring dramatic music definitely suits his style, I don't see him ever doing a quiet, introspective, and sensitive program like Jeremy's successfully.
  5. aftershocks

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    This I would agree. Jeremy's program is breathtaking, and even those who don't like his style of skating have been moved by his fp this season.

    When you are an intuitive, sensing, feeling person it is possible to over think and analyze too much, instead of relaxing. With his two programs this season, I think Jeremy seems to be able to relax more and let the music take him, while still maintaining the focus but not the over-thinking should he make a mistake re his jumps. If a skater makes a mistake, it's important to get quickly back into the flow of the program, and not tense up.

    Definitely Patrick's personality seems suited to the music choices he makes, but who knows, to stretch himself a switch might be in order.
  6. Allskate

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    I was thinking of Matt Savoie when I saw Jeremy's long program last week. Both because of the transitions and because of the subtlety and restraint. I always thought that Matt did not get enough credit for his transitions, choregoraphy, and difficulty. There were times when a certain skater beloved by judges would do little besides crossovers between elements would get higher transition and choreography scores than Matt would, and it drove me crazy. I have sometimes thought that Jeremy similarly did not get enough credit, so I was happy to see that he did get a lot of credit for his long program last week.

    My NBC station apparently is boycotting skating this year, so if anyone has a link to a particularly good video, it would be greatly appreciated.
  7. joyceloop

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    Just find this:)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbJDAF4CaKI
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    On NBC this weekend, Peter Carruthers and Terry Gannon called Daisuke's free skate the best skate of the season so far...I don't think they meant it was Daisuke's best skate, but the best long program from all the men this season...what do you guys think? I personally love Jeremy's much much more.
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  9. jlai

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    Well, this is a Jeremy thread so we need to gush about him without comparing him to other skaters who may be just as good. That said, Dai did land more jumps, so that would put him ahead for now.
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  12. aftershocks

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    Oh yes, I did see this on the tv broadcast Sunday (but was annoyed they didn't show Jeremy's second number in the white Mendel outfit).

    Definitely great music, skated to magnificently by the very fashionable-looking Jeremy wearing a Betsey Johnson creation.

    BTW, below is a Dai clip, but check out 1:98 - 2:26 ... To me, this season, these are the guys. Keep it going Dai and Jeremy!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsJ76QRDy0Q

    And here's a tribute to Jeremy with a track of M.Gaye's Sexual Healing:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxJqmveIiFE :)

    A Jeremy montage:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQaVWZ1dA-U

    Another montage tribute to Jeremy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs5x1_tmLck&feature=related
  13. Meredith

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    I can't compare Jeremy with anyone else. Neither can I compare Dai with anyone else. They have individual strengths and (I suppose) weaknesses. It's times like these I am really pleased that I don't have to decide between them!
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  14. Sylvia

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    Disson Skating has uploaded Abbott's untelevised performance from Fashion On Ice (thanks for the link, kwanette!) -- his swing short program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhI41RngGnY

    Abbott's reply via Twitter ;):
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  15. dinakt

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    Indeed:) Perhaps we could take two most artistically interesting male skaters competing today and have them arm-wrestle? After a certain point, brilliant is brilliant. Some would prefer one thing, some another.
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    Not arm wrestling, dinakt!! Duets, trios, quartets, you name it! Put them all together in a show of their own, self choreographed, with really, really good music. (Or, as I've told some of the PCF clubbers before, hire them all--and any other retired artistic skaters--for my own modern dance company when they retire and I am suddenly filthy rich.)
  17. dinakt

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    :swoon:
    Million times yes.
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    Thanks for the link Sylvia, and Kwanette!

    Awwww, Jeremy! That is one fun program, and he looked so sharp in his J Mendel. Looks like Jeremy was attempting to do most of the jumps from his competitive routine which isn't easy on that smaller sized rink. No matter -- I loved it -- love watching Jere-amazin! He's human indeed, and very special too. :)
  19. briancoogaert

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    I agree, and that's one thing I thought while watching it.
    I'm almost unable to say what jumps he landed or not after watching his performances this season (LP and Exhibition). That's how I love figure skating. :)
  20. lauravvv

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    Daisuke once told in an interview that he doesn't have the necessary artistic vision to choreograph for himself, although he can recognize good choreography when he sees it (a very free retelling of his already translated words, but that was the gist of it). Probably that has changed, though. As for the dance company - a nice idea :D, but I have to say that not all skaters are very good dancers (even the most artistic ones).
  21. dinakt

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    Though I am pretty sure Jeremy ( a big fan of contemporary Dance) and Stephane ( lots of party videos and photos serve as a great testament) are; Jonathan Cassar, for example, studies Dance ( possibly a Dance Major?), and I cannot imagine Takahashi not being able to bring the same tiger-like grace to the floor as he does to the ice:hat1: I'd rather see them all skating, though.
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    Yes, but party dancing is one thing, and modern dance is another. Ice dancers should be the best dancers among all figure skaters also on the floor, should they not? But I am currently watching a Russian dance show called 'Bolero', where figure skaters (including ice dancers Kostomarov, Staviski, Shabalin, Vanagas and Chernishev) are dancing with russian prima ballerinas (modern dance, sometimes a little balletic, but not real ballet). Well, I have to say, at the moment they look quite weak next to those ballerinas - not very bad, but still...
  23. maureenfarone

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    I was also thinking of Matt while watching Jeremy skate. Matt - particularly the last couple of seasons - had beautiful programs loaded with difficulty - which I just loved. He took me on the journey with him. I find Jeremy doing the same. I find Daisuke to be wonderful, but he is more outward - more of a showman - so it is just a strikes me a little different. But, saying that (and not very well) I do love both Jeremy and Dai's programs this year.
  24. Sylvia

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  25. lauravvv

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    Congratulations to Jeremy for his successful skate so far :). I am really glad for him. I read and opinion somewhere that Brezina deserved higher component marks than Abbott. I can't agree with that at all. Brezina's SP and it's choreography is good, but he's not a performer and interpreter like Abbott, and I think that his ss are also not quite on par with Jeremy's.

    I truly hope that Abbott can keep this up in his FS. True, it will be difficult to do because of Hanya's superior technical content (and, of course, Brezina and even Fernandez are still contenders), but not impossible if he skates clean. So I'll keep my fingers crossed for Jeremy.
  26. dinakt

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    As long as Jeremy keeps it together enough to be in top 4 and thus make the GPF, I'll be over the moon!
    That was a GREAT SP from him in Moscow. Finally after so many years the internationals judges give him PCS he deserves (and deserved for so long). May it continue!
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    Loved his SP!! And I can't wait to see his beautiful FS again. Even flawed as it was in CoC, it was gorgeous. Love his confidence this year.
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    I'm so happy for him, can't wait for the long tomorrow, it's one of my fav programs this season.
  29. judgejudy27

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    He often doesnt get the scores from the judges since he has let them down in the past. He was undermarked for over a year after the Olympic disaester. I think even the judges were pissed at him for that one (which followed his equal disaester at the 2009 Worlds) and were ready to force him into retirement. Now he is finally getting some of their respect and trust back, and if he continues to skate with reasonable consistency it will continue.
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    I only wish this applied to all skaters.
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    Yes, absolutely. :drama:
  32. aftershocks

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    ^^ So right! ITA!!!

    Go Jeremy! Feel the music ...
  33. jlai

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    Okay, now that GP is over, I'd like to say that Jeremy needs to rework its jump layout. All the combos are in the second half and when the first jump is messed up there's no room for him to tack on another triple toe anywhere. He's better off doing more combo in first half so when they don't happen you can try adding the combo again later.

    He needs the 3A-3t in the first half, at the very least. Sure, PCS is higher but at the expense of his TES. I haven't seen a single 3-3 combo in his free skate yet, and that's NOT GOOD.
  34. pani

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    WOW - what a LP! His SP is really great too, but this LP - i can watch it maybe all day long.
    Wish Jeremy show clean skating at Nationals - he need to skate it at WCh for sure.
  35. DickButtonFan

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    Uhh, my heart just sunk when I saw his hand all bloody. Hope it's alight :eek:. Such a beautiful program tho even with the mistakes, so excited he'll be in the gpf.
  36. ~tapdancer~

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    Agree. Hopefully Yuka and Jason and Jeremy can rework his FS some for the rest of the season. This amazing program deserves to blow the roof off at competitions and I hope Jeremy can really get it under his skates.
  37. BittyBug

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    Since IJS doesn't award any bonus for combos based on the difficulty of the first jump, he doesn't need a 3A/3T - he just needs a triple triple of any kind. Better to tack the 3T onto the back end of a more reliable jump for him.
  38. Sylvia

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    The program was definitely there for Jeremy, and he could have won. Good to see that he scored higher than anyone else in everything except technical. I wonder how he hurt his hand (maybe on the quad fall?). I thought the "bloodbath" was supposed to occur at Nationals. ;)

    I hope Yuka and Jason are able to work with Jeremy on what he needs to do with jump layout and de-stressing to skate this program to perfection. It is an unfinished masterpiece.

    Sending lots of support and encouragement Jeremy's way! :saint:
  40. skatesindreams

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    ^^^
    These are my wishes for him as well, aftershocks.