Jeremy Abbott withdraws from 4cc due to an injury

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by ChibiChibi, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

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    You need to Google how to spell laziness while you are at it. :rofl:
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  2. mjames

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    I wish someone would answer this because I can't understand it. After looking back on his record he never accomplished much to earn such special treatment.

    Thanks Sylvia. I knew there was a committee but somehow I thought they were federation officials from headquarters in Colorado who were impartial and working professionals in the sport.
  3. Sasha'sSpins

    Sasha'sSpins Well-Known Member

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    I'm a day late for this.

    My stomache just tightened up when I read 'Jeremy..hip injury'. :(

    Good luck to Jeremy, please recover completely before Worlds!

    I feel very badly for Armin-it's got to really hurt to be passed over like that.
  4. haribobo

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    Thanks for bringing this up. His FS was actually very strong, and he was just 2 points out of 3rd place in the FS. Ostensibly he could have been 3rd in the FS if he skated in the final group. So if you consider that Ricky skated 1st in the SP and had a total fluke of a disaster (maybe he's had problems in the SP before but never like that), and couple that with his strong international results over the last few years and quite decent results this year on the GP, it makes for a compelling case that the "real" Ricky showed up in the FS.

    I don't really have a strong feeling as to whether Richard or Armin deserves this spot- I think you can make good cases for both. I will say that Armin and Doug are not nearly as exciting as Richard- perhaps someday they can be but right now there is more work to be done on presentation and choreography to create an interesting and exciting free skate, IMO. I was critical of Ricky's FS earlier this season, but at Nationals I realized that in comparison to many others, he's still pretty far ahead of most of them.

    I think the pewter medal win is great for Armin, but still, this would be a good opportunity for Armin to examine what he needs to take him to the next level so the USFS AND international judges will want to look at him as a top contendor. His Avatar FS was very good and when skated well at last year's SA, he was marked well. I haven't seen him recapture that magic since that competition though.
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  5. Sasha'sSpins

    Sasha'sSpins Well-Known Member

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    I'm an American and I'm well aware that the British spell such words as color 'colour', etc. figurefan seems to be aware of it too with the comment 'but you could be British' to PeterG.

    Americentric bias on the board. It's unfortunate if that is how you see things here.

    PeterG's comment that Ricky sounds Hispanic is interesting. I've heard this nickname all of my life but never associated particularly with Hispanics (being Hispanic myself). It does bring to mind famous character's like Ricky Ricardo and the late tv/music star Ricky Nelson. :)
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  6. WildRose

    WildRose Well-Known Member

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    We spell it colour in Canada too.
  7. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    And in Australia. And in New Zealand. And in South Africa. And probably in all the ex-British colonies in Africa, and India, etc. etc.

    figurefan did begin by saying PeterG had spelled it wrongly. Well only to an American.

    And I'm not the first, and no doubt will not be the last, to comment on the americentric nature of the board - but it's not a big deal to me Sasha's Spins. I guess you missed the part where I put it in really small letters. Gosh I'd even go so far as to say some of my best friends are American :D

    Anyway enough of this. It's really not important. Feeling snarky this morning :p
  8. MacMadame

    MacMadame Internet Beyotch

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    Peter G is an American.

    As for the "americentric nature of the board", I think that's in the eye of the beholder. The board is owned and run by someone from the UK and has way more people from Canada and Europe than any other board I've been on no matter what the focus of the board is.
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  9. nlloyd

    nlloyd Active Member

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    I also found the title of this thread misleading. Jeremy Abbott's last name should be included. Every time I read it, I think it refers to Jeremy Ten, bronze medal winner at Canadians, who has just returned to competition from injury and is scheduled to participate at 4CC.
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  10. luenatic

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    He is? :eek:
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  11. agalisgv

    agalisgv Well-Known Member

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    Who knew Vancouver, BC had relocated to the US :shuffle:?
  12. MacMadame

    MacMadame Internet Beyotch

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    Really? I thought he was one of ours. That's okay. Canada can have him and his "wrong" spelling of colors. :D
  13. victoriaheidi

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    This thread, sadly, took a turn in a much less fun direction.
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  14. Japanfan

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    I look at it differently: all serious skating fans should know their abbreviations well so we can all save time googling five-syllable names and verifying correct spellings. :p

    Perhaps we could have a guide posted as to who initials refers to somewhere on the board. Plus, we need to do something about multiple same-initial pairs. For example, I still get confused sometimes when S&Z is used to refer Zoueva and _____ (I WILL PROBABLY SPELL HIS NAME WRONG), as my mind immediately thinks of Shen and Zhao.

    But really, there are enough letters in the alphabet that it isn't much of a problem.


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  15. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

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    I would guess that most elite skaters have a sore hip on their landing side. I'm hoping Jeremy's (that's Abbott for the thread Nazi's) dropping out of 4 Continents is a routine bid for rest and nothing more serious. I'm really looking forward to seeing him skate at Worlds. He's a skater whose choreography and interpretive skills continue to grow.
  16. taf2002

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    Whereas if we were still focusing on Jeremy's injury it would be a real hoot. :rolleyes:

    Ok tell me who I'm referring to when I say D&S, ice dancing team?

    Delobel/Shoenfelter?
    Domnina/Shabalin?
    Denkova/Staviyski?
  17. DaveRocks

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    :lol: This thread is just full of laughs!! :rofl:
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  18. shan

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    Lots of people say DelShoes, DomShabs, and DenStav. See, problem solved! :)
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  19. taf2002

    taf2002 Well-Known Member

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    I was answering Japanfan who implied that serious skating fans should know their abbreviations like V & T instead of having to write Maxim Trankov and Tatiana Volosozhar. So I was pointing out that some abbreviations are still not clear even to serious skating fans.
  20. Yazmeen

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    THIS. I have no issue with sending Dornbush, I think his Natl's SP was an aberration, not a sign of weakness. As for Armin, he has a lot of talent, but I agree here. During this year's long program, he looked as though he was ticking off the elements and not connecting with the music and audience like he did with that magical SA skate last year. He needs to find his mojo and that connection to really contend at the world level.
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  21. jlai

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    If you downplay the arguments against an athlete (say, Dornbush bombing in the short at a high-pressure qualifying event) and up the arguments in favor, you can basically argue for sending a large number of skaters in the men's. You can say you should send Armin for being 4th at nationals, or sending Razzano for a steady season, or Carriere for major improvement (plus having landed a quad at an international), and the arguments go on. In short, it becomes a game of which argument you choose to support which athlete.

    Which is why it's better to stick to recent competition results, with nationals bearing the most weight. None of the men below Miner at nationals medalled at the GP, given that, Armin is the next natural pick. Had they picked Armin, everyone would nod in agreement, and there would be no discussion.
  22. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Just to be clear, my issue is not with bad spellers or all of the wondrous, lovely, incredulous, charming Americans that I adore. :grope: :D My issue is with not using a skater's full name, specifically when that skaters shares a first or last name with another skater.

    :lol: And I thought you were Canadian (a Torontonian)!

    And to post at least something on topic in this thread, I hope Abbott is doing better soon. The thought the an injury is keeping him from being at 4CC (Four Continents Championships) is such bad news...please be healthy for Worlds!!!
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    I always enjoyed those types of mashed-together nicknames. :lol: The ones I don't like are the ones that hardly bear any resemblance to the person. I've read D10 for Dennis Ten and my first thought was, "the camera?"

    Anyway...

    My theory is that Abbott isn't even injured, and this is just an excuse to rest up for Worlds. 4CC is right on the heels of Nationals, competing and traveling is exhausting, even within your own country. Plus, Czisny isn't going (declined before the list was published or not selected at all?), so why separate Yuka and Jason from her for a week? I'm sure Abbott's priority is Worlds, and 4CC means nothing.

    None of this bothers me in the least. Send Dornbush, he's been stronger all season. It's too bad that his SP was so ridiculously bad that he couldn't pull up higher than 13th, because it does look rather silly to send someone who placed so low.
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  24. Sparks

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    Adam Rippon is going to 4CCs and he's in the Yuka/Jason camp. (?)
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    HisWeirness Yay, new board!

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    Also Haruka Imai.
  26. triple_toe

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    I think Rippon has more to gain by going to 4CCs while Jeremy and Alissa have more to lose, if that makes sense.

    ETA: Haruka Imai is with Yuka and Jason? When did that happen? I clearly haven't been paying attention.
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    My point is one or both of Yuka and Jason are going to 4CCs. Therefore I questioned vesperholly's theory.
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    I was enjoying the politiking discussion.
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    I acknowledged that problem.

    For these three we had the short form combined name solution: Delshoes
    Domshab and Denstav :)
  31. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    OK then ;) ... the following was posted today in the US Nationals forum in Kiss and Cry re. the 4CC assignments:
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  32. centerpt1

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    Abbott is (supposedly) going to Colorado Springs during 4CC anyway, to visit his folks and see a Physician at the Oly Training center.

    (hopefully not the same one that cleared Rachael Flatt to skate)

    So I'm thinking he probably has medical issues. Otherwise I'd think the whole thing was a ploy to rest Abbott, and give Ricky a chance at 4CC
  33. pinky166

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    His FS wasn't a disaster but I think the points and placement he got for it was a bit of a gift. I think the judges wanted to make sure he broke 200 points and pulled up significantly, so they gave him nearly 150 points for a FS which IMO deserved 140, maybe a little less. His FS was okay but certainly not his best. He maybe deserved to be above Armin in the FS but by a few points at most. Idk. I really like Ricky and I'm glad he's getting this chance but Armin really should be the one going. I mean, if they both went with Ross and Adam was not sent because he'd already gotten Worlds, I'd think that would be more fair than the current situation. Idk.

    I just feel gutted for Armin. I think there are cases where it's explainable to give a post-nats assignment to someone that did not skate well at nationals. For example, Josh Farris. Only 2 skaters in the senior men's field were age eligible and the other one was already being sent, the top junior men eligible had no 3a and scored lower than Josh overall despite skating less flawed programs, and Josh did very very well on the JGP this season, winning both his events, medaling at the JGPF, and putting up a score that's 22 on the SB list at a junior event. In that situation, it makes sense to send Josh to JW ahead of Phillip Warren despite his 16th place at nationals vs. Warren's 3rd place at junior nationals and clean FS. Josh is a favorite to win the JW title and Warren would be lucky to make the top 5 and made big improvements from his GP events at nationals, the USFS would have been dumb not to name Farris to the team.

    The Ricky-Armin situation is different though, because it's not like Dornbush dominated in his GP events. If he had even medaled at one event, then I think the assignment could be justified, but he didn't, he placed 4th and 6th and his scores were a bit meh. Sure, Armin did really bad at his GPs, but I don't think he should be passed over for having bad GP events because another skater who bombed at Nats and finished 9 spots below him had okay GP events. Just a dicey situation all around. Further, it's not like Ricky is likely to win or even medal at 4CC, I'd be very surprised if he did, so it's not as though that's why he's been sent. In any event, I hope he delivers and proves he was the right choice because otherwise the USFS is going to look very stupid in their decision.
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    So Czisny politely declined Four Cs but Abbott flat out lied to get out of going? I'm not buying that.
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    I can say as a recreational skater my right hip gets pretty sore from intense training, I can imagine it is much worse for a high level skater. Taking off to rest his hip is a legitimate excuse when he needs to train for Worlds. It doesn't mean he is lying. The U.S. has skaters ready to go to 4CC who do not need to train for Worlds and who welcome the opportunity to compete, so why not take off? Please don't wish a more serious injury on him, he's the best we've got.
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    According to Jason, Alissa was planning to go to 4CC. Unless those plans changed between when he was interviewed (post-free skate) and the team announcements, she was passed over for the event.
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    Whereas I'm petty enough to want USFS to look stupid (just like I am over Phaneuf vs LaCoste).
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  38. Sparks

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    Word around San Jose was that they changed their mind(s)...Alissa needs to train and rest. She did enough competitions this season.
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    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    The post you quoted is not mine. Did you delete pinky166's name and enter my name in her place? :confused:
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    Jeremy Ten's twitter says that Alissa said she didn't get selected for 4CCs.