Jeremy Abbott Uber Thread

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  1. Bournekraatzfan

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  2. skatesindreams

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    Thanks for these.
    Great, and fun to see their mutual respect and enjoyment.
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    Yeah, that was a detailed and great review Bournekraatzfan. It's great to know he's skating well and appreciated by fans all over the world. His two programs were of contrast and great skating.
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    Thanks, spikydurian. I forgot to take my little notebook with me, so I can't provide as many details as I would like. I hope we get more reviews of the shows out west.

    and I agree, he seems to have fans from all over the world.


    Here are some vids of the group numbers (thank you to marikat, pani, Shayii, and everyone else who posted some of these in the V&M thread):

    'The Four Stops':

    Hamilton

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2luApgqU_A


    "Rolling In the Deep":

    Halifax:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z89P96nlft4

    Toronto:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZC41ly8MTs&feature=endscreen

    Winnipeg (this is the most complete version):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2mM5IjQ7Zo&feature=player_embedded


    "Waiting For My Real Life to Begin"

    Victoria:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV0MVnUXpoY


    "Dog Days Are Over"

    Halifax:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2mM5IjQ7Zo&feature=player_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AkXbRk10jc&feature=autoplay&list=ULfe_NJaSwPwk&playnext=1

    Hamilton:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUWEyHVDI6w&feature=plcp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXw-h39y3QY&feature=plcp

    Toronto:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgZW8_D14rg
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  5. museksk8r

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    Wow, you've really got to love and appreciate how Japanese skating fans show so much enthusiasm, admiration, and respect towards skaters. No wonder so many skaters love appearing and performing there; they really know how to welcome these skaters and make them feel good! :) It's official! . . . Jeremy could not be more adorable, cute, and sweet; I just want to kiss and hug him and some other things that are best left unposted. :swoon::eek:
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  6. jl22aries

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    Jeremy blew my mind at the CSOI in Vancouver. His glide is spectacular and his ability to vary his speed to match the music. I was thrilled, and surprised, to see his SP in its entirety, including an amazing triple axel (in the corner near my seat no less). I hope to be able to see him live again in the future, because if there was any doubt what a special skater he is, there can be no denying it when you are in the stadium watching him fly.
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Re-posting from the SOI Canada thread in GSD:
    Fan cam video of Jeremy Abbott's "I Won't Give Up" (Jason Mraz) in Vancouver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMIeGKGpqdg

    Thanks for your comments, jl22aries and kwanfan1818!
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    i hope it's ok for me to ask a question about jeremy's long program music. i figured this is where the people most knowledgeable about jeremy's skating would hang out... :)

    i was very impressed with the music and choreography for jeremy's long program this season. but when i went searching for the music on the net, i found that the version on the net has lyrics--and the version jeremy uses doesn't. did jeremy have a band play a lyrics-free version of the piece especially for him, so that his long program music wouldn't violate the no-lyrics rule? or is there perhaps an official version of the piece that has no vocals? i would like to find the exact version jeremy used, so i can put it on my itune playlist.

    thanks in advance for your insights :)
  9. os168

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    I absolutely love Jeremy's FS program this year and can't wait to see how he evolve as an artistic skater next year hopefully with something even better and challenging!

    Jeremy did Muse Exogenesis: Symphony Part 3, and this is featured in Muse's Album "The Resistance".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BerVVDT7h40

    Provided you get permission from the record label, they should allow you to remove lyrics from the soundtrack using software and edit them for skating music. Though I am not sure if the music editor could have just take out the part without lyrics and repeat some parts for the 4 mins program since the lyric parts is only 1min 30sec of the music especially several parts are easily repetitive.
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    I thought (and I could be "misremembering") , that a guitar solo/other music was recorded and put in place of the vocals.

    This really could be an argument for vocal music in competition- I think the music is more powerful WITH the vocals than without.

    I loved the program, but I hope he moves on to another this coming season. He never skated it clean internationally, perhaps it was too ambitious to do it while he was also trying to up the tech content.
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  11. Triple Butz

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    Jeremy has his own personal edit, where he replaced the vocal with electric guitar. If you want that version, you'd probably have to contact Jeremy himself- you won't find it on itunes or anywhere else.
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    thank you os168 for the link and the info re: record labels and music use. very interesting!

    thank you Triple Butz and centerpt1 for the information about the recorded guitar replacing vocals in the version Jeremy used.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbT2P9n5Hsw
    since jeremy's music is not publicly available, i'm loving this no commentary version :)

    i would like to see jeremy skate to many different pieces of music, so if he chooses to move on to a different long program, i will be happy. if he chooses to keep this program because he feels it has still-unrealized potential, i would be happy with that as well.

    thanks again :)
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  13. Sylvia

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    The "Orange Team" of Spanish fans missed interviewing Jeremy at 2011 TEB in Paris but finally caught up with him at Worlds in Nice:
    "I hate that I have the best 'jump face'... It's just so horribly bad that I have to laugh!" :lol:
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    US Figure Skating has posted video montages from 2012 Nationals of all their national champions on their official YouTube channel -- here's Jeremy's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88uO3T-0Qcw

    Video of "I Won't Give Up" (Jason Mraz) filmed from a distance with a "guest appearance" from behind the curtain ;) about halfway through the performance (that's why the audience is laughing) at Detroit Skating Club this past Sunday 6/10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdMqyRhxxiY

    He's scheduled to perform at the "Skate for Hope" benefit show this Saturday -- link to the event thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83575
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  15. dinakt

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    I thought I'd bump the thread up.
    Jeremy will be performing in Japan in July, in "The Ice" with Mao Asada. Here's the cast:
    http://www.ctv.co.jp/event/the_ice/cast.html

    Does anybody here know anything new about his program plans?
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    Thanks for the link. ^^Haven't heard anything recently. Whether or not Jeremy keeps one of his programs from last season remains to be seen. Perhaps he has been listening to music and working on different ideas and hasn't yet settled on anything definitively. He's certainly been touring a lot as well, so I wonder if that means he will keep one of his programs and find the time to prepare something new for either a sp or fp before the summer ends. He has a wonderful new exhibition.

    Wishing Jeremy great success in the new season.

    ETA:

    Any vids available yet for Skate for Hope performances?
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    This vid almost captures what makes him so special and unique to watch when you see him live.

    smoothness that is almost otherworldly, even in steps and into/out of jumps

    power and speed that come from nowhere

    Yuka has done a wonderful job helping him to develop his show skating.
    This is not a jump out of your seats and cheer wildly exhibition number. I do like it, because it is a totally "Jeremy" number.

    I hope we get two new programs this season-though it would probably be smarter to keep one. Part of the fun with Jeremy is seeing what he comes up with every year.
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  19. aftershocks

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    Jeremy's new programs performed under show lights on bad ice... Love the youtube poster's comment: "Abbott is genius."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtWzcVMkbfE Spy sp sexy :cool:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HclDBc_ek2s Bring Him Home fp :encore:
    (not the full program he will perform during the season)

    Lots of great moments in these programs -- he's so smooth and effortless.


    :respec:



    BTW, did he have tattos on his hands and what was that on his fingers in the interview with Paul and Emily after his sp?
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    Oh, I love them both! Spy sp is all so different from what I thought it would be and it's great:)
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    I love his new programs. The LP seems easier than his previous programs (in term of transitions), but it was just a show. I can't wait to see them in competition !!!!
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    ^^ Yes, me too! His fp under show lights is abbreviated from what he will perform during the season.

    Could anyone make out what Jeremy was wearing on his hands during sp interview?
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    ^^ Oh, thanks, Marni. :) In the linked video, the color of the gloves did not show up against Jeremy's skin, so all I detected was the outline of the black trim on the gloves, which appeared to be a tatoo on his skin, but then his fingers seemed to be covered with something. Thanks again for the pics.
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    What a beautiful, beautiful skater is Jeremy.

    Seriously, where does he go from here? I love this guy and his talent so much. At this point, it seems Jeremy may need to decide if he really wants this for himself, and if he does try figuring out exactly what he needs to do to get over his enormous lack of focus daze when something goes wrong. He needs to stop the hemorrhaging of his confidence as well as the judges' lack of confidence in his tech skills under pressure. Just doing the work preparing for the season and skating beautifully and feeling ready and talking the talk without being able to back it up on competition ice is obviously not enough.

    I've heard enough of the "h" word too from fans. Jeremy needs to examine what is the root of the problem. Keep his coaches, but bring in someone who can actually dissect what's going on and help him make the necessary changes. It is an understatement to say this is not a good start to the season for Jeremy. I hope he and his team don't go there with trying to say all the right things and continuing with status quo. Please don't say he suffered an injury either. Throw out the excuses.

    1. You are not an "h"
    2. Do you really want to continue competing? Do you enjoy competing?
    3. If you do, find someone who can help you figure out the root of the problem
    4. Develop the mental strategies that are going to work for you
    5. If you are going to talk the talk, you must back it up in competition
    6. No excuses
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    Tweet(s) from Jeremy following his disastrous FS at Skate America:

    Having dealt with spinal compression on nerves that affect the legs, I'm amazed he was even able to do double jumps. It's like fire going down your leg(s).

    Sending prayers and good vibes that this isn't something serious and he'll be back to kickass form in no time.
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    ^^ When did the compression in his spine happen I wonder? Over time with the training? What's the remedy for that? I would just love to see Jeremy perform kickass clean programs consistently throughout a season, and build confidence and stature going forward. I really want to see that. The question is, what does Jeremy want?

    He's a great skater, the PCS marks show how good he is and that the judges respect his artistry. He has the jumps too, but whether unfortunate injury or bad timing or not a good jump layout, I hope he figures it out soon. Is it more than just compression on the nerves in his spine? I hope he doesn't downplay or ignore the mental aspects that he's got to work on too.
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    That's quite worrying.

    Given that an athlete's body is their bread and butter, injuries similar to that ended several tennis careers. I think Tracy Austin had to hang up her racquet because of ongoing sciatica.
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    Jeremy was having problems with his back after Nationals last season and that was the reason for his WD from the 4CC event in February. :( This sounds like a very serious problem and I really have to wonder how wise it is to continue on with the rigorous training and competing that is required of an Olympic level athlete. I fear the consequences his body will face from all the daily pounding. :wuzrobbed
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    I hope that his doctors can treat this problem effectively.
    Wishing him a complete recovery.
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    I wish he had left out Takahashi's name from his tweet last night.

    Abbott is quoted in the Golden Skate SA Men's FS recap article as follows:
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    If he can address his physical/medical issues, the rest may take care of itself.
    No matter how strong a competitor is; it is natural to "hold back" to protect the body from injury.
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    Oh, Jeremy, forget about your competitors, forget about your fans, forget about your loved ones, forget about everything and everyone and concentrate on what you want!

    You are one of the finest all-around athletes and artists in the sport of figure skating.

    Heal physically Jeremy, and find a different way of addressing the mental/ competitive pressures. Seek out additional information and additional professionals if you are truly motivated to CHANGE your competitive outcomes. Relaxation techniques and meditation (and perhaps yoga later on) may also help you both physically and mentally. No matter what you do or decide, or what transpires in the future, YOU are extraordinary! :saint:

    Sciatica:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001706/

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sciatica/DS00516

    http://www.medicinenet.com/sciatica/article.htm

    Competition nerves:

    https://www.competitivedge.com/staying-cool-and-calm-clutch

    http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/spo...d-nerves-from-getting-the-better-of-you-31994

    http://www.ironpsyche.com/#/over-thinking/4540868839

    http://www.get2theleague.com/how-to-calm-nerves-before-game/
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    They have great Physio/training support at DSC. If they can't keep him up and running, maybe it's time to retire. The mind and heart may say "fight" but the body can only be pushed so far. He's an old boy now, and hasn't he had back problems ever since he was a Jr?

    It's a shame he was never able to get that World Medal.

    I think he would have a lot to offer other skaters in some way, because he does have so much creativity and vision. He just may need to carry on from the other side of the boards.
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    Let's see whether treatment helps, before talking about retirement, please.
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    ^^ Yes, I agree skatesindreams. No need to start talking about Jeremy’s career in the past tense. Obviously, the judges appreciate his talent and will give him the marks if he goes out there and delivers consistently.

    In the ladies thread, a link to a Lifeskate interview was posted in which Susan (Lifeskate founder) jokingly commented: “I love it when strangers give me unsolicited advice.” :lol:

    However, there’s something about Jeremy’s skating that connects with me. I’m a fan and I’d like to provide encouragement and support. Maybe he’ll read this, or maybe someone who knows him might consider passing it on. I’m not a sports psychologist or an authority on any of this, but I’m hoping there’s something Jeremy might find helpful in the ideas and encouragement offered. Above all though, I think Jeremy must decide what he truly wants for himself, and then fight for it. Sift through the ideas and seek out additional professional help. Many sports psychology techniques are similar, but there might be different strategies that Jeremy hasn’t yet tried. Work with someone new if what he’s been working on so far re mental strategies is not proving to be entirely successful.

    Don’t overdo reading or thinking about all of this, but try something different. Maintaining the status quo and hoping things change, will not significantly change outcomes. Prayer helps, but taking decisive action is also necessary. Quit thinking about what his competitors have and what he doesn’t have. Find a way to get what he needs. If it’s not possible to have a personal trainer traveling with him, just get the proper physical therapy, exercise and mental preparation before competitions. Don’t lean on extraneous excuses. Stop verbalizing that “we” need to find out what’s missing. Of course he needs experts to assist and provide tips and strategies, but ultimately the answers reside within him.

    Again, does Jeremy enjoy competing, and does he truly want to compete as an eligible skater, or is he doing it to please someone else, or because he thinks he has to or because he’s done it for so long and his family have devoted so much time, money and energy in his career. If he doesn’t enjoy competing and if he doesn’t really want to compete, those other reasons are not the best reasons to continue. I don’t want Jeremy to stop competing eligibly, but what I want for him or what any fan wants for him, or what his family and coaches want for him matters not and makes no difference at all. The only thing that matters is what Jeremy wants and what he’s willing to do to get what he wants.

    Maybe none of what I’ve said is relevant for Jeremy. But from his comments, I do think he needs to consider what he wants and realize that he has control over his thoughts. He said, “Maybe it’s my head.” Again, stop hypothesizing and realize that a lot of distracting chatter is always going on inside everyone’s head. But there are ways and techniques to learn how to stop negative thoughts and quiet distracting thoughts. The first step may be in realizing that we are not our personalities and we are not our egos. Our personalities are what we present to the world, and our egos are ignorant three-year-olds who love drama and conflict. The real I is inside of each one of us, and it is not a simple matter to access that I, which is our true individual essence which guides us without judgment or attachment of any kind. We need to learn how to be in tune with who we are, and get out of our own way.

    Don’t identify with the disappointment and the embarrassment and the pain, Jeremy. Decide what you want. Access your inner I (through meditational practices). Seek expert help to find what is going to work for you as a mental strategy in competition. But first you have to know what YOU want. There are no easy answers and no easy decisions. But you do have control over yourself, your thoughts, your decisions, your actions and your reactions.

    In the fell clutch of circumstance …
    My head is bloody, but unbowed.

    Beyond this place of wrath and tears …
    the menace of the years
    Finds, and shall find me, unafraid …

    I am the master of my fate;
    I am the captain of my soul.


    Invictus – William Ernest Henley


    Read this article on understanding focus in sports. Do you have an internal focus style or an external focus style, Jeremy?

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201007/sports-understanding-focus-in-sports
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    Have there been any updates on Jeremy's condition?
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    I like Jeremy's SP.

    I'm not sure about his curve entry into the 4t. It was underrotated in both the SP and LP, and the miss seemed worst than when he did it from the straight entrance. I wonder what is his success rate with this new entrance during practices.
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    ^^ Jeremy seemed to have mastered the 4t somewhat with the straight entrance last season (eventually successful on GP and at Nats). Possibly he changed to the curve entry due to the requirements of his choreography?

    I haven't heard anything new re Jeremy's compressed spine injury. Has he tweeted anything more regarding it?
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    I wonder about the same thing. More often than not, I thought he just didn't have enough speed going into it, but what do I know about quads? :)