Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Vash01, Aug 29, 2011.
And you don't see that has pushing... well, alrighty then.
If you like a movie and you "strongly recommend it" to others, does it mean you are "pushing" them to see it?
This is the comment that made me feel as though the poster was trying to guilt trip everyone in this thread . . . or everyone in the world . . . into reading the book.
There's a lot of suffering and injustice in the world. We each pick and choose where to invest our emotional capital (or actual time, labor, and money) in acknowledging the horrors, supporting the survivors, and trying to make things better. Not everyone is going to choose reading a book they find disturbing as their top priority.
Did I quote where he "strongly recommended" it? No, I quoted the little guilt trip of "it's your loss." THAT is pushing.
I'm just squeamish and fussy about my choice of reading materials. I hated the Helen Keller and Anne Frank books every time we had to read them for school. They were intended to be inspirational, but I found their stories sad and depressing, as a grade-school child through high school and college. Also hate stories about wars and battles, murders, and most non-fiction. (Told you I was picky) I'd choose a sci fi, fantasy or romance novel any day...or any book on figure skating, of course.
I was quoting NJL ("strongly recommended")- I don't see that as pushing.
Again, nobody is forcing you to read the book. If you are not interested, so be it. No need to complain about people that want to talk about the book.
Again, she wasn't complaining that people wanted to talk about the book, she felt that several people were "pushing" others to read it who stated that they did not want to do so. I read those posts the same way. As well-intentioned as they may have been, they weren't "recommendations," one was an outright guilt-trip.
I really admire her also, but I, too, couldn't read the book. The excerpts were hard enough to read. I have so little free time once after tending to my son and getting chores done, that I really prefer light reading when I do have the time. I probably wouldn't sleep a wink if I read the full book--serious books like that haunt me. Reading about kidnapping and torture is just a horrifying topic and freaks me out.
I hope that writing this book was (a) theraputic for Ms. Dugard and that (b) she makes a lot of money and that she can take care of her girls needs for the rest of their lives. No amount of money can make up for what she went through but I hope she will be comfortable and the bastard rots in heII.
I believe that Jaycee has stated that the book has helped her.
The State of California awarded Jaycee $20,000,000 in compensation in July of 2010 for it's errors in investigating her abduction and, especially, in Garrido's various parole officers, he was on parole for a 50 year sentence for abduction & rape, not thoroughly investigating his property in over 60 visits there.
Hopefully, the ongoing therapy she's getting, along with the availability of sufficient $$$ to keep her going & taking care of her children, and, I suspect, her extended family, will provide her with all she needs to recover from this ordeal. Having watched Diane Sawyer's extended interview with her, which convinced me I should read the book, BTW, I feel she'll do well. In that extended conversation you meet a delightfully happy soul that hates no one, considers herself blessed and seems to greet each day as an adventure to be embraced and devoured. Fantastic young woman. She deserves every good thing that life can now bring her.
Mr Garrido has a prison sentence of several hundred years to life. From what I can gather he's kept in the same unit as Charles Manson, because if either of them is ever let into the prison's general population they'd be soon killed by some con out to increase his street cred inside. Consequently, he spends 23 hours a day locked in a small room. He'll spend whatever time he has left there. If this is true I find it very appropriate & pleasing. He pretty much has a life like he forced on Jaycee. He deserves it.
She is not making money from the sales of the book; she is donating it to charity. However, as NJL wrote, she received 20 mill compensation for the gross errors of the officers. Although no amount of money can undo what she went through, at least she is happy and comfortable with her loved ones now.
Which, as has been pointed out, I never complained about.
I actually am quite happy for people to talk about the book. That's one way I decide if I want to read a book and why I came into this thread to begin with.
Then why do you even bother to come to this thread if you have no interested in reading her book? They weren't pushing others to read it. The poster said "You can do it" because 3-4 posters said they were "interested in reading" but couldn't handle it. That's all. They weren't pushing this book to anyone who WASN'T INTERESTED in this book.
Just to be clear, SOME of the book's proceeds go to the charity. I hadn't read that ALL of the proceeds would be donated, so I would expect her to make some money from the sales.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you. She had a lot of life stolen from her and $20k isn't much when you have two kids to care for.
She got 20 million.....$20,000,000....not $20K....$20,000. I agree that 20K isn't much. OTOH, $20,000,000 should be sufficient for almost anything she & her children may need in this lifetime...
Thank you. I thought I had read million in an article about the sentencings, but then others posted the $20k number, so I figured I had read it wrong initially. Still, the book proceeds are only partially going towards the charity.
Fair enough. We can agree she's in pretty good shape as far as $$$$$ is concerned....
Considering the gross negligence of the officers and what it cost her in terms of her life (18 years of hell- living with a criminal who abused and raped her, not seeing her family, living in abominal conditions, no schooling, not even using her real name, and so on), there is no way $20K would have been enough to settle. It has to be 20 million.
I find this ironic given that (a) you are telling me that my interpretation of what people are saying in this thread is incorrect yet in the post RIGHT ABOVE yours I said:
Thus (b) showing your reading comprehension is a bit lacking.
You are sure taking a looooong time to decide, if you came to this thread to decide whether the book is worth reading. Actually one of your first posts said you had no interest at all in reading this book, so your mind was already made up. You are posting a lot on a thread that you have no interest in.
So? The thread is interesting...
Or it was interesting until you started the ad hominem attacks.
Can you two take it to PM so people can discuss Ms. Dugard's book?
There is at least one other book about this crime available through Amazon: Lost and Found: The True Story of Jaycee Lee Dugard and the Abduction... by John Glatt, a writer that specializes in writing about crimes. It was published in Sept 2010, Jaycee's book was published in July 2011, consequently it does not cover as much after her release as her book does.
However, it gives you a very good rundown on her abductor & his wife and their reason for committing the kidnapping and all that followed. There are interesting insights into her life in captivity other than the sexual torment she endured, it is mentioned but not described, a very good rundown on how & why the Police at UC Berkley were so interested in the 2 young girls Garrido had with him on his visits there, - for one thing their style of dress was likened to 'Little House on The Prairie' - and how his probation officer, acting on the information the police officer from UC Berkley had given him along with Garrido's bizarre entrance to the probation office while he was talking to her finally forced him to investigate exactly what was going on. Considering that the Epilogue to 'Lost & Found' states that Jaycee had told investigators after her release that parole agents had actually spoken to her and her oldest daughter during their captivity but did nothing then, it was about time.
If I were to recommend a sequence for reading the 2 books I'd say read Lost and Found first, then Jaycee's A Stolen Life. One gives you valuable background that is useful while reading the other. You could follow up both books with Jaycee's interview with Diane Sawyer. That will give you a good look at one of the most remarkable people ever and actually bring considerable closure to the reader.
ETA: The Diane Sawyer interview:
I'd forgotten that this might be a bit too strong for some folks. The early part of the conversation does deal with the abduction & early days of captivity. It also verifies the claim made that she actually did speak with parole officers during her captivity.
The entire interview, advertisements and all, runs for 85 minutes.
Excuse me, but I am the one that started this thread with the intention of discussing this book.
And? You are also doing your part to derail the discussion of the book. Still.
On one of Jaycee's lists of things she'd like to do that she wrote in the journal she kept during her captivity, the same one where she listed 'ride a hot-air balloon' and 'learn to drive', if memory serves, she also listed 'write a best seller'. While leafing through yesterday's Miami Herald I came across the latest New York Times list of Best sellers. Number 2 on the list of non-fiction hardcover books was A Stolen Life by Jaycee Dugard. One more item to cross off of the list, Jaycee. Well done....
I assume she has a drivers license by now (another one to check off). We take it for granted, but it must mean so much to her!
Yes, she does. The reason I mentioned the balloon & the drivers license is I knew they were 2 things she'd already done.
She'd mentioned the drivers license in both the book & the interview with Diane Sawyer - her younger sister taught her how to drive - and the Diane Sawyer interview ended with Jaycee & her mother drifting over the landscape in a hot air balloon. The person that thought she had no future when she wrote the list doing one of the more frivolous things on it just because she wanted to with the person that was #1 on the list - 'see mom'. How many more would she accomplish in her future?
Since the ride in a hot-air balloon was also mentioned in the interview it made for a very nice ending to it.
Off topic, but it is about Jaycee. She's is suing the US govt over their mismanagement of Garrido for the years he was under their parole supervision.
If this ever gets to trial & she actually wins all proceeds will go to her JAYC Foundation.
I've looked at several places that have reported this lawsuit. More than a few posts in the comments section are strongly against it. She already got $20 mil from the State of California & that should be enough, it's wrong because the taxpayer will get stuck paying any award, she shouldn't get anything because she never tried to escape, etc.
I feel that the suit should be allowed. Even of she gets nothing financial out of it she gets to let the feds know that their mistakes cost a young girl 18 years of her life. Maybe it's time to rethink how they do parole from now on. They certainly failed Jaycee, both at the Federal & State level.
NJL (...and A Stolen Life is still on the best seller list, but has gone down a bit...)
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