Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Seerek, Jan 7, 2010.
Is NBC moving Jay Leno back to 11:30?
Wow, that was fast...
That's just bullshit. Conan is 10x funnier than Jay has ever been.
This was a bad idea from the start, and it's no surprise it's not working. It was a move done by NBC because it filled a lot of holes in their lineup, and because it was cheap. So now they have more problems on their hands than they solved.
Sounds like one hot mess!
Johnny Carson, as you know... or maybe you don't know, maybe you don't care......
I like both Jay and Conan, but I'm not going to watch whoever is on later, at least not during the school year...
Conan may be funnier (agreed), but I believe his ratings are no where near Jay's. I believe Jay regularly beat Dave Letterman, too. Who is also way funnier.
Well, it's a mess as it is. However, Conan will probably get mad and quit if Jay is given the 11:30 back. However, Conan is a lesser personality, so he will be bumped back, regardless of whether or not we like him better. Personally, I'm with Dave.
Leno is old-school. Conan will attract the younger audiences. I think Conan is a better investment long term.
I like Conan way better than Jay as well. Conan isn't as good at 11:30 as he was at 12:30, but still funnier than Jay, IMO. I've always found Jay annoying and he goes for the most obvious jokes and repeats them over and over again.
And that's why Jay is more popular with the general audience, I'd bet.
Not that it's necessarily a elitism thing. The day is long, and laughs shouldn't be hard to come by at the end of it.
Craig Ferguson is the best of all of them.
As I recall, Leno had a very bumpy first season too...Letterman beat him all the time back then.
Can't stand Leno, love Conan, and I think it would be awful if this happened.
So, Leno FAILS at 10 and affiliates bitch and moan so Conan is the one who loses out? I just don't understand. Leno is the king of mediocrity. BOOO.
(Just to expand on my earlier post).
Letterman had higher ratings at first. Leno substituted on the Tonight Show a million times before the gig was his, so viewers weren't as fascinated with Leno as a result. A few months into it (1993?), it settled into the pattern that Leno usually got higher ratings (he's in L.A., so his show gets the superstars first) but Letterman had a younger audience (the demographic age advertisers lurve). I believe Letterman was able to sell advertising time at a higher rate as a result.
Which is why NBC decided to keep O'Brien under contract....not lose him to another network..and decided who would replace Leno almost a decade before it happened .
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I find the talk/comedy shows on cable tv more interesting, anyway.
Conan is more popular with younger audiences, there are many other edgier late night shows on cable for that timeframe. I believe that the 11:30 ET or 10:30 CST is a slightly older population who either turn to Letterman or CNN for late night TV since Leno left late night. Who will probably tune back in with Leno at that time.
Conan repeats jokes and banter too, just is more insulting and bitter about it. And there is usually nothing funny about it.
Personally, I prefer Chelsea Lately, she is edgy, funny and brings in others to help her.
I'm one who prefers Leno, but to be honest I don't watch him at the 10 p.m. slot. I'm usually watching something else or busy so I forget that he is on. I will sometimes be flipping channels and find him on at that time. However, I don't set out to watch him then like I did at 11:30.
I've never liked Conan, who I just don't appreciate. I know there are those who do though.
Maybe it's a personal thing, but I tried to watch Conan's monologue. Just couldn't get into it. Same with Ferguson. But I do love their talk with guests. Gotta give Carson and McMahon credit when imitations of them have become common stock among comedians. Their banter is a trademark! "How __ is it?" "It was so __..."
Heck yeah! Even my parents think he's hilarious! What I like about Craig and Conan is how random they are.. I'm a huge fan of random humour. Conan reminds me of my best guy friend from highschool.. same sense of humour.
NBC confirms: Jay out at 10 p.m. slot beginning February 12
The most likely scenario is putting Jay at 12:05 a.m. (after the Olympics are over) and Conan starting at 12:35, but it's not yet confirmed.
Everybody keeps talking about how this affects Conan. But what about Jimmy Fallon? Will Jimmy be unemployed because of Leno?
Depends on what they do with Conan. I think people care more about Conan because he has been in place longer and should be treated as a valuable property by NBC - it will be quite a slam to him to put him back as 12:35am IMO. Jimmy Fallon's only been on the job for a few months, and I haven't heard anything about his show's ratings - only that it's so-so entertainment. I don't think it would have much impact to replace Jimmy Fallon - except to Fallon himself, of course.
If they're really looking to kick O'Brien back to 12:35, I hope he bolts for another network. That's really shady.
ITA. For some reason that I can't explain, his yodeling shark puppet makes me laugh so hard I actually disturb the neighbors.
And ITA. I start laughing with anticipation when he takes the stage. There's something about him I can't put into words.
Per this, the plan is to keep Leno, O'Brien and Fallon, only giving Leno a half hour (just a monologue?) and moving O'Brien and Fallon 30 minutes later for each. I still think Conan would be smart to shop around and see if another network will give him a better 11:30pm deal.
I thought this was interesting:
Doesn't look like they're asking Fallon's opinion on it - which makes sense given his newness in the talk show game.
I've never been able to tolerate Conan - reminds me of too many frat boys I've known. I much prefer Jay, but always have found other channels to watch at 10pm. I will be happy to see him back where he rightfully belongs.
My opinion, the original switch was a "New Coke" moment. No one wanted it or needed it. I too, feel sorry for Jimmy Fallon, not that I'm up watching him, as he's proabably going to be the sacrificial lamb.
It's unfortunate that they feel the need to "demote" Jay to monologue-only.
He handles guests better than any of the others.
NBC should admit that this was a hare-brained idea; and return to the old-schedule, with generous "incentives", if necessary.
It is ridiculous that they don't seem to have had a "contingency plan" in place to address the possible failure of the "grand experiment".
I actually think Fallon's new show is a better fit for 10:30 than Conan. Visually it's just a much brighter show. Conan's set is too blue and too dark and just feel's like late night. If I were Conan I'd just retire from late night and go back to writing or look into other opportunities if they tried to shove my show back a half hour.
Jay could retire from television tomorrow and I wouldn't miss him. I wouldn't even notice his absence.
Well, they're saying the plan is for Jay's 35 at 11:30, Conan an hour at midnight, and then Fallon because that is the path of least resistance, fewer lawsuits. We'll see where all of this falls when the dust settles. The shame of it is that they want everyone to agree to the switch right away, when Conan and Fallon should be allowed time to shop around.
I want to thank NBC for this.
This just sucks - Leno is the one who made noise about retiring. Plans were made, Conan was named successor, and then Leno changes his mind? Wah wah...he should have stuck to retiring and doing something else.
Sorry, but this sucks for Conan and I wouldn't blame him if he's pissed. If he jumps ship, so do I.
Not defending Leno or NBC at all, but something had to be done to satisfy the affiliates; they count on a big audience for their 11 p.m. newscasts and something had to be done. I'm surprised the "experiment" lasted this long, frankly.
The good news is that NBC is calling for more scripted dramas/comedies/dramedies. Which hopefully, it they are good and are successes, becomes a trend. So we will see fewer stupid reality shows and lame talk shows.
I'm just happy that Leno is no longer clogging up prime time.
Craig Fergusson is the best, imho. He even had a hilarious clip talking about the whole situation, culminating with "but we were the worst at the same time, every day of the week." Love him, and hope he moves on to bigger and better things in the future.
Conan would be great on Comedy, I bet. When he, Colbert and Stewart did their writers' strike bit, I was impressed. It seemed to fit. He could be the non-political hour.
I agree 100%. The promising Southland was bumped from the network to make room for Jay. I was suddenly glad none of my favourite shows were on NBC. What happened to the peacock? Didn't they rule evening television once upon a time? Wasn't Friends on here? Wasn't it a slightly edgy, more mature option to Disney's ABC?
I've never heard Conan likened to a frat boy. I wish I'd gone to your post secondary institution, then, as the frat boys I've known weren't that clever. But it does show that Conan's not the general audience pleaser NBC hoped he'd be, which I'm not too surprised about.
I thought TNT picked up Southland. I hope so, 'cause I lurve Regina King; she deserves a good show.
I have to agree with this post. Jay's monologue is good, but so are his interviews.
IMO, NBC is trying to "have it's cake and eat it too"! So if Conan could not deliver the ratings they needed, then just let him go (and pay the contract penalty) or put him back in his old slot (and pay the contract penalty).
This sounds like one of those ridiculous comprimises where trying to make everyone happy and actually no one is happy. I doubt Jay will be happy just doing monologues, I doubt Conan wants to start later, and the public ratings support Jay more than Conan, so changing him to monologue only is not likely to make them happy either. Sounds like everyone loses. JMO.
It's really interesting seeing the various reactions from different internet-scapes. All of the younger generation-based (like my age and younger) forums and blogs I've seen are all, "Bump Leno! Keep Conan!" while it's completely the opposite for older-skewing places.
Now if only they could figure out a good time slot to take advantage of that...
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