Jason Brown's US Nationals senior debut - opinions/constructive comments?

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I'm glad that Japanese TV (JSports Plus) bought the rights to televise 2011 US Nationals in Japan -- link to a video of Jason Brown's Senior FS from their broadcast:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFVz7WJgkK0

    Your thoughts? (Please include in your post if this is your first time seeing this young skater or when you first saw him skate. :))

    ETA video link to Brown's international debut -- his Junior FS to the "Pas de Deux" from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite at Gardena Spring Trophy in Italy (April 2010): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6P-EycfmS0
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  2. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    He was freaking fantastic! Love his style, love his transitions, love the height and flow on his jumps, love his musicality; I hope he ages well, I hope he doesn't lose any of the above if he adds a 3A or quad to his arsenal. Really a beautiful, wonderful skater!

    (Jason and Cassar for Sochi for me!)
  3. merrywidow

    merrywidow Well-Known Member

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    I'm very high on him & his talent. I first watched some of his programs on YouTube in December & thought to myself, "Wow! All he needs is a triple axle & a quad & he'll be a contender at Worlds." I'm just amazed at the talented teens we have in the men's discipline. The next few years will be an exciting time to follow them & their progressions. (No failures allowed! LOL!)
  4. floskate

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    I first saw him in a video of JGP Courcheval. Liked what I saw but it was a tiny internet feed so it didn't wow me. Then I saw his score in the US Nats Mens LP pbp thread and thought I had to see that 'cos I knew he didn't have a triple axel so that is one HUUUUGE score without the big tricks.

    I absolutely love both the SP and LP. He never stops moving from the first second to the last but it's all done so cohesively. His programs are very well choreographed and he's soooo musical he really knows how to make them work and not just go through the motions. Wonderful and inventive spinner too; I hope he can hang on to his flexibility as he matures. Add in the wonderful flow, good edge work, wonderful knees and you have one rather :kickass: skater already!!

    Of course he needs a triple axel to get out of Nationals and a quad to make it to the very top but I think he has the talent to do it. I also love the fact that he adores his coach and isn't going anywhere without her despite pressures from elsewhere in the sport to move to a 'bigger name'. If it worked for Brian and Linda there's no reason it can't work for Jason and Kori.

    What's so great was watching the NBC feed and seeing one great skate after another - Rippon, Dornbush, Mahbanoozadeh, Messing, Miner - then going back and finding there was another guy who actually skated as well as - if not better than - all of them. It's shocking that NBC didn't show him but at the same time another year under the radar of the general public isn't necessarily a bad thing. When he has a triple axel consistently landed in his programs is when you really want to make your media splash. But it doesn't hurt that the judges are already recognising his prodigious talent and giving him the marks he deserves, although I think his PCS actually should have been even higher again!

    So have I gushed enough? No? Ok gush gush gush some more :cheer: :cheer2: :cheer: :cheer2:
  5. Cheylana

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    Floskate, I don't think there is such as thing as too much gushing for Jason Brown! :)

    He gave us all chills!!! Everyone in the arena went bonkers, and I overheard so many people gushing about him after the competition was done. (I just hope people aren't going to pressure him to cut off his ponytail... it might give him special strength, like Samson! :))

    Wishing him the best at Junior Worlds!
  6. AYS

    AYS Cruder than you thought

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    My constructive comment is for the judges: give him the PCS he deserves, esp. in the TR score. There were great connecting moves everywhere in that lp!
  7. Nan

    Nan Just me

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    Soooooo much to like about Jason, but I think this is what caught my eye first. His moves are so smooth and his landings so solid. He never made me "worry" about any of his moves or jumps.

    I think this might be the one I've been waiting for. :D
  8. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    I love him. I had never heard of him until the first men's practice and he blew me away. When I saw that this "little kid" was going to skate to ND, I :rolleyes:..Silly me..He owned that music in every practice. How could he not get a standing "O" in a practice session with a clean run-through...twice? I wept.

    After the first practice I went out for a ciggie and I saw the coach putting things into an SUV in front of the practice arena. I complimented his skating to her and she said into the car.."Jason, Come out here. You have a fan here." He was darling. It was drizzling..I said to him.."Get back in the car. I don't want to be a career ender." I saw him a few other times in the concourse and each time he gave a chipper greeting. One of the greats of the sport predicted that he was one to watch...she was right.
  9. Helenista

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    I have been watching him for a couple of years. It was great to see that performance at Nats and I think we're going to see a lot more of him in the future. He's really got "it."
  10. briancoogaert

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    I've just discovered him at US Nats.
    He is amazing. I love his flow, spins, steps...not so much his style, but he is young.
    And he gives everything, that's really entertaining !
    He and his coach in the KnC were so lovely !
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  11. julieann

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    I though he was great! So many people were standing up before he was even finished, that rarely even happens at Worlds; By the end, I don't think anyone was in their seats!!!

    I can't wait to see more of him. :) :rollin:
  12. essence_of_soy

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    I remember seeing Brown and Farris two years ago place 1 - 2 in men's NOVICE at U.S. Nationals and thinking, ooooh, here's some talent to look out for.

    Was absolutely gob-smacked to see the skater he has become in two years. Brown's program is a keeper and one I have watched about half a dozen times now.

    Shocking to think this 16 year old newbie skates like a seasoned veteran.
  13. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Actually, Brown placed 3rd as a novice in 2009 (behind novice champion Farris and silver medalist Steven Evans). Link to his USFS/IN bio: http://www.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=100826&mode=I

    I've added a video link to my original post of Brown's international debut in April 2010. It doesn't come up in a youtube search because his name isn't in the title and it's misspelled in the description. ;)

    ETA the following comments about Brown's Nationals FS that were posted in another thread:
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  14. essence_of_soy

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    3rd!! My bad. But that makes this result at the senior level even MORE impressive. Go Jason.
  15. manleywoman

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    About five years ago Jason and I took our Junior Moves test on the same session, so he'd been practicing at my rink a lot. he was just getting the double Axel then. He was TINY and always a nice kid and super hard worker.
  16. skatesindreams

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    I think he surprised himself!
    May this be the first of many "skates of a lifetime" for Jason.
    I'm delighted to "gush", along with the rest of you.
  17. BigB08822

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    BY FAR my favorite on the men's side. He was a total throwback to the days before COP because he made everything flow seamlessly together! I didn't care if he did a 3axel or not because what he did do he did very very well. I could watch his program all day long. I have a feeling he is a big fan of Johnny Weir and Michelle Kwan. If he gets a 3axel then he could really challenge the best next year at Nationals.
  18. ryanbfan

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    Thought I'd share one of my Jason videos - him at the Galleria skating in our show this past December: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf2uQMOhIeg

    He is very impressive, he projects to the audience (his movements are sharp, solid, and he makes it so people even high up in the arena can see them) and he has great speed.
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  20. Aussie Willy

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    I had never heard of this guy until the discussion on the mens thread so I had to have a look. From the US Nats FS video on youtube I was blown away. He covered all the bases from a PCS aspect and I would have been in the 8s. I wonder if the round table discussion for the judges after the US mens might have brought that up. A judge could have certainly been justified in giving those kinds of marks. And not one PCS was a weakness. The program was loaded with transitions which worked choreographically and the music was wonderfully interpreted. As for skating skills, he used both directions, had speed and flow and exceptional balance. He used his whole body. You never felt on edge watching him. And for a boy he has lovely arms.

    I would much rather watch a kid like that all day than Bradley who was the eventual winner.
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  21. jlai

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    I have loved Jason since early last season. That said, considering how many times my heart is broken by a promising junior, I dare not tempt skategod with any gushing until he actually medals at junior world or makes it to the grand prix circuit.

    ETA: constructive feedback: I hope he will not lose his fun side as he goes senior and does the harder jumps. I loved his short last season, but I kinda thought he became somewhat more conventional with his recent long program choices and choreography. (Hey, you asked for constructive. :) )
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  22. Taso

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    First, I want to say I was blown away by thatfootwork into triple flip/double axel/twizzles/footwork sequence. Seriously, I can't even believe I saw that! His back-cross sit spin is incredible, too. My one piece of constructive criticism - take out the lame David Wilson facestroking. I feel like skaters use it to try and express sincerity or something, and it always looks really insincere. And more importantly, he doesn't need it.
  23. ChelleC

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    This was my first time watching Jason Brown. I must say I have quickly become a fan. I am almost never moved to tears by skating, but this has moved me to tears. Such a wonderful performance!

    Looking forward to seeing more of his skating in the future.
  24. PUNKPRINCESS

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    He is ridiculously good and seems like a nice kid. PCS's were lower than they should have been. Hardly noticed the lack of 3A in his LP.
  25. ~tapdancer~

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    My first time seeing him skate, live at Nationals! I was blown away, jumped out of my seat to applaud along with everyone else! He was spectacular. I didn't expect to see such an amazing skate from him but he and Richard Dornbush will be my favorite memories of the men's free at nationals this year.
  26. Ziggy

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    Oh I didn't notice there is a thread about him.

    He is amazing.

    Definitely one of the most interesting US skaters.

    Gorgeous basic skating and very impressive connecting movements in his programs. He moves over the ice with beautiful flow.

    Lines could improve. He makes a lot of effort presenting his program and he is very expressive with his arms but the way he holds them is a little messy. They aren't extended properly.

    We can dream.
  27. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Thanks for the constructive comments in between the mainly gushing ones so far! ;)

    I'm reposting and replying to the following 4 Jason Brown posts (originally posted in the Zakrajsek thread) here:
    Good question -- does anyone know if Boitano mentioned anything in past interviews or in his book?

    According to reliable hearsay info, Rohene Ward helped Brown get his 3Lz and 3F more consistent in the summer of 2009 prior to the Broadmoor Open that June when Brown's coach, Kori Ade, took some time off to get married.

    Yes, and I often am reminded of some :cool: "Rohenesque" moves and spin positions in Brown's skating. :)

    ETA:
    Yes, 2A and all the triples except for 3F in his reverse direction (clockwise).
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  28. skatemommy

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    Jason has been this solid and spot on since Pre-Juv. Down to earth, very sweet demeanor, just keeps getting better and better. Definately not a flash in the pan, he will be here for years to come.
  29. tlk

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    I first saw him at nationals in 2010 winning the junior. Very impressed! Can't wait to see more in the future!
  30. hirshey girl

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    Regarding Brian Boitano and coaches, I went back and looked at "Inside Edge".
    The book quotes Leaver as saying that she took Brian to training camps run by some of the top names in coaching so it's conceivable that one of these coaches helped him get the triple axel. The only names mentioned in the book were Gailhaughet (helped with figures), Nicks and the Scotvolds who Boitano worked with during the summers (1984-1987). As for Jason, loved him!!! Could easily become an uber, but trying to show some restraint. ;) Looking forward to watching him in the future.
  31. Ozzisk8tr

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    Add me to the list of new fans. This was the first time I'd seen him and was totally blown away. What gorgeous basics, and the flow out of those landings is amazing. He really seems like a sweet kid from the impression after the skate with his absolutely stunning coach. I can't wait to see this boy develop. Oh, also very impressed with the way mens skating in America is developing.
  32. pinky166

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    I really like Jason and think he has loads of potential. You really can't deny his similarities to Evan Lysacek though, I noticed it particularly in the great flexible spins, but they also jump and use their arms similarly. But it seems like Evan is his idol, so I think it's kinda cute he wants to be like him.
  33. skateboy

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    He's great! I see him challenging for the Olympic team in three years.

    (Is it just me, or does he look like Kimmie Meissner?)
  34. DORISPULASKI

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    Just before Jason skated, when he came out for the warmup, one of the ladies I was sitting next to said that she had flown back from last year's nationals on the same plane, seated near Jason and Kori. She said Jason was such a nice kid, and was feeding Kori's new baby for her, and helping with things.

    Then he skated. I could so definitely see the Rohene touches in that LP, but Jason could actually skate them in a performance, whereas Rohene seemed to leave his performances on the practice ice.

    I absolutely loved both of Jason's programs, and was out of my seat applauding him like crazy!

    The audience didn't want to let him go.

    I would have given him the best PCS scores of any the competitors there, including Jeremy Abbott.

    Ice Network has an interview with Jason, done by Peter Carruthers after the men's LP as one of the "AT&T Ice Desk" segments on Jan 30.
    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110114&content_id=16439784&vkey=ice_news

    You have to scroll down to find it.

    Rohene had a nice triple axel as well as a quad toe, so I'm guessing if Kori has any problems with teaching the two jumps to Jason, that Rohene may help.

    I hope Jason keeps Rohene as his choreographer-I loved the way that moves in that program kept surprising you-you'd thing he be setting up for one thing, and pow, it was something else, done in combination, most times.

    The only constructive criticism I might have is with one of his camel spins-one of his position is pretty radical, and you say to yourself is that a camel spin or an upright spin at this point? I think in the SP? However, I really liked the spin; it just didn't COPize perfectly. So I'd advise when he's doing a cool new move to have it checked out for COP compatibility with one of the experts before he gets too far into a season.

    He's a wonderful skater and his LP performance is one that I will rewatch many times.

    Oh--Jason skated during the 2008 Skate for Hope ice show benefit for breast cancer, because his aunt has had breast cancer.
    2008 Skate For Hope (breast cancer fund raiser)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdogNHFaB9A&feature=related
    Kori Ade interviews Jason Brown after the skate
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHdxv547zno

    Is the woman interviewing him his coach?

    And here are the rest of Jason vids I've found on youtube:


    2011 US Nationals (Senior) SP Baliwood by King Circle
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaTW6dT3Yjc

    2011 US Nationals (Senior) LP Turandot
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFVz7WJgkK0&feature=related

    ETA FIXED LINK
    Let It Snow, Dallas Galleria (skating around the huge Christmas tree base) December 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf2uQMOhIeg&feature=related

    JGP Courchevel 2010 SP Baliwood
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WML-ZLpYWtk

    JGP Courchevel 2010 LP Turandot
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlkMxQJA47k&feature=related

    JGP Couchevel 2010 Exhibition
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xNh6GWU_pY

    2010 US Nationals Sp Hey Pachuco by Royal Crown Revue
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tud02T7VmM&NR=1

    2010 US Nationals winning LP in Juniors to Pas de Deux (Nutcracker)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEh0bm-oRtM

    Opening of the Wrigley outdoor Rink (Nutcracker)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f383kZwZFg8
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  35. MoreIce

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    I just love Jason's skating! Everything about it. His performance at nationals was breathtaking. I also hope that he gets his triple axel and is still able to perform the same way. I love the relationship he has with his coach and I hope that continues. I know that Kori along with Jason and other students of hers were at ice castle this summer, so I'm sure coaches there worked on his jumps as well.
  36. ryanbfan

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    If you are asking if Kori Ade is his coach, yes, she is. :)
  37. inthemiddle

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    Actually there was some interview when he said Evan is his idol :lol:
    I'll try to find it.
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    Here it is
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spo...s-path-from-suburban-chicago-to-olympics.html
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  38. BigB08822

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    LOL! I was just guessing based on his skating style and the way he lands his jumps. I figured he was a big fan but to be honest, he is probably too young to be a huge fan of Kwan. Gosh, I'm getting old!
  39. CantALoop

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    I've never seen this kid skate before, but WOW!!!! :eek: If I was in that arena, I would've been standing up and clapping as soon as he started that last spin. :biggrinbo :cheer2:

    I agree with Ziggy though, his musicality and expression is amazing, but if overdone could cross that line into frenetic (like the last two OGMs, IMNSHO). I think that if he could polish his body lines further, he would be even more stunning.
  40. Jaana

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    Jason has impressed me as well and I will be looking forward to see him starting to jump a 3A in his programmes. His skating is very pleasing to the eye!

    I´m happy to hear that he is a hard worker, and hope that he stays that way even after all the gushing fans may be expressing.