Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, May 15, 2011.
Thanks Sylvia I was in such a rush when I posted. I deleted the link.
I am also heartbroken for Kozuka. Since he is injured probably the best thing is for him to heal....not try and train through the injury for 4CC or Worlds (JMO). He need to come back strong and healthy for next season if he wants to make the World/Olympic team in this deep field.
I am also very sad for Akiko since I love her skating. She is going to Worlds and 4CC so that is a good thing. I am really puzzled about her season. Early on she had a lot of problems with the SP and rocked the FS. Now, she seems to be doing fine with the SP and having major problems with the FS. Since I don't read or understand Japanese I wonder if she has an injury which is causing her trouble with the 3Flip? It seems so odd that GPF and here it was such a problem for her. It would be great if she does well at 4CC and Worlds. I hope she continues on to 2014!
I can't believe that they didn't assign Oda to 4CC as he skated well at Skate Canada and came 3rd. At Rostelcom he came back with a great long placing 2nd in the long and he came 3rd in the long at japanese nationals. This seems very harsh. The depth is unique. I am very disappointed. These skaters work so hard, sacrifice so much and at any other nationals Oda and Kozuka would have made the world team.
being fine means 3t2t?
that´s not fine for a current worlds bronze medalist and wannebe real contender for 2013/14 world and olympic medals.
Akiko has never been a real consistent skater. This season at Skate Canada she was 5th in SP and 1st in FS and Overall 2. At NHK she was 5th in SP 1st in FS and Overall 2. Then, at the GPF she was 3rd in all phases. At Japanese Nationals she was 1st in SP (over Mao the Olympic Silver Medalist who popped her loop) and 5th in the FS and Overall 4th.
No, I don't think a 3t/2t was great - she was going for a 3t/3t but has struggled with it this year.
It just seemed like she might have some type of injury to have so much trouble with her flip and lutz at Japan Nationals. I don't read or speak the language so I wondered if anyone who does might have heard something in the interview Yukari did with Akiko - or something in an article.
I still enjoy Akiko more than any of the other Japanese ladies, though of course Mao is also lovely.
Several skaters complained about the ice being too hard, so it is possible that affected their timing with toe pick jumps. I guess if you were already struggling with a particular jump (flip, in Akiko's case), that would only make matters worse.
Thanks Ioana, I hadn't heard about that.
I feel bad for Oda. He couldn't capitalize earlier in his career when he had chances and now other skaters have passed him by. Maybe he can do pair ....
I thought Oda is quite short for pairs...
Indeed. I think he's quite a tiny person overall, and although that suits both him and his current skating abilities, he'd have to pair up with a lady close to being invisible.
-- I'm heartbroken for Kozuka. A lot of his best qualities can't be seen in any other male skater, even in this incredibly deep field. Iìll miss those a lot. May he get back on the ice strong and competitive.
Thanks! A spoon full of sweet Asada <3
The whole Gala
There's a sweet video of Akiko crying backstage while Daisuke tries to console her.
He says "It's not the end, stay calm, promise me!"
To which she replies "It can't be fixed because I'm out of shape"
Wow - given Akiko's stuggles with an eating disorder, that conversation is bleak. I hope she doesn't do anything drastic.
It's heartbreaking to see her cry. There is no skater I've ever wanted to root for more than Akiko. Wishing her the best
We can't begin to know----at least those of us who don't compete---what these skates go through when all their handwork and sacrifice isn't fulfilled. Seeing her cry makes me feel really sad, and I wish I hadn't watched it really, except that in the future I will give more thought to the skater who falls short of their goals.
wow Mura kicked Oda , Machida and Kozuka's Butts
sad Kozuka not going
Poor thing!!! I hope she can feel better and give great performances at 4CC and worlds. I think her programs this season are (love the departure from her usual sweet persona for the SP).
And I'm really sad to see Kozuka skating poorly, I hope his injury can heal quickly and he can have a great Olympic season.
She said she couldn't finetune things the way she wanted to and that it [the results] couldn't be helped - I don't think she was referring to any future competition
And apparently she's confirmed that she'll continue until Sochi - hopefully those issues in the FS at GPF and Nats will motivate her towards great things at 4CC and Worlds ^_^
Yes, but Narumi Takahashi is tiny and now looking for a Japanese partner
I thought these were two of the best programs he has had. I only hope he keeps one or both of them and comes back strong next year.
They may well be the best 2 programs on the whole circuit this season.
In my books they are.
I'd give the edge to the SP though if he wants to keep one program for next season - but that's only because I loved last season's freeskate so and still miss it.
Oda's Sorcerer's Apprentice is his best LP in a long time too.
I'm still not reconciled to neither even making 4CC.
On his Olympic bio it said he was 5'4" and 123 lbs. Some female pair skaters are probably that size. Mervin Tran is over 10 cm taller than Oda and Narumi is as tiny as they come. Oda would be better off switching countries. I know he trains and lives in Canada, but obviously this switching nationalities thing isn't very easy...
So Haruka Imai had a decent start to the season with a bronze at Nebelhorn and solid 5th at Skate America, both with great FS. She had pretty dismal showings at NHK and nationals. How do you guys think the coaching change to Yuka Sato has been for Imai in the past 2 seasons? And where does her career lead towards? I think she can still get 1 GP with her ranking and season's best but with Rika Hongo maybe turning junior (I presume Miyahara will be junior again), that NHK spot next season will go to Hongo or Ando if she chooses to return.
Kozuka is out from Stars On Ice Japan Tour on this weekend in Osaka and the next in Tokyo.
says it's due to injury of the right foot.
says that he'd like to focus on treatment and training, and apparently he's training in the swimming pool with his Olympian swimmer friend.
Oda's coach, Lee Barkell, is a pairs coach in addition to singles. Lee competed internationally as a pair. But Oda is too slight I think and he is such a great singles skater. He just needs a year where things all connect and go his way. He was off last year with his knee tendon injury. I hope he continues. I agree his long program is one of his best in many years. Missing both triple axels in the long program at nationals is unusual. His triple axel is one of the best in the world.
Shizuka Arakawa just tweeted a photo of her and Akiko Suzuki, each holding a huge flower arrangement:
They're having a dozen of skating shows in Japan in these 2 weeks. Each of them has gorgeous casts, top skaters form Japan and the world.
Now JSOI tour in Osaka is starting in an hour and they have one more show tomorrow.
On Monday they'll have two shows of Nagoya Festival.
Japan Super Challenge on Tuesday.
From next Saturday to Monday they'll have JSOI tour in Tokyo.
Don't know if it was mentioned somewhere else.
German press release told, Daisuke Takahashi will quit competitive skating after sochi 2014.
He will enjoy the days afterwards.
I think this is not such a surprise. May he have a great career ending.
EDIT: Apologizes, I didn't see he had made an official declaration on the subject after the SOI exhib of today until now - although that was to be expected
He also said in a documentary recently aired on Japanese tv, to his coach who mentioned the fact that several skaters returned to competition after "retiring" a first time, that he planned to "give it all [he] had [until 2014] to the point that [he] would never want to come back"
He also stated a couple of time that he isn't even sure he'll continue skating at all - i.e. he may not even do shows afterwards - and rather focus on coaching (but when asked, said he doesn't plan to be a choreographer, interestingly enough)
Article in English: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/...ng-japans-takahashi-quit-sochi-103957356.html
Thanks for the links, midori! Has Kozuka said what type of foot injury he has? Hope he can heal well.
Wow, Japanese skating will take a hit after Sochi, with Takahashi, Suzuki, and Ando actually retiring. Mao has yet to say anything but I wouldn't be too shocked if Sochi is her last outing as well, and there is also Oda. I will cry after the Sochi Olympics for about a week
Thanks for the information about the recent documentary, rayhaneh. It saddens me to think that Daisuke Takahashi may hang his skates up forever after the 2014 Olympics.
I wouldn't be surprised to see stars as big as these skaters appear pretty quickly after this group leaves the eligible ranks. Does any country even come close to the depth of Japan in the combined fields of men's and ladies??
Should we really analyze whether Oda could do pairs? He is too short to do synchro. He might even be too short to date.
Well Oda is already married, so someone didn't think he was too short to date
If Oda completed just one more jump cleanly between the sp and lp we wouldn't even be having this discussion. It's too quick to throw away an entire career because he came up slightly short in the most competitive nationals in the world.
He'll be in the running for the Olympic team next year, he just really needs to figure out how to skate competitions like he skates his practices.
As mentioned above, Oda successfully won the dating fight, and even made sure to generate offsprings: he's all set.
Whether or not he could pair up with Mervin, it would be entirely up to his ability to learn how to be the men partner. Of course, he has the side by side jumping part down (which isn't going to be much useful is Mervin doesn't), but he'd still have a long way to go, expecially given he's no hercules.
Sorry, I am deperately trying to imagine Mervin and Odaddy pairing up but everytime I think I am coming close I dissolve in laughter and I have to start focusing again
So how would that work? Am I to understand Nobu would lift Mervin?
PS: Yep, apparently it will come as a shock to some, but as you correctly pointed out, he was even able to make babies (well, one baby, at any rate)! OMG how can that be even possible, right?
I think someone like Cynthia Phaneuf might be able to lift and throw him. I'm not sure that the Japanese have anyone who could do it, though.
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