ISU has lowered the 2013 Worlds minimum scores (TES) for men, ladies & pairs

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  1. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the input guys.. I'll fix the ladies asap , meanwhile here's what I got with the men. In case of more skaters than spots available i'm highlightening in blue the world team. Any corrections would be aprreciated :D

    SKATERS WITH BOTH WORLD MINIMUM SCORES ACHIEVED:
    Country Name TES-SP Comp Season TES-LP Comp Season
    AUSTRIA (1 spot)
    *AUT PFEIFER, Viktor 35.02 EC 12-13 63.83 IC 11-12
    BELARUS (1 spot)
    *BLR IGNATENKO, Pavel 33.38 EC 12-13 61.94 EC 12-13
    BELGIUM (1 spot)
    *BEL HENDRICKX, Jorik 42.63 ICC 11-12 71.43 EC 11-12
    CANADA (3 spots)
    *CAN BALDE, Elladj 39.72 SC 12-13 62.04 NT 12-13
    CAN CHAN, Patrick 46.24 WC 11-12 95.83 FC 11-12
    *CAN FIRUS, Liam 32.74 WJC 11-12 66.98 WJC 11-12
    *CAN NGUYEN, Nam 32.80 JGP TUR 12-13 62.07 WJC 11-12 (not age elegible)
    *CAN REYNOLDS, Kevin 44.30 WTT 11-12 79.30 CoC 11-12
    *CAN ROGOZINE, Andrei 37.73 NT 12-13 67.18 CoR 11-12
    CHINA (1 spot)
    *CHN GUAN, Jinlin 36.00 FC 11-12 63.17 FC 11-12
    *CHN JIN, Boyang 36.80 JGP FRA 12-13 74.65 JGP FRA 12-13 (not age elegible)
    CHN SONG, Nan 44.92 TEB 11-12 86.45 CoC 11-12
    *CHN YAN, Han 40.51 WJC 11-12 77.86 JGPF 11-12
    *CHN ZHANG, He 34.16 WJC 11-12 64.12 WJC 11-12
    CZECH REPUBLIC (2 spots)
    *CZE BREZINA, Michal 48.70 WC 11-12 84.02 EC 12-13
    *CZE VERNER, Tomas 42.39 EC 11-12 67.06 EC 11-12
    ESTONIA (1 spot)
    *EST ROMANENKOV, Viktor 35.11 EC 12-13 65.73 IC 12-13
    FRANCE (3 spots)
    *FRA AMODIO, Florent 49.18 EC 12-13 81.41 WC 11-12
    *FRA BESSEGHIER, Chafik 38.00 NRW 12-13 77.36 NRW 12-13
    *FRA JOUBERT, Brian 45.01 WTT 11-12 79.17 WC 11-12
    *FRA PONSART, Romain 33.98 CdN 11-12 66.19 VOC 12-13
    GERMANY (1 spot)
    *GER FENTZ, Paul 34.56 CdN 11-12 67.52 WCup 12-13
    *GER LIEBERS, Peter 39.76 NRW 11-12 76.72 NRW 12-13
    *GER RAPPE, Martin 33.61 IC 12-13 66.83 IC 11-12
    *GER STREUBEL, Franz 35.61 BO 11-12 66.48 CdP 11-12
    *GER WIECZOREK, Denis 33.11 NRW 12-13 62.65 NRW 11-12
    HONG KONG (1 spot)
    *HKG LAM, Ronald 35.13 USCL 12-13 61.68 VOC 12-13
    ITALY (2 spots)
    *ITA BACCHINI, Paolo 37.29 MC 12-13 71.63 MC 12-13
    JAPAN (3 spots)
    *JPN HANYU, Yuzuru 53.03 NHK 12-13 91.99 WC 11-12
    *JPN HINO, Ryuju 38.20 JGPF 12-13 71.07 JGPF 12-13
    *JPN KOZUKA, Takahiko 46.64 GPF 12-13 85.58 GPF 12-13
    *JPN MACHIDA, Tatsuki 44.16 CoC 12-13 82.95 GS 11-12
    *JPN MURA, Takahito 47.22 FC 11-12 78.11 TEB 12-13
    *JPN MURAKAMI, Daisuke 39.91 SA 11-12 68.35 ONM 12-13
    *JPN NAKAMURA, Kento 37.61 NRW 11-12 68.20 ONM 11-12
    *JPN ODA, Nobunari 44.61 SC 12-13 81.76 CoR 12-13
    *JPN TAKAHASHI, Daisuke 49.71 WTT 11-12 89.14 WTT 11-12
    *JPN TANAKA, Keiji 35.65 JGP AUS 11-12 71.02 WJC 11-12
    *JPN UNO, Shoma 33.62 JGP GER 12-13 60.76 JGP GER 12-13 (not age elegible)
    KAZAKHSTAN (2 spots)
    *KAZ RAKIMGALIEV, Abzal 33.96 TT 11-12 64.60 CdP 11-12
    *KAZ TEN, Denis 43.44 FC 11-12 78.78 WC 11-12
    MONACO (1 spot)
    *MON LUCINE, Kim 34.91 EC 12-13 65.96 Istanbul Cup 11-12
    PHILIPPINES (1 spot)
    *PHI CALUZA, Christopher 33.87 IC 12-13 60.73 WC 11-12
    *PHI MARTINEZ, Michael Christian 32.26 NRW 12-13 67.07 CS 12-13
    POLAND (1 spot)
    *POL CIEPLUCHA, Maciej 35.27 WCup 12-13 63.15 FT 11-12
    ROMANIA (1 spot)
    *ROU KELEMEN, Zoltan 36.20 CdP 11-12 65.66 Istanbul Cup 11-12
    RUSSIA (1 spot)
    *RUS BARIEV, Ivan 39.36 GS 11-12 73.57 NT 12-13
    *RUS BUSH, Zhan 41.80 NT 11-12 77.75 CoN 12-13
    *RUS DMITRIEV, Artur 36.53 JGP POL 11-12 68.45 JGP POL 11-12
    *RUS GACHINSKI, Artur 45.91 EC 11-12 82.61 EC 11-12
    *RUS GORSHKOV, Gordei 33.27 JGP AUT 11-12 60.03 JGP AUT 11-12
    *RUS KOLYADA, Mikhail 36.37 VOC 12-13 69.81 VOC 12-13
    *RUS KOVTUN, Maxim 39.50 EC 12-13 80.00 JGP CRO 12-13
    *RUS MENSHOV, Konstantin 45.48 NRW 12-13 84.52 NRW 12-13
    *RUS PLUSHENKO, Evgeni 42.21 EC 11-12 87.68 EC 11-12
    *RUS SAMARIN, Alexander 32.64 JGP SLO 12-13 62.88 JGP SLO 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *RUS SEZGANOV, Vladislav 37.68 CoN 12-13 62.59 GS 12-13
    *RUS TRETIAKOV, Ivan 35.00 FT 11-12 61.87 FT 11-12
    *RUS VORONOV, Sergei 42.81 EC 12-13 78.85 NHK 12-13
    SOUTH KOREA (1 spot)
    *KOR KIM, Jin-Seo 38.33 NRW 12-13 71.07 JGP AUT 12-13
    SPAIN (2 spots)
    *ESP FERNANDEZ, Javier 46.87 EC 12-13 96.65 EC 12-13
    SWEDEN (1 spot)
    *SWE MAJOROV, Alexander 40.04 EC 12-13 72.89 EC 12-13
    *SWE SCHULTHEISS, Adrian 32.23 CdP 11-12 61.84 FT 11-12
    UKRAINE (1 spot)
    *UKR GODOROZHA, Yakov 62.73 IS 12-13 33.76 IS 12-13
    UNITED STATES (2 spots)
    *USA AARON, Max 41.12 CoN 12-13 83.58 USCL 12-13
    *USA ABBOTT, Jeremy 44.09 WTT 11-12 74.80 GPF 11-12
    *USA BROWN, Jason 36.84 JGP AUS 11-12 72.70 WJC 11-12
    *USA CARRIERE, Stephen 38.51 NT 11-12 75.93 NT 12-13
    *USA CHEN, Nathan 43.05 JGP AUT 12-13 79.51 JGP AUT 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *USA CHOATE, Harrison 34.26 JGP CRO 12-13 63.07 JGP ROU 11-12
    *USA DOLENSKY, Timothy 32.60 USCL 12-13 68.91 USCL 12-13
    *USA DORNBUSH, Richard 36.95 NHK 12-13 92.12 FT 12-13
    *USA FARRIS, Joshua 42.58 JGP POL 11-12 75.49 JGP USA 12-13
    *USA MAHBANOOZADEH, Armin 39.81 IC 12-13 76.43 USCL 12-13
    *USA MESSING, Keegan 44.00 CdN 11-12 74.52 NT 12-13
    *USA MINER, Ross 41.68 FC 11-12 86.74 NHK 12-13
    *USA RAZZANO, Douglas 40.11 IC 12-13 69.84 SA 11-12
    *USA RIPPON, Adam 39.79 FC 11-12 75.22 NHK 12-13
    UZBEKISTAN (1 spot)
    *UZB GE, Misha 36.37 AT 11-12 70.89 NRW 12-13

    TOTAL WORLDS FIELDS SO FAR: 33 SKATERS OUT OF 24 COUNTRIES.

    SKATERS WHO HAVE REACHED THE SP SCORE BUT STILL NEED THE LP SCORE
    Country NAME TES-SP Comp Season
    *DEN STRID, Justus 32.10 GS 12-13
    *ESP RAYA, Javier 35.27 GS 11-12
    *ITA PARKINSON, Paul Bonifacio 32.63 USCL 12-13
    *JPN KAWAHARA, Sei 34.66 JGP AUT 12-13
    *RUS GRIGORIEV, Artem 37.61 NRW 11-12
    *RUS TARASENKO, Vladislav 32.18 JGP POL 11-12
    *RUS LAZUKIN, Andrei 32.79 JGP AUT 12-13
    *RUS PETROV, Alexander 33.28 JGP TUR 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *RUS PITKEEV, Adian 32.26 JGP USA 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *SUI ALVAREZ, Laurent 34.60 ICC 11-12
    *USA HOCHSTEIN, Grant 36.32 ONM 11-12
    *USA MROZ, Brandon 40.76 NHK 11-12
    *USA YOSANTO, Jay 33.14 JGP GER 12-13


    SKATERS WHO HAVE REACHED THE LP SCORE BUT STILL NEED THE SP SCORE
    Country NAME TES-LP Comp Season
    *CHN WANG, Yi 68.52 CoC 12-13
    *CZE COUFAL, Petr 61.59 JGP AUT 12-13
    *CZE KASKA, Pavel 61.14 MC 12-13
    *ISR BYCHENKO, Alexei 60.72 EC 12-13
    *JPN KIHARA, Ryuichi 66.45 NRW 12-13
    *RUS BORODULIN, Artem 62.49 GS 11-12
    *RUS SHAKHMATOV, Mark 66.68 GS 12-13
    *RUS ZUBER, Andrei 62.36 JGP CRO 12-13
    *SUI WALKER, Stephane 61.90 EC 12-13
    *UKR IGNATENKO, Dmitri 63.09 NRW 12-13
    *USA OMORI, Shotaro 61.69 JGP ROU 11-12
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  2. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    The reason is: Keeping skating developing worldwide and not just in USA/Russia/Japan.

    If you increase spots for those countries, you take away spots from developing countries. Number of skaters who can perform at Worlds is limited, unfortunately.

    Oh thanks, I missed that. :)

    Seniors are open to all ISU members for the second season now at least (this year Alina Milevskaia from Ukraine took part).

    Thanks again for the lists. Oh damn, I didn't realise Raya doesn't have the FS score. :(
  3. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    Here's the PAIRS. I'm exluding all teams known to be split (and they are a lot!). World team members are highlighted in purple;)

    PAIRS WITH BOTH WORLD MINIMUM SCORES ACHIEVED:
    Country Name TES-SP Comp Season TES-LP Comp Season
    BULGARY (1 spot)
    *BUL Elizabeta MAKAROVA / Leri KENCHADZE 24.33 NNC 12-13 43.06 EC 12-13
    CANADA (2 spots)
    *CAN Brittany JONES / Ian BEHARRY 28.52 JGP AUT 12-13 50.02 JGP AUT 12-13
    *CAN Hayleigh BELL / Alistair SYLVESTER 25.34 JGP CRO 12-13 44.72 WJC 11-12
    *CAN Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Dylan MOSCOVITCH 35.12 NHK 12-13 61.65 SA 11-12
    *CAN Margaret PURDY / Michael MARINARO 27.88 WJC 11-12 49.36 JGP CRO 12-13
    *CAN Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD 35.37 SC 11-12 66.01 TEB 12-13
    *CAN Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS 31.28 FC 11-12 56.73 USCL 12-13
    CHINA (3 spots)
    *CHN Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG 33.83 TEB 12-13 56.35 TEB 12-13
    *CHN Meiyi LI / Bo JIANG 26.88 WJC 11-12 46.20 JGP AUT 11-12 (not age elegible)
    *CHN Qing PANG / Jian TONG 35.48 CoC 12-13 61.67 GPF 12-13
    *CHN Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN 37.31 FC 11-12 75.54 FC 11-12
    *CHN Wenting WANG / Yan ZHANG 27.47 CoC 12-13 51.83 CoC 12-13
    *CHN Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN 31.91 CoC 11-12 64.13 SC 11-12
    FRANCE (1 spot)
    *FRA Daria POPOVA / Bruno MASSOT 31.62 EC 11-12 54.60 SC 12-13
    *FRA Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES 33.29 NRW 12-13 60.07 EC 12-13
    GREAT BRITAIN (1 spot)
    *GBR Stacey KEMP / David KING 25.80 EC 11-12 51.22 EC 11-12
    GERMANY (2 spots)
    *GER Aliona SAVCHENKO / Robin SZOLKOWY 39.00 NRW 12-13 70.98 CoR 11-12
    *GER Annabelle PRÖLSS / Ruben BLOMMAERT 26.98 JGP GER 12-13 42.94 JGP GER 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *GER Mari VARTMANN / Aaron VAN CLEAVE 29.61 NRW 11-12 54.15 EC 11-12
    *GER Maylin HAUSCH / Daniel WENDE 30.63 BO 11-12 54.57 BO 11-12
    ITALY (2 spots)
    *ITA Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE 27.88 WC 11-12 50.77 EC 12-13
    *ITA Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK 34.77 EC 12-13 62.56 EC 12-13
    POLAND (1 spot)
    *POL Magdalena KLATKA / Radoslaw CHRUSCINSKI 24.44 WJC 11-12 41.87 WJC 11-12
    RUSSIA (3 spots)
    *RUS Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA / Alexei ROGONOV 31.07 NHK 12-13 53.76 NHK 12-13
    *RUS Evgania TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV 32.31 NRW 12-13 56.44 WCup 12-13
    *RUS Kamila GAINETDINOVA / Ivan BICH 27.00 JGP CRO 12-13 49.32 JGP CRO 12-13
    *RUS Katarina GERBOLDT / Alexander ENBERT 29.22 CdN 11-12 57.90 CdN 11-12
    *RUS Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV 31.80 EC 11-12 58.86 EC 12-13
    *RUS Lina FEDOROVA / Maxim MIROSHKIN 30.58 JGP GER 12-13 52.28 JGPF 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *RUS Maria VIGALOVA / Egor ZAKROEV 27.00 JGP AUT 12-13 53.22 JGPF 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *RUS Tatiana NOVIK / Andrei NOVOSELOV 27.50 NKC 11-12 48.88 NKC 11-12
    *RUS Tatiana TUDVASEVA / Sergei LISIEV 24.16 JGP POL 11-12 47.50 JGP AUT 12-13
    *RUS Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV 39.39 SC 11-12 71.42 WC 11-12
    *RUS Vasilisa DAVANKOVA / Andrei DEPUTAT 27.94 WJC 11-12 55.39 WJC 11-12 (not age elegible)
    *RUS Vera BAZAROVA / Yuri LARIONOV 37.16 GPF 12-13 65.59 GPF 12-13
    *RUS Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV 35.09 TEB 12-13 65.70 CoR 11-12
    UNITED STATES (2 spots)
    *USA Alexa SCIMECA / Chris KNIERIM 33.03 CoN 12-13 58.87 NHK 12-13
    *USA Britney SIMPSON / Matthew BLACKMER 26.65 JGP EST 11-12 45.72 JGPF 11-12
    *USA Caydee DENNEY / John COUGHLIN 35.55 FC 11-12 63.50 NT 12-13
    *USA Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER 27.93 WJC 11-12 50.94 WJC 11-12
    *USA Jessica CALALANG / Zack SIDHU 26.90 JGP EST 11-12 42.57 JGP EST 11-12
    *USA Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR 33.80 IC 12-13 56.62 IC 12-13
    *USA Tiffany VISE / Don BALDWIN 27.12 SA 11-12 53.00 SA 11-12

    TOTAL WORLD FIELDS SO FAR: 18 PAIRS OUT OF 10 COUNTRIES:scream:

    PAIRS WHO HAVE REACHED THE SP SCORE BUT STILL NEED THE LP SCORE
    Country NAME TES-SP Comp Season
    *RUS Alexandra VASILIEVA / Yuri SHEVCHUK 24.47 JGP AUT 11-12
    *USA Madeline AARON / Max SETTLAGE 24.21 JGP CRO 12-13

    PAIRS WHO HAVE REACHED THE LP SCORE BUT STILL NEED THE SP SCORE
    Country NAME TES-LP Comp Season
    *AZE Angelina EKATERININA / Philipp TARASOV 41.51 NRW 12-13
    *CAN Natasha PURICH / Sebastien ARCIERI 43.34 JGP GER 12-13
    *CAN Shalena RAU / Phelan SIMPSON 43.79 JGP USA 12-13
    *UKR Julia LAVRENTIEVA / Yuri RUDIK 45.30 EC 12-13
    *USA Felicia ZHANG / Nathan BARTHOLOMAY 48.14 USCL 12-13
    *USA Gretchen DONLAN / Andrew SPEROFF 51.93 NT 12-13


    Well to be fair here, while the field seems awfully small, there's not much else left to pick from. BLR, CZE, EST, ISR, JPN and SUI all had teams with qualifying scores that now are split and when one of the Kenchadze brothers gets the scores you know they have gone really really low.:shuffle:
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  4. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Only 18 teams... :(

    Now I feel really angry that Lavrentieva/Rudik haven't been assigned to Bavarian Open by the Ukrainian Fed. They had a great FS at Euros and really deserved to go to Worlds. A near clean SP would get them the score required. :(
  5. SamuraiK

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    Ok and finally here's the fixed ladies list with competitions added. Worl team members in red.

    SKATERS WHO HAVE REACHED BOTH WORLD MINIMUN SCORES
    Country Name TES-SP Comp Season TES-LP Comp Season
    AUSTRALIA(1 spot)
    *AUS HAN, Brooklee 27.72 NT 12-13 47.64 NT 12-13
    AUSTRIA(1 spot)
    *AUT FRANK, Kerstin 28.76 EC 12-13 51.73 EC 12-13
    BRAZIL(1 spot)
    *BRA WILLIAMS, Isadora 27.23 WJC 11-12 49.21 GS 12-13
    CANADA (1 spot)
    *CAN CHARTRAND, Alaine 26.22 JGP CRO 12-13 49.51 JGP USA 12-13
    *CAN DALEMAN, Gabrielle 30.37 JGP GER 12-13 47.32 JGP AUT 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *CAN LACOSTE, Amelie 31.88 USCL 12-13 47.99 USCL 12-13
    *CAN OSMOND, Kaetlyn 33.21 SC 12-13 59.15 NT 12-13
    CHINA(2 spots)
    *CHN LI, Zijun 33.79 CoC 12-13 59.35 NHK 12-13
    *CHN ZHANG, Kexin 32.76 WC 11-12 58.32 FC 11-12
    *CHN ZHAO, Ziquan 31.47 JGP AUT 12-13 52.37 JGP AUT 12-13 (not age elegible)
    DENMARK(1 spot)
    *DEN MADSEN, Anita 27.29 EC 12-13 49.66 NDC 12-13
    ESTONIA(1 spot)
    *EST GLEBOVA, Elena 31.64 FT 11-12 53.07 MC 11-12
    *EST LIINAMÄE, Gerli 29.40 JGP EST 11-12 51.78 JGP EST 11-12
    FINLAND(1 spot)
    *FIN KORPI, Kiira 36.87 FT 12-13 56.12 CoR 12-13
    *FIN TURKKILA, Juulia 28.90 EC 12-13 47.33 FT 12-13
    FRANCE(1 spot)
    *FRA GILLERON-GORRY, Lenaelle 30.49 EC 12-13 54.07 MC 11-12
    *FRA MARROCCO, Lena 28.62 CoN 12-13 51.81 ONM 11-12
    *FRA MEITE, Mae Berenice 30.71 NRW 12-13 53.76 TEB 12-13
    *FRA SILETE, Yretha 31.40 WTT 11-12 55.85 NRW 11-12
    GEORGIA(2 spots)
    *GEO GEDEVANISHVILI, Elene 31.48 SC 12-13 51.18 EC 11-12
    GERMANY(1 spot)
    *GER HECKEN, Sarah 30.02 MC 12-13 49.36 NYC 12-13
    *GER WEINZIERL, Nathalie 30.79 EC 12-13 52.24 NRW 12-13
    GREAT BRITAIN(1 spots)
    *GBR MCCORKELL, Jenna 30.39 IC 12-13 56.10 IC 12-13
    ITALY(3 spots)
    *ITA KOSTNER, Carolina 36.34 WTT 11-12 63.22 WC 11-12
    *ITA MARCHEI, Valentina 30.61 ICC 11-12 54.79 EC 12-13
    *ITA RODEGHIERO, Roberta 27.65 NRW 11-12 48.84 NRW 11-12
    JAPAN(3 spots)
    *JPN ASADA, Mao 35.70 NHK 12-13 63.45 GPF 12-13
    *JPN HONGO, Rika 31.79 JGP FRA 12-13 54.75 JGP FRA 12-13
    *JPN IMAI, Haruka 29.16 CoR 11-12 56.82 SA 12-13
    *JPN MIYAHARA, Satoko 32.80 JGP POL 11-12 58.57 WJC 11-12 (not age elegible)
    *JPN MURAKAMI, Kanako 35.16 FC 11-12 55.53 WC 11-12
    *JPN NAGAI, Yuka 26.90 AT 12-13 46.42 JGP AUT 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *JPN NISHINO, Yuki 30.26 NRW 11-12 48.18 NRW 11-12
    *JPN OBA, Miyabi 29.63 JGP GER 12-13 50.14 JGP GER 12-13
    *JPN SATO, Miu 28.20 JGP AUT 11-12 54.81 WJC 11-12
    *JPN SHOJI, Risa 31.01 JGP EST 11-12 52.55 JGP AUS 11-12
    *JPN SUZUKI, Akiko 36.48 WTT 11-12 64.51 NHK 12-13
    *JPN SUZUKI, Haruna 30.22 GS 11-12 46.81 GS 11-12
    *JPN TOMOTAKI, Kako 29.32 NRW 11-12 53.53 NRW 11-12
    LATVIA(1 spot)
    *LAT FJODOROVA, Alina 26.38 EC 11-12 47.51 EC 11-12
    LITHUANIA(1 spot)
    *LTU JANULEVICIUTE, Inga 27.87 WCup 12-13 46.39 WCup 12-13
    RUSSIA(3 spots)
    *RUS AGAFONOVA, Polina 32.31 JGP AUT 11-12 54.47 CdN 11-12
    *RUS BIRYUKOVA, Sofia 32.32 FT 11-12 55.50 CoR 11-12
    *RUS GERASIMOVA, Evgenia 28.74 JGP USA 12-13 52.03 JGP SLO 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *RUS GOSVIANI, Nikol 29.50 NNC 12-13 50.52 EC 12-13
    *RUS KOROBEYNIKOVA, Polina 28.41 EC 11-12 63.57 EC 11-12
    *RUS LEONOVA, Alena 34.64 WC 11-12 60.57 WC 11-12
    *RUS LIPNITSKAYA, Julia 36.43 WJC 11-12 67.34 WJC 11-12 (not age elegible)
    *RUS MAKAROVA, Ksenia 31.75 NRW 12-13 46.01 CoC 11-12
    *RUS POGORILAYA, Anna 33.25 JGPF 12-13 60.53 JGP GER 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *RUS RADIONOVA, Elena 36.80 JGP AUT 12-13 66.39 JGP AUT 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *RUS SHELEPEN, Polina 30.30 JGPF 11-12 61.05 JGP ROU 11-12
    *RUS SHERSHAK, Anna 28.14 JGP ITA 11-12 47.83 JGP ITA 11-12 (not age elegible)
    *RUS SOTNIKOVA, Adelina 37.25 EC 12-13 62.39 EC 12-13
    *RUS STAVITSKAYA, Maria 34.46 JGP GER 12-13 52.75 JGP EST 11-12 (not age elegible)
    *RUS TITUSHKINA, Ulyana 32.56 JGP FRA 12-13 48.12 JGP FRA 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *RUS TUKTAMYSHEVA, Elizaveta 34.99 TEB 11-12 70.02 EC 12-13
    *RUS ZASEEVA, Kristina 29.43 NRW 11-12 52.20 NRW 11-12
    SOUTH KOREA(1 spot)
    *KOR KIM, Hae-Jin 32.69 JGP AUT 12-13 55.54 JGP ROU 11-12
    *KOR KIM, Yuna 37.42 NRW 12-13 60.82 NRW 12-13
    *KOR PARK, So-Youn 30.02 JGP TUR 12-13 49.93 JGP ITA 11-12 (not age elegible)
    *KOR PARK, Yeon-Jun 26.43 AT 11-12 48.67 AT 11-12
    SLOVAKIA(1 spot)
    *SVK SIMANCIKOVA, Monika 27.48 EC 12-13 47.64 IC 12-13
    SPAIN(1 spot)
    *ESP LAFUENTE, Sonia 29.02 EC 12-13 53.44 EC 12-13
    SWEDEN(1 spot)
    *SWE HELGESSON, Joshi 29.78 NRW 11-12 53.39 WJC 11-12
    *SWE HELGESSON, Viktoria 29.42 EC 11-12 50.73 NRW 12-13
    *SWE MELLGREN, Linnea 27.76 NRW 11-12 46.56 NRW 11-12
    *SWE OLSSON, Isabelle 30.46 CoN 12-13 54.42 IC 12-13
    UKRAINE(1 spot)
    *UKR POPOVA, Natalia 28.25 NRW 11-12 55.90 FT 12-13
    UNITED STATES(2 spots)
    *USA CESARIO, Samantha 31.12 JGP AUT 12-13 55.85 JGP AUT 12-13
    *USA CZISNY, Alissa 33.03 SA 11-12 60.06 TEB 11-12
    *USA FLATT, Rachael 29.14 SC 11-12 47.44 SA 12-13
    *USA GAO, Christina 31.01 SA 12-13 60.64 SA 12-13
    *USA GOLD, Gracie 35.32 JGP EST 11-12 61.67 WJC 11-12
    *USA HICKS, Courtney 27.85 JGP USA 12-13 55.04 JGP AUS 11-12
    *USA KEISER, Leah 31.97 JGP GER 12-13 58.04 JGP TUR 12-13 (not age elegible)
    *USA KULGEYKO, Katarina 26.74 JGP AUT 11-12 49.15 JGP AUT 11-12
    *USA LAM, Vanessa 30.45 JGPF 11-12 58.12 JGP AUT 11-12
    *USA LONG, Barbie 30.38 JGP SLO 12-13 51.30 JGP SLO 12-13
    *USA MILLER, Hannah 33.84 JGPF 12-13 56.16 JGPF 12-13
    *USA NAGASU, Mirai 32.36 NHK 12-13 56.36 NHK 12-13
    *USA WAGNER, Ashley 34.95 GPF 12-13 66.61 FC 11-12
    *USA WANG, Angela 34.93 JGP CRO 12-13 58.90 JGPF 12-13
    *USA ZAWADZKI, Agnes 35.44 USCL 12-13 51.61 NHK 12-13
    *USA ZHANG, Caroline 32.79 FC 11-12 63.25 FC 11-12

    TOTAL WORLDS FIELD SO FAR: 31 SKATERS OUT OF 23 COUNTRIES.

    SKATERS WHO HAVE REACHED THE SP SCORE BUT STILL NEED THE LP SCORE
    Country NAME TES-SP Comp Season
    *AUT HUEBLER, Victoria 26.22 CdN 11-12
    *AUT SCHULZ, Sabrina 27.03 DT 11-12
    *BEL VAN DAELE, Kaat 27.16 EC 12-13
    *BUL AFONKINA, Anna 26.17 VOC 12-13
    *CAN CHARBONNEAU, Kate 27.43 JGP POL 11-12
    *CAN DESANCTIS, Adriana 26.18 SC 11-12
    *CAN PHANEUF, Cynthia 26.56 FC 11-12
    *CAN SEGUIN, Julianne 26.57 JGP FRA 12-13
    *CHN GENG, Bingwa 29.66 CoC 11-12
    *CHN WANG, Jialei 27.43 AT 11-12
    *CZE COUFALOVA, Jana 26.37 NYC 12-13
    *CZE RASZYKOVA, Laura 26.86 IC 12-13
    *EST COSTA, Jasmine Alexandra 27.98 CdN 11-12
    *EST ISSAKOVA, Svetlana 26.27 VOC 12-13
    *FRA LECAVELIER, Laurine 26.69 JGP SLO 12-13
    *FRA VENTARD, Anais 27.37 YOG 11-12
    *GER ZIENTEK, Katharina 27.17 BO 11-12
    *ITA RIO, Francesca 28.40 D-S Cup 12-13
    *JPN FUJISAWA, Yukiko 26.91 GS 11-12
    *JPN ISOBE, Hinano 28.55 JGP SLO 12-13
    *JPN KOKUBUN, Shion 27.12 NT 11-12
    *JPN MATSUDA, Yura 26.60 ICC 11-12
    *KOR CHOI, Hwi 30.66 AT 12-13
    *LUX MAXWELL, Fleur 27.42 CoN 12-13
    *MEX HAMUI, Reyna 26.41 CS 12-13
    *NOR GJERSEM, Anne-Line 27.71 NRW 12-13
    *PUR MUNIZ, Victoria 27.04 CdN 11-12
    *RUS ARTEMIEVA, Maria 29.00 GS 11-12
    *RUS OVCHAROVA, Anna 31.08 CdN 11-12
    *SLO GLESCIC, Patricia 28.50 GS 11-12
    *SUI LEUENBERGER, Myriam 27.03 ICC 11-12
    *SUI STÜRZINGER, Tina 26.52 EC 12-13
    *SVK RAJICOVA, Nicole 27.19 MC 12-13
    *USA CAIN, Ashley 28.48 JGP FRA 12-13
    *USA DINH, Lauren 26.02 JGP POL 11-12
    *USA FORTE, Joelle 26.61 SA 11-12
    *USA SIRAJ, Yasmin 26.75 JGP LAT 11-12

    SKATERS WHO HAVE REACHED THE LP SCORE BUT STILL NEED THE SP SCORE
    Country NAME TES-LP Comp Season
    *CHN ZHANG, Ying 46.97 CoC 12-13
    *CZE UKOLOVA, Elizaveta 48.03 JGP TUR 12-13
    *FIN MIKONSAARI, Alisa 49.08 NRW 11-12
    *GER HOFFMANN, Sandy 48.21 IC 12-13
    *JPN MURAMOTO, Kana 47.33 ICC 11-12
    *JPN MURAMOTO, Satsuki 55.43 NRW 12-13
    *USA BAGA, Kiri 46.71 JGP USA 12-13

    Will this be the first world championships with a bigger roster in men than in ladies since the Uldrich Salchow days???:lol:
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    Thanks again for an inredible amount of work, SamuraiK. :respec:

    Keep your eyes open on Bavarian Open, Dragon Trophy and Challenge Cup. Loads of skaters entered there, making their last attempt at reaching the minimum scores.
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    And the days of Madge Syers :)
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    Thanks for the work! These lists are interesting when talking about 'depth' of different countries as well. For instance, the US may lament the fact that they only have 2 spots for men and ladies, but look at the number of qualified skaters.

    Interestingly, while China has 3 spots, they have one less qualified pair that the US!

    and so forth, lots of observations to be made
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    That's because China has TONS of skaters competing at the national level in all disciplines but they don't really send anybody to international events (even Cup of China doesn't use all of the spots)... :mad:
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    That must be what I am remembering.

    That sounds completely like the ISU!

    That's my problem with the whole setup.
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    Isn't that amazing?
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    Yes. Using this system skaters won't know for sure whether they can go to Worlds until shortly before. But I still think it's more fair than making only some of the skaters compete in the Preliminary Rounds and having some skaters qualify based not on their own merit but results of other skaters.

    Something to do with "saving face" that's really important in Chinese culture probably? Not sending those deemed not to be good enough.
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    Thanks for the list, SamuraiK.

    Sila Saygi from Turkey scored 46.17 for the SP and 73.10 for the LP at the Euros. She should qualify, shouldn't she? Or is there some factoring of the scores that I am not aware of - sorry, haven't been following.
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    Only technical scores count. Sila Saygi had 25.88 in the SP (so just short of 26 she would need) and 35.27 in the FS (over 10 points short here).
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    It's frustrating. Chinese fed is ridiculously stingy, and not because of the lack of funding either.
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    Yes, makes it even more frustrating given most federations can only dream about the kind of resources that Chinese Fed has at its disposal.
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    How do we know the Chinese fed has lots of funding at its proposal? I never have that impression while reading the Chinese boards, but maybe I missed the obvious,

    All I get is politics and seniority,
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    Thanks!
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    Sila Saygi will hopefully go to Junior Worlds. :)
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    I want the ISU to lower pairs TES to 1.0 or less so that we can get that groovy junior couple from India back from 2006 who couldn't skate at all. They were an insurance liability to themselves and each other.
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    Is Gosviani for sure Russia's 3rd woman at worlds?
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    If you can't raise the bridge, lower the river. :D
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    Still :wuzrobbed of the voidy Aussie dancers making the Worlds cut. I hope they can manage the scores at 4CCs.
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    You're not taking spots away from anyone, you're just insuring that the best skaters in the world get to go
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    I disagree.

    First, there is no reason to believe that the ISU is going to ease up on the number of entrants for its championships. If the ISU allowed Japan to send its top six men to Worlds, it would also set higher minimum scores -- ones that would surely keep out skaters from smaller federations.

    Second, the ISU currently determines the number of entries per country at the following year's Worlds, Junior Worlds, Europeans, and Olympics partly on how each federation's skaters place in the pertinent ISU Championship. It's not inconceivable that if Japan could send its top six men, they would all finish toward the top of the heap and keep other federations from gaining second or third entries at next year's Worlds and at the Olympics.

    Third, the IOC looks at the number of participating federations when deciding whether to retain a sport or an event. That is why they dropped baseball and softball from the list of Olympic sports. If the ISU's World Championship in, say, Pairs, regularly had no more than eighteen entries from a total five federations, seven entries from one of those federations and only one entry from another, the IOC might well drop the event. If that pattern were repeated in the other disciplines, it might dispense with figure skating completely.
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    ^^ I had the impression that Tony Wheeler's idea had nothing to do with minimum scores. It was all GPF qualifiers and the top 12 from 4CC's and Euro's. That's 30 competitiors no matter what. Where they're from depends on how well they did throughout the season, not on anything in the previous season. It'd make 4 continents matter more too, and politicing at nationals not as dependant. For pairs and dance, I'm sure they could do the GPF qualifiers and top 9 from 4 CC's and Euro's (24 teams). Seems fair to me.
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    Russian World team hasn't been announced yet. It will be after the Russian Cup.

    You are. The number of spots is finite (and the minimum scores get adjusted accordingly).

    Yes and that means that since there's only 30 spots and multiple skaters from certain countries, there's less spots from skaters from other countries.
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    If then GPF skaters got automatic entry to Worlds, then what happens to then overlap of the GPF skaters and their regional championship? This year, there were four Japanese Men and one from Canada. Two of the Japanese Men are going to 4C's. Does that mean the Top 14 skaters from 4C's go, and the Top 13 skaters from Euros go, with one GPF overlap spot for Fernandez?

    Under this proposal, I were the Japanese Fed, I would have sent Mura, Oda, and the next Japanese Man in line to 4C's, because all three are likely to make the Top 12 at 4C's, and have seven Men at Worlds. If I were Russia, I'd have sent S/K and two of the other Pairs to Euros, to get six Pairs to Worlds and two other Dance teams with R/T, to get five Dance teams to Worlds.
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    I mean... this was just a very brief suggestion that would have to be further looked into ;)

    I think that the Grand Prix Final qualifiers should automatically be sent to Worlds-- regardless of country and the maximum amount of spots. So you theoretically have six spots taken in each of the disciplines.

    I'd have to think of how the entries for 4CC and Euros would be formed to begin with... What if we went with 30 entries for ladies/men in those events-- each country allowed to send three maximum skaters ON TOP of the amount that have qualified for the Final (Japan this year would get seven skaters at Four Continents). The entries could be based on the Seasons Best scores to that point*, and then the final six spots going to countries next in line but do not have a skater qualified yet. If that system was used, the Seasons Best list would have to reflect every ISU event, not just the JGP, GP, and Majors.

    *Maybe it could be that the skaters within the Seasons Best represent their countries, but don't necessarily get the spots. IE Jeremy Abbott would be the highest-ranked US skater, but if he finished out of the medals at Nationals, then the USA could send whoever they want to fight for a Worlds spot. It makes Nationals actually worth something still rather than basing all entries off of international competitions (which would obviously put some skaters completely out of the running).

    Let's look at Four Continents and use the World Standings instead of Seasons Best (as explained why above). You would have the following skaters/countries competing:

    GPFQUAL Daisuke Takahashi
    GPFQUAL Yuzuru Hanyu
    GPFQUAL Patrick Chan
    GPFQUAL Tatsuki Machida
    1 JPN1
    2 USA1
    3 KAZ1
    4 USA2
    5 JPN2
    6 USA3
    7 JPN3
    8 CHN1
    9 CAN1
    10 CHN2
    11 UZB1
    12 CHN3
    13 KAZ2
    14 CAN2
    15 PHI1
    16 CAN3
    17 KOR1
    18 PHI2
    19 KOR2
    20 HKG1
    ---
    Six extra spots to countries with no skater represented yet:
    21 BRA1
    22 AUS1
    23 TPE1
    And you're already done with all the possible countries.. so I'd suggest the three Final spots would go back to the highest ranked in seasons best without three representatives already (again here, it's using World Standing)
    24 KOR3
    25 AUS2
    26 TPE2

    So there is your field of 30. Since Four Continents doesn't have as many countries/skaters as Euros, every country ends up getting at least two skaters except Brazil-- more than what the current system is even allowing. I probably should have done Euros, but you get the idea. Countries like Mexico would still have no entries because there are no skaters in the World Standings (but probably would be in the Seasons Best).

    Now, for Worlds, those four men listed at the beginning already have their tickets, along with two European men. That means 30 spots are up for grabs (if we are going for the 36 entries, six warm-up groups idea). If you gave the top 12 here a ticket (FOLLOWING the GPF auto qualifiers) as well as the top 12 at Europeans, then you have 30 entries. The system of adding six spots to countries with no entry would be applied here as well.

    I know there are some questions/problems.. off the top of my head-- the balance between 4CC/Euros and how a 12th place at one event might not be anywhere near the level at the other. Also, if we are using Seasons Best scores, the question of comparing between competitions comes into play.

    In the end, I just think that using both the technical minimum AND the spots earned by skater placement in the previous year is somewhat ridiculous. It's like saying that they are going to try to get the best of the best with those scores but still limit some of the best from having the chance to compete.

    PS- I know it's a lot of ideas thrown together and some of them aren't completely expanded upon, but it's a start, right?
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    SKATERS WHO HAVE REACHED THE SP SCORE BUT STILL NEED THE LP SCORE
    Country NAME TES-SP Comp Season

    *AUT SCHULZ, Sabrina 27.03 DT 11-12

    Sabrina SCHULZ AUT 46.20 Ice Callenge Graz
    she had made the Worlds TES FS minimum at Ice Challenge
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    It is arguable, expecially considering that some event results might have been affected by the fact that skaters where after minimum TES.

    Some skaters probably sacrified their presentation in order to secure their TES, which could have ended up placing them lower than they could have placed. Some skaters may have been too tired in some events because they had been travelling competition to competition until they made the minimum TES, again resulting in a lower placement or in a season preparation challange.
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    I know this season isn't quite over but let's fast forward to Dance next season- there are a few couples going to worlds this season courtesy of gaining the TES last season, as this "Q mark" is only good for the next season it means some couples who didn't "renew" this season will be out there trying to post the mark with the short dance being the Finn step.

    With any luck ISU will wake up and see that all the introduction of the minimum score has done is open up the chance for technical panels to profit. It is known among skaters that deals have been done and this has been highlighted by the number of couples at European Championships with the Q mark who were not able to get anywhere near this at a major competition.

    Will this make world championships a better event? Couples who came 20th and 25th last worlds have been unable to buy their way in and there are no couples from China qualified. Will this have any effect on the teams event?

    Can couples who don't do Worlds get into Grand Prix event if they don't do worlds but have high rankings?
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    For both the Olympic team event and World Team Trophy, 4C's results are valid championship results in calculating whether the country qualifies, ten for the Olympic SP/SD and six for WTT. If China is one of the Top 10 teams in the points qualification system, for the Olympic event, they can appoint a team, even if the country doesn't earn at least one spot at Worlds or at the Olympic qualfier, and if or they do qualify, but they team don't make the Olympic TES minimums, which have yet to be defined. Obviously, the strength of their teams in World Standings, which is based on placements throughout the season, will impact whether they are one of those teams, and, if they are, the strength the appointed Dance team in the Olympic Team Event will determine whether they make it into the FS/FD final/how they do there.

    Yes. GP spots are also guaranteed to teams in the Top 24 Season's Best list, which includes scores from junior and senior GP's, GPF, 4C's/Euros, as well as Worlds. Same for the Top 24 in World Standings, where the championship points can be from 4C's/Euros or Worlds. The lists are recalculated at the end of the season. Also, at least this year, Jr. Worlds medalists and JGPF champions who turn senior. Top 75 skaters on the SB list can be invited. Then there are host spots, up to three in each discipline, so the Chinese Dancers (and all three Japanese teams) are covered, if their Fed wants to send them to their event.
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    Just to put it into perspective, Camilla Gjersem has just skated an SP with: 3loop/2toe, 3toe and 2axel. And she was a little short of reaching the minimum score (TES 25.73). Yes she had some slightly negative GOEs and her levels could have been better but you really can't argue that this kind of technical content isn't good enough to warrant competing at Worlds.

    It's one thing to want to ensure a competitive standard of skating, it's another to turn ISU Championships into an exclusive club for the select few. :(
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    The SP TES minimums as set last year were to ensure that the skaters were capable of delivering the minimum requirements -- low level jumps, L1 elements. I don't think I ever did the math on the FS minimums, but they weren't very high. Earlier this year, there was one skater who didn't make the old minimum (28) with a 3F and 3Lo in her SP.

    While Euros/4C's minimums this year were a little higher, but not much more, none of the championship minimums were set to ensure any standards: they were simply set to reduce the fields to eliminate the preliminary rounds. That will always mean in a highly competitive field, athletes with strong content will be left out because other athletes are stronger. In weaker fields, the minimums are lowered to ensure a certain range of entries. If there were 15 Ladies who met the minimums, they would have lowered the minimums until they got their 25-30, regardless of the level of the competitors.

    The reasoning is that it's too expensive to hold preliminary rounds and too taxing for the judges to have very large fields in the SP/SD. Whether this means they're spending money unwisely or arguably unfairly -- i.e., taking the reduced TV money from figure skating and distributing it to speed skating or first class accommodations for ISU officials instead of coach/shared rooms for more skaters vs. spending these revenue streams or some of the top GP prize money to support their biggest championship -- is another story.
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    After Bavarian Cup:

    Tina STURZINGER (SUI) and Alexei BYCHENKO (ISR) got their missing scores needed. So you can add one spot for mor Men and Ladies :D
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    So did Nicole Rajicova (SVK) taking 3 place with solid performance.
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    True but Simancikova is going to Worlds for SVK.
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    Is that confirmed?