ISU has lowered the 2013 Worlds minimum scores (TES) for men, ladies & pairs

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=4235
     
  2. victorskid

    victorskid Skating supporter

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    I presume this means that not enough skaters had qualified to fill the field at Worlds in these three disciplines.
     
  3. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    Exactly what I thought would happen. I was afraid they will not change dance since there is already a potential field of 28 teams, more than 25 which was the limit of entries for the Short dance the last 2 years.
     
  4. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    not surprising :shuffle:

    glad more teams from smaller federations have a chance to compete again
     
  5. Sasha'sSpins

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    I thought the same.
     
  6. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    It sucks for dance. Only 28 teams not all of whom will probably be able to complete makes for a very small field. :(

    EVILLE ISU.
     
  7. SamuraiK

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    Ok with these numbers the ladies with min scores by country would be (I'll add the competitions later if wanted). In the case of countries with more skaters than spots available im highlighting who is the world team member.



    SKATERS WHO HAVE REACHED BOTH WORLD MINIMUN SCORES
    Country Name TES-SP TES-LP
    AUSTRALIA(1 spot)
    *AUS Brooklee HAN 27.7 47.6
    AUSTRIA(1 spot)
    *AUT Kerstin FRANK 28.8 51.7
    BRAZIL(1 spot)
    *BRA Isadora WILLIAMS 27.2 49.2
    CANADA (1 spot)
    *CAN Alaine CHARTRAND 26.2 49.5
    *CAN Amelie LACOSTE 31.9 48.0
    *CAN Gabrielle DALEMAN 30.4 47.3 (not age eligible)
    *CAN Kaetlyn OSMOND 33.2 59.2 (world team)
    CHINA(2 spots)
    *CHN Kexin ZHANG 32.8 58.3
    *CHN Zijun LI 33.8 59.4
    *CHN Ziquan ZHAO 31.5 52.4 (not age eligible)
    ESTONIA(1 spot)
    *EST Elena GLEBOVA 31.6 53.1
    *EST Gerli LIINAMÄE 29.4 51.8
    FINLAND(1 spot)
    *FIN Juulia TURKKILA 28.9 47.3
    *FIN Kiira KORPI 36.9 56.1 (world team)
    FRANCE(1 spot)
    *FRA Lena MARROCCO 28.6 51.8
    *FRA Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY 30.5 54.1
    *FRA Mae Berenice MEITE 30.7 53.8 (world team ??)
    *FRA Yretha SILETE 31.4 55.9
    GEORGIA(2 spots)
    *GEO Elene GEDEVANISHVILI 31.5 51.2
    GERMANY(1 spot)
    *GER Nathalie WEINZIERL 30.8 52.2
    *GER Sarah HECKEN 30.0 49.4
    GREAT BRITAIN(1 spots)
    *GBR Jenna MCCORKELL 30.4 56.1
    ITALY(3 spots)
    *ITA Carolina KOSTNER 36.3 63.2
    *ITA Roberta RODEGHIERO 27.7 48.8
    *ITA Valentina MARCHEI 30.6 54.8
    JAPAN(3 spots)
    *JPN Akiko SUZUKI 36.5 64.5
    *JPN Haruka IMAI 29.2 56.8
    *JPN Haruna SUZUKI 30.2 46.8
    *JPN Kako TOMOTAKI 29.3 53.5
    J*JPN Kanako MURAKAMI 35.2 55.5
    *JPN Mao ASADA 35.7 63.5
    *JPN Miu SATO 28.2 54.8
    *JPN Miyabi OBA 29.6 50.1
    *JPN Rika HONGO 31.8 54.8
    *JPN Risa SHOJI 31.0 52.6
    *JPN Satoko MIYAHARA 32.8 58.6 (not age elegible)
    *JPN Yuka NAGAI 26.9 46.4
    *JPN Yuki NISHINO 30.3 48.2
    LATVIA(1 spot)
    *GBR Jenna MCCORKELL 30.4 56.1
    [BLITHUANIA[/B](1 spot)
    *GBR Jenna MCCORKELL 30.4 56.1
    RUSSIA(3 spots)
    *RUS Adelina SOTNIKOVA 37.3 62.4 (world team)
    *RUS Alena LEONOVA 34.6 60.6
    *RUS Anna POGORILAYA 33.3 60.5 (not age eligible)
    *RUS Anna SHERSHAK 28.1 47.8 (not age eligible)
    *RUS Elena RADIONOVA 36.8 66.4 (not age eligible)
    *RUS Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA 35.0 70.0 (world team)
    *RUS Evgenia GERASIMOVA 28.7 52.0 (not age eligible)
    *RUS Julia LIPNITSKAIA 36.4 67.3 (not age eligible)
    *RUS Kristina ZASEEVA 29.4 52.2
    *RUS Ksenia MAKAROVA 31.8 46.0
    *RUS Maria STAVITSKAIA 34.5 52.8 (not age eligible)
    *RUS Nikol GOSVIANI 29.5 50.5 (world team =????)
    *RUS Polina AGAFONOVA 32.3 54.5
    *RUS Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA 28.4 63.6
    *RUS Polina SHELEPEN 30.3 61.1
    *RUS Sofia BIRYUKOVA 32.3 55.5
    *RUS Ulyana TITUSHKINA 32.6 48.1 (not age eligible)
    SOUTH KOREA(1 spot)
    *KOR Hae-Jin KIM 32.7 55.5
    *KOR So-Youn PARK 30.0 49.9 (not age eligible)
    *KOR Yeon Jun PARK 26.4 48.7
    *KOR Yuna KIM 37.4 60.8 (world team)
    SLOVAKIA(1 spot)
    *SVK Monika SIMANCIKOVA 27.5 47.6
    SPAIN(1 spot)
    *ESP Sonia LAFUENTE 29.0 53.4
    SWEDEN(1 spot)
    *SWE Isabelle OLSSON 30.5 54.4
    *SWE Joshi HELGESSON 29.8 53.4
    *SWE Linnea MELLGREN 27.8 46.6
    *SWE Viktoria HELGESSON 29.4 50.7 (world team)
    UKRAINE(1 spot)
    *UKR Natalia POPOVA 28.3 55.9
    UNITED STATES(2 spots)
    *USA Agnes ZAWADZKI 35.4 51.6
    *USA Alissa CZISNY 33.0 60.1
    *USA Angela WANG 34.9 58.9
    *USA Ashley WAGNER 35.0 66.6 (world team)
    *USA Barbie LONG 30.4 51.3
    *USA Caroline ZHANG 32.8 63.3
    *USA Christina GAO 31.0 60.6
    *USA Courtney HICKS 27.9 55.0
    *USA Gracie GOLD 35.3 61.7 (world team)
    *USA Hannah MILLER 33.8 56.2
    *USA Katarina KULGEYKO 26.7 49.2
    *USA Leah KEISER 32.0 58.0 (not age elegible)
    *USA Mirai NAGASU 32.4 56.4
    *USA Rachael FLATT 29.1 47.4
    *USA Samantha CESARIO 31.1 55.9
    *USA Vanessa LAM 30.5 58.1

    TOTAL WORLDS FIELD SO FAR: 30 SKATERS OUT OF 22 COUNTRIES.

    I'll post other cateogories later.
     
  8. DarrellH

    DarrellH New Member

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    Jenna McCorkell looks to be really busy.:D

    I tease. Thank you for putting that list together.
     
  9. ehdtkqorl123

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    Ha! I have never seen a sport that changes its own rules in the middle of a season!
    Ridiculous...
     
  10. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Thanks a million, SamuraiK. So of course the EVILLE ISU lowered the minimums as little as possible, to make sure we didn't by any chance end up with more than 30 skaters in the SP. :mad:

    Yeah, because it would be much better if they didn't lower the scores and excluded a number of skaters.

    Once the minimum scores were announced, ISU did say that they were subject to change depending on how many skaters managed to reach them.
     
  11. ioana

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    I'm pretty sure Denmark should be able to sent Anita Madsen SP 27.29 at Euros, LP 49.66 at Nordics.
     
  12. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

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    What would be best would be to set the minimums to something reasonable and defensible and then not change them. At least they did say they might change them so they aren't at least changing the rules in the middle of the season like they have done in the past. Basically they are saying "we're setting these numbers but we have no idea if they are a good idea or not so reserve the right to change our minds later if it turns out these numbers are shite" which makes them look stupid and our sport look stupid.
     
  13. Skittl1321

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    Almost seems like instead of a minimum score Worlds is should just be opened to the top 30 skaters by combined score over the period of time to gain a qualifying score. It would just become a Japan vs Russia vs USA and a few others contest, but it would seem less impulsive. Or maybe they keep the numbers per country rules the same, but still pick down the list (which would mean federations give up control of who they send- but really, for most federations, is there much of a choice?)
     
  14. Coco

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    Gymnastics does this all the time, at least in the US. They set a qualifying score, then as the championship gets closer, tweaks it to make sure the size of the field is adequate.
     
  15. ioana

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    I think it would have been far worse if they didn't lower these minimums and kept the smaller fields we had based on the initial numbers. Yes, some skaters will still miss out on Worlds and this is still prohibitive for developing skating countries, but I still feel lowering the min scores was the right move in these circumstances. Maybe we could just go back to skaters/federation who miss making the cut having to pay for their room&board while at Worlds?
     
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  16. AJ Skatefan

    AJ Skatefan Well-Known Member

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    Could someone explain again why they don't just take the top 20 or 30 or whatever?
     
  17. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

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    Worse than not having minimums to start with?

    Either the minimums truly mean something or they do not. I can see saying: we don't want any skaters at our World Championships who don't meet a certain skill level. But, if you say that, stick to it.

    The problem is that minimum score way of doing things it kind of arbitrary. It's different than saying "no Ladies skaters without at least a Double Axel" which is a minimum you can defend.
     
  18. Tony Wheeler

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    Ignatenko (BLR), Gorodozha (UKR), Lucine (MON), and Pfeifer (AUT) would all definitely make the qualification for Worlds, too, which means men and ladies are now at 30+ entries (and I am sure other men have also now qualified, but it gets to be a headache looking through all the numbers).

    Add Ronald Lam (HKG), Christopher Caluza and Michael Christian Martinez (both PHI) to the above list. Caluza won Nationals by 35 points so I'd guess he goes to Worlds, but maybe they will wait until after 4CC?

    Abzal Rakimgaliev (KAZ) now qualifies and will be able to join teammate Denis Ten at Worlds.

    AFAIK, Paul Parkinson (ITA) hasn't gotten a 60 technically in the LP yet so Italy would, to this point, still only be able to use one of their two spots (Bacchini).

    Also, Balde (CAN) now is qualified and I guess it will come down to whoever places higher between Elladj and Andrei Rogozine at 4CC this week for the final Canadian spot.
     
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2013
  19. ioana

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    Well, once you get into specific jump requirements, you end up getting into debates about callers and leniency of specific panels. I'm not sure what the best solution would be -other than going back to much lower mins and having skaters who miss out on the cut pay for their own room & board at ISU championships.

    I agree lowering the minimums isn't ideal, but I would rather have that happen (especially when the ISU mentioned that could take place), instead of having only 20 entries in one event. I might have misunderstood your original post, but it sounded like you were in favor of maintaining the original mins, arbitrary as they were, instead of having more skaters compete in London.
     
  20. Ziggy

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    It doesn't make them stupid. You can't expect ISU (or anybody else) to predict the future. And the idea is to reduce the fields down to a manageable size because of financial reasons. If the fields are too big (or too small in this case) scores will have to be adjusted.

    That (having top 30 skaters regardless of country they represent) would pretty instantly kill figure skating in the vast majority of countries in the world.

    Instead of setting a minimum score, they should just have X spots available at Euros/4CC/Worlds and invite X highest scored skaters keeping the number per country rule.

    I would open the fields up a little, though. Allow Top 36 singles to compete in the SP (6 warm-up groups) as well as 24 Pairs (6 warm-up groups) and 30 Ice Dance teams (again 6 warm-up groups). But of course that would be too expensive for the organisers so it won't happen. :/
     
  21. Tony Wheeler

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    I came up with an idea along those lines a few months ago. I thought that all Grand Prix Final qualifiers should automatically get a Worlds spot, regardless of country (ie the four Japanese men this year). Then, maybe the top 12 or so at Europeans or 4CC each (in singles, for this instance). That's 30 spots. Then if you wanted to stick to 36 entries, maybe allow the 6 next countries in line in seasons best score without an entry to allow their skater to compete.
     
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  22. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    The ISU never said the high minimums were to ensure a certain technical level of skating: they said they set them to eliminate the preliminary round and to limit the number of skaters in the SP. They also said they'd adjust the scores if needed to get the proper field size.

    It was clear from how high the initial scores were that they were aiming high and would adjust lower if need be. There were several ways to do it: by allowing skaters to combine their scores to see if they reached the total of the two individual scores, or to tweak both scores. Every skater entering internationals where s/he had the privilege and support to do so knew s/he might have reached an adjusted score(s) without the competition, and every skater for whom it was practical to attend an international, but chose not to because they guessed the score would not be lowered (or lowered enough), took a gamble. Lowering the scores was a happy bonus for some skaters, a cause for stress, a nail-biter, or any of the above, but they all knew the deal going into the season.
     
  23. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    These are the scores I've found for this season -- I don't have last year's data -- that didn't meet the old minimums, but meet the new ones:

    Ladies:
    New Nebelhorn Senior Ladies FS Brooklee HAN AUS 47.64
    New Nebelhorn Senior Ladies SP Brooklee HAN AUS 27.72
    New Ice Challenge Senior Ladies SP Kerstin FRANK AUT 26.85
    New NRW Trophy Senior Ladies SP Kerstin FRANK AUT 27.42
    New Ice Challenge Junior Ladies FS Sabrina SCHULZ AUT 46.2
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Kaat VAN DAELE BEL 27.16
    New Golden Spin Senior Ladies SP Isadora WILLIAMS BRA 26.7
    New Santa Claus Cup Junior Ladies SP Anna AFONKINA BUL 26.66
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Senior Ladies SP Anna AFONKINA BUL 26.17
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Ladies SP Alaine CHARTRAND CAN 26.22
    New US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Ladies FS Amelie LACOSTE CAN 47.99
    New Skate Canada Senior Ladies SP Amelie LACOSTE CAN 27.84
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Ladies FS Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 47.21
    New JGP Linz Junior Ladies FS Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 47.32
    New JGP Linz Junior Ladies SP Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 26.69
    New JGP Courchevel Junior Ladies SP Julianne SEGUIN CAN 26.57
    New Cup of China Senior Ladies FS Ying ZHANG CHN 46.97
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Senior Ladies SP Ziquan ZHAO CHN 27.05
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Ladies FS Elizaveta UKOLOVA CZE 46.04
    New NRW Trophy Junior Ladies FS Elizaveta UKOLOVA CZE 46.17
    New New Year's Cup 2013 Senior Ladies SP Jana COUFALOVA CZE 26.37
    New Ice Challenge Senior Ladies SP Laura RASZYKOVA CZE 26.86
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Anita MADSEN DEN 27.29
    New NRW Trophy Senior Ladies FS Sonia LAFUENTE ESP 46.9
    New US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Ladies FS Elena GLEBOVA EST 46.93
    New Ice Challenge Senior Ladies FS Gerli LIINAMAE EST 47.14
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Senior Ladies SP Svetlana ISSAKOVA EST 26.27
    New Cup of Nice Junior Ladies FS Jenni SAARINEN FIN 47.13
    New Ice Star Junior Ladies SP Jenni SAARINEN FIN 26.24
    New Finlandia Senior Ladies FS Juulia TURKKILA FIN 47.33
    New Cup of Nice Senior Ladies SP Juulia TURKKILA FIN 26.93
    New Nebelhorn Senior Ladies SP Juulia TURKKILA FIN 27.64
    New Cup of Nice Junior Ladies SP Liubov EFIMENKO FIN 27.68
    New Cup of Nice Junior Ladies SP Laurine LECAVELIER FRA 26.55
    New JGP Bled Junior Ladies SP Laurine LECAVELIER FRA 26.69
    New Merano Cup Senior Ladies SP Lenaelle GILLERON GORRY FRA 26.47
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 27.49
    New Ondrej Nepala Senior Ladies SP Jenna MCCORKELL GBR 27.87
    New Tirnavia Ice Cup Junior Ladies SP Lutricia BOCK GER 26.83
    New Ice Challenge Junior Ladies SP Minami HANASHIRO GER 26.47
    New Warsaw Cup Senior Ladies FS Sandy HOFFMANN GER 47.83
    New New Year's Cup 2013 Senior Ladies SP Sarah HECKEN GER 27.9
    New Golden Spin Senior Ladies FS Carolina KOSTNER ITA 47.37
    New Crystal Skate Senior Ladies SP Roberta RODEGHIERO ITA 27.43
    New Denkova-Staviski Cup Senior Ladies SP Valentina MARCHEI ITA 26.73
    New Golden Spin Senior Ladies SP Valentina MARCHEI ITA 26.73
    New Skate Canada Senior Ladies SP Akiko SUZUKI JPN 26.17
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Ladies SP Kako TOMOTAKI JPN 26.09
    New Skate Canada Senior Ladies SP Kanako MURAKAMI JPN 27.7
    New JGP Bled Junior Ladies FS Miu SATO JPN 46.88
    New JGP Istanbul Junior Ladies FS Miyabi OBA JPN 46.79
    New Asian FS Trophy Junior Ladies SP Miyahara SATOKO JPN 26.89
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Ladies SP Satoko MIYAHARA JPN 26.22
    New JGP Linz Junior Ladies FS Yuka NAGAI JPN 46.42
    New Asian FS Trophy Junior Ladies SP Yuka NAGAI JPN 26.9
    New JGP Linz Junior Ladies SP Yuka NAGAI JPN 26.44
    New JGP Istanbul Junior Ladies FS So Youn PARK KOR 47.1
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Alina FJODOROVA LAT 26.24
    New Ice Star Junior Ladies SP Aleksandra GOLOVKINA LTU 27.33
    New Warsaw Cup Junior Ladies SP Aleksandra GOLOVKINA LTU 26.99
    New Warsaw Cup Senior Ladies FS Inga JANULEVICIUTE LTU 46.39
    New Warsaw Cup Senior Ladies SP Inga JANULEVICIUTE LTU 27.87
    New Cup of Nice Senior Ladies SP Fleur MAXWELL LUX 27.42
    New Crystal Skate Senior Ladies SP Reyna HAMUI MEX 26.41
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Anne Line GJERSEM NOR 26.5
    New NRW Trophy Senior Ladies SP Anne Line GJERSEM NOR 27.71
    New NRW Trophy Senior Ladies FS Kristina ZASEEVA RUS 47.9
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Ladies SP Kristina ZASEEVA RUS 26.21
    New NRW Trophy Senior Ladies SP Kristina ZASEEVA RUS 27.81
    New JGP Linz Junior Ladies SP Maria STAVITSKAYA RUS 26.48
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Nikol GOSVIANI RUS 27.71
    New Rostelecom Cup Senior Ladies SP Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS 26.42
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Ladies SP Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS 27.33
    New Ice Star Senior Ladies FS Polina SHELEPEN RUS 47.39
    New Golden Spin Senior Ladies SP Polina SHELEPEN RUS 26.84
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Tina STUERZINGER SUI 26.52
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Ladies FS Monika SIMANCIKOVA SVK 46.84
    New European Championships Senior Ladies FS Monika SIMANCIKOVA SVK 46.27
    New Ice Challenge Senior Ladies FS Monika SIMANCIKOVA SVK 47.64
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Monika SIMANCIKOVA SVK 27.48
    New NRW Trophy Senior Ladies SP Monika SIMANCIKOVA SVK 26.3
    New Ondrej Nepala Senior Ladies SP Monika SIMANCIKOVA SVK 26.17
    New Ice Challenge Senior Ladies SP Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 26.4
    New Merano Cup Senior Ladies SP Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 27.19
    New Finlandia Senior Ladies SP Isabelle OLSSON SWE 27.49
    New European Championships Senior Ladies FS Viktoria HELGESSON SWE 46.72
    New Nebelhorn Senior Ladies FS Viktoria HELGESSON SWE 47.68
    New European Championships Senior Ladies SP Viktoria HELGESSON SWE 27.88
    New Rostelecom Cup Senior Ladies SP Viktoria HELGESSON SWE 26.67
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Junior Ladies SP Anna HNYCHENKOVA UKR 27.84
    New Warsaw Cup Senior Ladies FS Natalia POPOVA UKR 47.89
    New JGP Linz Junior Ladies SP Natalia POPOVA UKR 26.93
    New NRW Trophy Senior Ladies SP Natalia POPOVA UKR 26.33
    New Warsaw Cup Senior Ladies SP Natalia POPOVA UKR 26.93
    New NHK Trophy Senior Ladies SP Agnes ZAWADZKI USA 27.73
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Ladies SP Angela WANG USA 26.24
    New Skate Canada Senior Ladies FS Caroline ZHANG USA 46.96
    New Skate Canada Senior Ladies SP Caroline ZHANG USA 27.67
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Ladies SP Christina GAO USA 26.48
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Ladies SP Courtney HICKS USA 27.85
    New Skate Canada Senior Ladies SP Gracie GOLD USA 27.53
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Ladies SP Hannah MILLER USA 27.88
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Ladies FS Kiri BAGA USA 46.71
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Ladies FS Leah KEISER USA 46.21
    New Finlandia Senior Ladies SP Mirai NAGASU USA 26.2
    New Skate America Senior Ladies FS Rachael FLATT USA 47.44
    New JGP Courchevel Junior Ladies SP Vanessa LAM USA 26.92

    SamuraiK did the updated list :respec:

    Men:
    New European Championships Senior Men FS Viktor PFEIFER AUT 61.21
    New Ice Challenge Senior Men SP Viktor PFEIFER AUT 33.07
    New European Championships Senior Men FS Pavel IGNATENKO BLR 61.94
    New European Championships Senior Men SP Pavel IGNATENKO BLR 33.38
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men FS Elladj BALDE CAN 62.04
    New Skate Canada Senior Men FS Elladj BALDE CAN 61.56
    New JGP Istanbul Junior Men SP Nam NGUYEN CAN 32.8
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Men SD Boyang JIN CHN 32.13
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Men FS Jinlin GUAN CHN 61.14
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Men SP Jinlin GUAN CHN 34.44
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Men SP Nan SONG CHN 34.65
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men FS Michal BREZINA CZE 64.13
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men SP Michal BREZINA CZE 32.84
    New Skate America Senior Men SP Michal BREZINA CZE 33.93
    New Merano Cup Senior Men FS Pavel KASKA CZE 61.14
    New JGP Linz Junior Men FS Petr COUFAL CZE 61.59
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men FS Tomas VERNER CZE 62.79
    New Skate America Senior Men FS Tomas VERNER CZE 64.63
    New European Championships Senior Men SP Tomas VERNER CZE 33.27
    New Ondrej Nepala Senior Men SP Tomas VERNER CZE 34.23
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Senior Men SP Viktor ROMANENKOV EST 32.7
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Men FS Brian JOUBERT FRA 62.32
    New Cup of Nice Senior Men FS Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA 63.65
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Men FS Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA 63.82
    New Cup of Nice Junior Men FS Simon HOCQUAUX FRA 60.03
    New NRW Trophy Senior Men FS Denis WIECZOREK GER 61.93
    New NRW Trophy Senior Men SP Denis WIECZOREK GER 33.11
    New NRW Trophy Senior Men FS Franz STREUBEL GER 61.23
    New New Year's Cup 2013 Senior Men FS Franz STREUBEL GER 63.69
    New Ice Challenge Senior Men SP Franz STREUBEL GER 33.73
    New NRW Trophy Senior Men SP Franz STREUBEL GER 33.42
    New Ice Challenge Senior Men FS Martin RAPPE GER 60.4
    New Ice Challenge Senior Men SP Martin RAPPE GER 33.61
    New Warsaw Cup Senior Men SP Paul FENTZ GER 32.23
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men FS Peter LIEBERS GER 62.12
    New Cup of Nice Senior Men SP Peter LIEBERS GER 34.68
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Senior Men FS Ronald LAM HKG 61.68
    New US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Men FS Shiu Ting Ronald LAM HKG 60.21
    New European Championships Senior Men FS Alexei BYCHENKO ISR 60.72
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men FS Alexei BYCHENKO ISR 60.02
    New Ice Star Junior Men SP Matteo RIZZO ITA 32.1
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men FS Paolo BACCHINI ITA 61.49
    New US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Men SP Paul Bonifacio PARKINSON ITA 32.63
    New Ondrej Nepala Senior Men SP Daisuke MURAKAMI JPN 34.45
    New JGP Bled Junior Men SP Keiji TANAKA JPN 32.33
    New JGP Courchevel Junior Men SP Ryuju HINO JPN 33.6
    New JGP Linz Junior Men SP Ryuju HINO JPN 33.41
    New JGP Linz Junior Men SP Sei KAWAHARA JPN 34.66
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Men FS Shoma UNO JPN 60.76
    New JGP Bled Junior Men SP Shoma UNO JPN 32.56
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Men SP Shoma UNO JPN 33.62
    New Grand Prix Final Senior Men SP Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN 34.3
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men SP Denis TEN KAZ 33.59
    New European Championships Senior Men SP Kim LUCINE MON 34.91
    New Ice Challenge Senior Men SP Christopher CALUZA PHI 33.87
    New Cup of Nice Junior Men FS Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 62.64
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Senior Men FS Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 62.86
    New New Year's Cup 2013 Senior Men FS Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 62.48
    New Crystal Skate Senior Men SP Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 32.24
    New NRW Trophy Senior Men SP Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 32.26
    New European Championships Senior Men FS Maciej CIEPLUCHA POL 60.09
    New Finlandia Senior Men FS Maciej CIEPLUCHA POL 61.31
    New Crystal Skate Senior Men SP Zoltan KELEMEN ROU 33.03
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Men SP Adian PITKEEV RUS 32.26
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Junior Men SP Aleksander PETROV RUS 33.47
    New JGP Istanbul Junior Men SP Alexander PETROV RUS 33.28
    New JGP Bled Junior Men FS Alexander SAMARIN RUS 62.88
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Men FS Alexander SAMARIN RUS 61.74
    New JGP Bled Junior Men SP Alexander SAMARIN RUS 32.64
    New JGP Linz Junior Men SP Andrei LAZUKIN RUS 32.79
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Men FS Andrei ZUBER RUS 62.36
    New Rostelecom Cup Senior Men FS Artur GACHINSKI RUS 62.79
    New Skate Canada Senior Men FS Artur GACHINSKI RUS 63.4
    New Skate Canada Senior Men SP Artur GACHINSKI RUS 34.14
    New NRW Trophy Junior Men SP Feodosiy EFREMENKOV RUS 33.8
    New Cup of Nice Senior Men FS Mark SHAKHMATOV RUS 64.45
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Men FS Maxim KOVTUN RUS 61.13
    New Cup of Nice Senior Men FS Vladislav SEZGANOV RUS 60
    New Golden Spin Senior Men FS Vladislav SEZGANOV RUS 62.59
    New NRW Trophy Junior Men FS Vladislav SMIRNOV RUS 64.24
    New Volvo Cup 2013 Junior Men SP Vladislav SMIRNOV RUS 33.63
    New Finlandia Senior Men FS Zhan BUSH RUS 60.44
    New European Championships Senior Men FS Stephane WALKER SUI 61.9
    New Ice Challenge Senior Men FS Stephane WALKER SUI 61.22
    New Finlandia Senior Men FS Adrian SCHULTHEISS SWE 60.28
    New Skate America Senior Men FS Alexander MAJOROV SWE 61.02
    New NRW Trophy Senior Men FS Dmitriy IGNATENKO UKR 63.09
    New Ice Star Junior Men FS Ivan PAVLOV UKR 62.72
    New Ice Star Senior Men FS Yakov GODOROZHA UKR 62.73
    New European Championships Senior Men SP Yakov GODOROZHA UKR 32.76
    New Ice Star Senior Men SP Yakov GODOROZHA UKR 33.76
    New Cup of China Senior Men FS Adam RIPPON USA 61.81
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Men FS Harrison CHOATE USA 60.28
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Men SP Harrison CHOATE USA 34.26
    New JGP Istanbul Junior Men FS Jason BROWN USA 63.35
    New JGP Istanbul Junior Men SP Jason BROWN USA 33.27
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Men SP Jay YOSTANTO USA 33.14
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Men FS Jeremy ABBOTT USA 63.75
    New Rostelecom Cup Senior Men SP Richard DORNBUSH USA 33.11
    New US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Men SP Ross MINER USA 34.1
    New Nebelhorn Senior Men SP Stephen CARRIERE USA 33.1
    New US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Men SP Timothy DOLENSKY USA 32.6
    New Denkova-Staviski Cup Senior Men FS Misha GE UZB 63.74
    New Finlandia Senior Men FS Misha GE UZB 61.76
    New Golden Spin Senior Men FS Misha GE UZB 63.74
    New Ice Challenge Senior Men SP Misha GE UZB 33.34

    Pairs:
    New NRW Trophy Senior Pairs FS Angelina EKATERININA / Philipp TARASOV AZE 41.51
    New European Championships Senior Pairs FS Elizaveta MAKAROVA / Leri KENCHADZE BUL 43.06
    New Nesquick Cup Senior Pairs SP Elizaveta MAKAROVA / Leri KENCHADZE BUL 24.33
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs FS Brittany JONES / Ian BEHARRY CAN 44.02
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs SP Brittany JONES / Ian BEHARRY CAN 25.3
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Pairs SP Brittany JONES / Ian BEHARRY CAN 24.23
    New JGP Linz Junior Pairs FS Hayleigh BELL / Alistair SYLVESTER CAN 43.81
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Pairs FS Hayleigh BELL / Alistair SYLVESTER CAN 43.08
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Pairs SP Hayleigh BELL / Alistair SYLVESTER CAN 25.34
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Pairs SP Margaret PURDY / Michael MARINARO CAN 24.2
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Pairs SP Margaret PURDY / Michael MARINARO CAN 26.26
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Pairs SP Margaret PURDY / Michael MARINARO CAN 26.26
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs FS Natasha PURICH / Sebastien ARCIERI CAN 43.34
    New Rostelecom Cup Senior Pairs SP Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS CAN 25.85
    New Skate Canada Senior Pairs SP Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS CAN 25.9
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs FS Shalena RAU / Phelan SIMPSON CAN 43.02
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Pairs FS Shalena RAU / Phelan SIMPSON CAN 43.79
    New Cup of China Senior Pairs SP Wenting WANG / Yan ZHANG CHN 27.47
    New JGP Linz Junior Pairs SP Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN CHN 25.9
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Pairs SP Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN CHN 27.83
    New Nebelhorn Senior Pairs FS Daria POPOVA / Bruno MASSOT FRA 44.93
    New Nebelhorn Senior Pairs SP Daria POPOVA / Bruno MASSOT FRA 26.53
    New Skate Canada Senior Pairs SP Daria POPOVA / Bruno MASSOT FRA 25.53
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Pairs SP Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES FRA 26.04
    New European Championships Senior Pairs FS Stacey KEMP / David KING GBR 44.77
    New European Championships Senior Pairs SP Stacey KEMP / David KING GBR 25.24
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs FS Annabelle PRÖLß / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER 42.94
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Pairs FS Annabelle PRÖLß / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER 41.11
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs SP Annabelle PRÖLß / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER 26.98
    New NRW Trophy Junior Pairs SP Annabelle PRÖLß / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER 25.16
    New Warsaw Cup Junior Pairs SP Annabelle PRÖLß / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER 26.74
    New NRW Trophy Senior Pairs FS Mari VARTMANN / Aaron VAN CLEAVE GER 44.31
    New Ice Challenge Senior Pairs SP Danielle MONTALBANO / Evgeni KRASNOPOLSKI ISR 24.07
    New Nesquick Cup Junior Pairs SP Giulia FORESTI / Leoluca SFORZA ITA 25.73
    New Ondrej Nepala Senior Pairs FS Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA 41.13
    New European Championships Senior Pairs SP Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA 26.11
    New Rostelecom Cup Senior Pairs SP Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA 27.21
    New Ondrej Nepala Senior Pairs SP Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 27.8
    New Ondrej Nepala Senior Pairs SP Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS 25.64
    New Rostelecom Cup Senior Pairs SP Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS 26.7
    New Warsaw Cup Junior Pairs FS Arina CHERNIAVSKAYA / Antonio LAUDELINO RUS 41.64
    New NRW Trophy Junior Pairs FS Arina CHERNYAVSKAYA / Antonio CORDEYRO RUS 43.91
    New NRW Trophy Junior Pairs SP Arina CHERNYAVSKAYA / Antonio CORDEYRO RUS 24.88
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Pairs FS Kamilla GAINETDINOVA / Ivan BICH RUS 42.63
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Pairs SP Kamilla GAINETDINOVA / Ivan BICH RUS 27
    New Nesquick Cup Junior Pairs FS Kamilla GAYNETDINOVA / Ivan BICH RUS 44.71
    New Cup of China Senior Pairs SP Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 27.85
    New Cup of Nice Senior Pairs SP Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 24.14
    New European Championships Senior Pairs SP Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 26.54
    New Trophee Eric Bompard Senior Pairs SP Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 26.43
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs SP Maria VIGALOVA / Egor ZAKROEV RUS 25.62
    New JGP Linz Junior Pairs SP Maria VIGALOVA / Egor ZAKROEV RUS 27
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Pairs SP Maria VIGALOVA / Egor ZAKROEV RUS 26.83
    New JGP Lake Placid Junior Pairs SP Vasilisa DAVANKOVA / Andrei DEPUTAT RUS 27.16
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Pairs SP Vasilisa DAVANKOVA / Andrei DEPUTAT RUS 27.44
    New Jr. Grand Prix Final Junior Pairs SP Vasilisa DAVANKOVA / Andrei DEPUTAT RUS 27.52
    New Cup of Nice Senior Pairs SP Vasilisa DAVANKOVA / Andreï DEPUTAT RUS 26.46
    New Nebelhorn Senior Pairs SP Vera BAZAROVA / Yuri LARIONOV RUS 27.37
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs FS Britney SIMPSON / Matthew BLACKMER USA 43.91
    New JGP Linz Junior Pairs FS Britney SIMPSON / Matthew BLACKMER USA 43.01
    New JGP Chemnitz Junior Pairs SP Britney SIMPSON / Matthew BLACKMER USA 24.58
    New JGP Linz Junior Pairs SP Jessica CALALANG / Zack SIDHU USA 25.49
    New JGP Zagreb Junior Pairs SP Madeline AARON / Max SETTLAGE USA 24.21
    New Skate Canada Senior Pairs SP Tiffany VISE / Don BALDWIN USA 24.41
     
  24. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Any insight as to why the ISU would announce this now and not wait until 4CC is done?
     
  25. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe to give training time to the skaters who thought they wouldn't be going to worlds?
     
  26. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    YAY!

    I've just realised that the new minimums mean that Cieplucha and Makarova/Kenchadze can go to Worlds. :)
     
  27. ehdtkqorl123

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    Not that I am against lowering the minimum scores. I just don't like the way they set rules and policies to their taste.

    Rather than changing them in the middle of a season, they should have been more careful in deciding that kind of stuff from the beginning.

    Flexibility? I wil call it lack of consistency.
     
  28. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Again: You cannot expect the ISU to be able to predict the future.
     
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    The ISU had previously announced that they would confirm the minimum score requirements about 2 weeks before the entry deadline of the respective ISU Championship -- see: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...g-Jr-Worlds)&p=3784552&viewfull=1#post3784552

    From the 2013 Worlds Announcement: http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=3685
     
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  30. Tony Wheeler

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    I think Cieplucha already had the score before it was lowered!