ISU Communication No. 1655: Decisions of the ISU Council (including JGP 2011-12 info)

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Published today, October 27 - Communication No. 1655: Decisions of the ISU Council

    The 2013 Four Continents Championships are provisionally awarded to Osaka, Japan (dates are February 5-10).

    Re. the JGP in 2011-12, there will be 7 events again:
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  3. Lanna

    Lanna Well-Known Member

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    Oh, for the love of god. :wall:
  4. emilieh

    emilieh Active Member

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    Any guesses for what the rationale is for reducing dance and pairs to 6, while keeping 8 for singles? I guess I understand for pairs, since only 4 events have a pairs event, but what's the point in making it tougher for dancers to make the Final?

    I guess it cuts costs a bit, but then why not cut costs more and reduce all 4 disciplines to 6?
  5. SamuraiK

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    The cut of JGPF entries for pairs is reasonable. Not so much for Dance.
  6. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    :yikes: Don't put ideas in their heads.

    The thing is that I suspect that the ISU council actually hates skating. Speedy has to at least. The moronic idea from last season to make a break before the first and second group and then provide "entertainment" to the audience because they were surely be bored with skating by then and needed a break :confused: just goes to show that they don't understand our enthusism for skating.
  7. victoriaheidi

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    Ok, ??? Why not just turn it into the Thanksgiving Day Parade?

    No idea what cutting down the number of dance teams is going to do for anyone...
  8. lexeoe

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    who's hosting 4cc's in 2012?
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    To reduce the cost of the JGPF, I propose to suppress this event.

    :wall::wall::wall:
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  11. Lanna

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    It makes sense with pairs, but having one less qualifier than number of events is idiotic.
  12. gkelly

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    Good point. What if 7 different couples each win an event and take silver or bronze in the other?

    Well, then there'll be a tie for 6th place, or a three-way tie for 5th or four-way for 4th, and you'd end up with 7 teams in the final anyway.
  13. Jenna

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    I really hope USA gets the final, since it seems odd they wouldn't have any JGP events 2 years in a row!
  14. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    Did they ask for one?
  15. victoriaheidi

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    Not necessarily. It'll become a really crazy war over who got the highest scores and whatever. Not a fun way to be left out of the JGPF.
  16. chipso1

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    Beginning in 2012, there will be a Jr. World Synchronized Skating Championships, too.

  17. oleada

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    UGH, THIS IS RIDICULOUS :mad:
  18. shah

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    Gdańsk! :cheer: I'm reserving a free week by the sea in September next year :).
  19. Ziggy

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    :mad: :mad: :mad:

    Bets on when the ISU JGP is reduced from 7 to 6 events. :wall:

    Who is volunteering to become a martyr and blow themselves up in the ISU headquarters in Swissland? Jackie you're closest. :D

    Woop woop and I am joining you. :)
  20. Jenna

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    What's the big deal? The Junior Grand Prix Final is not the end-all-be-all of the sport. The reduction in spots only means that the final will consist of more elite dancers. All teams will still have a chance to gain important international experience on the JGP circuit, which is the goal for most teams anyway.
  21. Ziggy

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    The big deal is that GP and JGP spots are being slowly reduced.

    We went from 10 to 8 spots in senior Pairs.

    Then ISU removed the Pairs event from half of the JGP events (which admittedly does make sense given the number of pairs competing but if the discipline is to grow...).

    Then the number of JGP events were reduced from 8 to 7.

    And now the number of finalists is reduced from 8 to 6 for Pairs and Ice Dance.

    Pairs can kind of be understood but Dance?

    So yes - the point is that the number of competition opportunities is slowly being eroded. And once things are cut, they most likely ain't gonna return. :/
  22. chipso1

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    This change makes sense to me, though. Since there can only be 4 teams per warm-up group, it's awkward to have groups of 2-4-4 or 3-3-4.

    And really, with the pairs fields in Canada and France this year, I'm kinda glad they're capped at 8. :shuffle:

    The JGPF pairs/dance reductions make no sense to me. All that's happening is teams are losing valuable international experience and a shot at ISU ranking points. I can't imagine the cost savings will be that high.
  23. Ziggy

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    Competitive opportunities for skaters > awkward warm-up groups.

    And this year is not exactly typical with all the injuries and illnesses. ;)
  24. chipso1

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    I didn't say I was a fan of it (except for this :yikes: year), just that it makes sense to me. ;)

    I agree that more competition chances allow skaters better development opportunities, but to realize that Speedy would actually have to be a fan of skating. :wall:
  25. Ziggy

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    Yep, it all comes back to that I guess. :p
  26. Aussie Willy

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    It is about time Australia got one. Will have to put those dates in my diary now.
  27. allezfred

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    How odd that 2013 Four Continents is announced when 2012 hasn't been decided (has it?). :confused:

    Anyway, if this is true I might have to consider going to Osaka that year since I won't be going to Fake London for Worlds.
  28. mgobluegirl

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    Isn't that what World Challenge Cup for Juniors already was, essentially?
  29. Ziggy

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    Yep, it was like a warm-up for Junior Worlds.
  30. cygnus

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    Canada hasn't had a JGP since 2005. Or a GP final since 2002.

    (I have no idea if they have asked for one or not- but it makes me sad.) :(
  31. ebayj

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    I guess I'll continue living in hope that Canada or the US will see the Grand Prix Final (combined) in December 2011. It's about time, to say the least.
  32. Jenna

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    Agreed! Preferably on the east coast. ;)
  33. DORISPULASKI

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    Dunno. If it's on the East Coast, they'll probably put it at Lake Placid...not my favorite venue at all.
  34. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    Please please please let it be the west coast :saint:
  35. kirkbiggestfan

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    Or glamourous Hartford, CT!
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    Ahh! As a Swamp Yankee myself, I resent your implications about the Insurance Capital of the World-

    Actually, I enjoyed Skate America there...

    and if 4CC's were there I could go easily :respec:

    Whit Davis in the clip above is the quintessential Swamp Yankee (and sounds just like my dad used to sound).
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    I enjoyed Skate America there too and it's convenient for the Boston/NYC fans. For skating popularity, I'd rather see it at a venue like Madison Square Garden. Very unlikely though.
  38. UMBS Go Blue

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    Make that Boston... or Hanover, New Hampshire, where I learned to skate, around the big college seal on center ice. :swoon: :p