Is mens event at Games now wide open with Lysacek and probably Plushenko out

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  1. KimGOAT

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    Earlier this year people were predicting the mens Olympic Gold to be a battle between Lysacek and Plushenko, just like 2010, with Chan the other major contender. Now with 1 of the 3 major favorites (Evan) and possibly a 2nd (Evgeny) out does this leave it much more wide open. Chan now becomes the heavy favorite with his 2 biggest rivals probably not there, but it opens the chances for others to possibly medal or even win as well.
  2. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    They were?


    I don't think it is that open. I think it is Patrick vs. Hanyu, with Takahashi as the potential spoiler. I never though Lysacek or Plushenko would be factors even if they showed up.
  3. dardar1126

    dardar1126 Well-Known Member

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    I agree.
  4. Jammers

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    Who thought the Gold medal was going to be between Evan and Plushenko and Chan? Neither skater has competed against Chan since 2010 and were never in the mix.
  5. Vash01

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    I don't see Takahashi as the spoiler. He was never a strong jumper and now he has injuries. Jeremy Abbott could be if he skates two perfect programs and Chan & Hanyu make more than 2 mistakes each in the LP and at least one mistake in the SP.

    I will be thrilled if Takahashi or Abbott (the two old men) win the OGM but I am OK with either Chan or Hanyu winning too.
  6. Skittl1321

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    Okay- I'll agree with this.

    But, basically, it comes down to "the men's bronze medal is wide open". It is HIGHLY unlikely anyone but Patrick or Hanyu will get Gold.

    I'm really looking forward to hearing from whomever thought Gold was between Lysacek and Plushenko.
  7. Vash01

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    Probably only the OP. :)

    I think Chan will win at least a silver. I don't see him dropping below that. I think Hanyu may be a gold or bronze type situation, depending on how he skates. I don't believe his mistakes will be forgiven that much (although he did win the GPF despite a fall on 4S, which he needs to dump).

    Basically the silver & bronze medals are wide open. For Gold I would say 80% Chan, 10% Hanyu, 5% Abbott, and 5% everyone else.
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    wow, it's the electronic version of a time capsule! :rofl:

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  9. Holy Headband

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    I agree that based on the way the season has gone the gold should be decided between Patrick and Yuzuru, with Patrick having the advantage, and that it was never a realistic target for Plushenko or Lysacek (lol), but at the same time I caution people not to say things like "it is highly unlikely that anyone else will get it"... This isn't ice dance but singles; the potential for upsets, implosions and surprises should always be factored in.
  10. Skittl1321

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    Highly unlikely still leaves room for other outcomes.
  11. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Oh gawd, for a second I thought something happened to Patrick. Whew!!
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  13. bronwynsings

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    Dunno if you've heard of him, but there's this one guy, Patrick Chan, who has won three World championships in the past few years... He's kind of been a favorite to win for a while, even without Lysacek and Plushenko.
  14. caseyedwards

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    Now all gold hype belongs to Jason brown.
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    I agree with those. Right now I think Abbott is the favorite to medal along with Chan and Hanyu, and the 3rd best chance at gold just behind them.
  16. usova94gold

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    OP noted Chan as a favorite all along, along with Lysacek and Plushenko.
  17. Vash01

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    This is the original post

    Please see the bolded portion. Chan is the heavy favorite, as per the OP. Although I never thought of Lysacek or Plushenko as a OGM favorite in Sochi, I can see why the OP did not label him as the only favorite, but rather one of the favorites and a heavy favorite.
  18. museksk8r

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    LOL! I was going to post something similar to this, but you said everything I was thinking. :p
  19. berthesghost

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    More importantly, is the mens' field wide open now that both Orser and Boitano are out of the closet?
  20. Really

    Really No longer just a "well-known member" Yay!

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    Have you all forgotten the Canadian Men's Olympic Curse????
  21. Aussie Willy

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    Boitano and Orser should announce a comeback as "surprise entries" just to keep everyone on their toes.
  22. spikydurian

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    Who says Plushenko is out? I don't think Russia has named its team yet has they?
  23. skateboy

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    That would depend on which "mens' field" you're talking about...
  24. caseyedwards

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    I bet they name a skater who is skating publicly and not secretly- so kovtun or even voronov or menshov!
  25. briancoogaert

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    LOL
    With Patrick Chan, Yuzuru Hanyu and Daisuke Takahashi, I don't see the need to talk about Lysacek or Plushenko as locks for Gold medal... ;)
  26. Jessiebanana

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    I don' t even think most people, outside of delusional fans, even thought Evan was going to actually skate this season, let alone win anything.

    Plushy, is well Plushy. I'm sure he believes he can still do so many things, but the rest of us have eyes.
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  27. SmallFairy

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    Was Lysacek ever in???
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    No.
  29. judgejudy27

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    If Kovtun doesnt pull up substantially at Europeans you probably will see Plushenko at the Games. It wont be competing for a gold medal though (well maybe in the Team event).
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    Kovtun was 4th in the short program today with Voronov 2nd and Verner 3rd to Fernandez. Saturday's lp will be the day of reckoning....
    I think even Plushy actually realizes he would not be a threat for gold, and in fact just wants to compete at his 4th Olympics. With an extraordinary amount of luck maybe come in 3rd.
  31. lulu

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    Has the Russian Federation ever articulated where exactly Kovtun need to end up to secure a spot on the Olympic team? 1st place? On the podium? Higher than Voronov? Thanks
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    Not that I know of. It is all hush hush for now.
  33. Cherub721

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    No. I don't think the placement matters as much as how he skates. He's not going to face off against Fernandez, Voronov, and Verner in the team event. He would be skating against France, Italy, and Germany, all of whom he has handily beaten here. IMO, the question is more about how well he skates and how that will stack up against the NA and Asian men in the team event, vs what Voronov does in the LP and Plushy's sekret test. I think there would be no shame in placing 3rd with a good skate behind a lights out Fernandez and Verner, better than a silver or gold in a splatfast. But who knows what the Russian fed thinks.
  34. judgejudy27

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    Is there any chance Voronov could be considered for the lone Russian entry if he places top Russian man at Europeans. What an out of nowhere shock that would be, and what irony after he was screwed out of the 2010 team.
  35. bardtoob

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    How were Lysacek and Plushy more of a factor than Patrick Chan.
  36. caseyedwards

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    There would have to be a faction in the rfsa that doesn't have links to the teams of plushenko and kovtun and some kind of neutral group but I don't think that exists. Kovtun has such strong backing as needs no explanation and a top secret test skate is being discussed for plushenko???
  37. judgejudy27

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    Or about 5 others.

    Yeah and that Voronov who was skating well at the time, was proposterously last moment dropped from the 2010 Olympic team for that nobody shows that the RSF probably hates him to bits anyway. Along with how they handled picking the World team last year.
  38. Kasey

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    Would love to see Voronov medal at Euros, just to f*ck with the Russian fed a little more. Of course, that would just mean that Plushenko's "secret test skate" would go remarkably better than anything seen at Euros and he would be sent. :rolleyes:
  39. Zokko!

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    How will Men's event be "at games" as long Candyman is "in"?