Is It Possible That Mao Has Competition

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  1. floskate

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    I met Mao at TEB in 2005 and she was tiiiiny. Very slender but also very small. She has grown considerably since that time but mostly upwards. 1 inch taller and 5llbs heavier is waay off.
     
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  3. Sylvia

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    Bulanhagui's attempted a 3A the last 3 summers at the Liberty club competition (2007-2009). Even though her jump has been called < by the technical panel each time, I'm glad she's been going for it! I'm just waiting to see her attempt 3A in a competition besides Liberty now. :)

    I like her honesty! :lol:
     
  4. SkateSkates

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  5. pinky166

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    Mao is still very tiny. Felicia Zhang said on her formspring that when she met Mao at TEB this year, she was surprised that they were about the same size. http://www.formspring.me/feliciazhang
    She's barely taller and almost as skinny as Zijun Li http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/9f06dddd01.jpg who is itty bitty. Mao's keeping her 3a may have something to do with not really letting her body go through puberty, she still is built like a 14 year old. Last season didn't she have to lose like 3 kg to get that jump rotated or something? In any event, back to Mirai, I hope she doesn't go to any extreme or unhealthy measures to master the 3a. I sometimes wonder about Mao, she's been so focused on the 3a these past two seasons and has also become alarmingly thin.
     
  6. carrot

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    ^^Mao seems to be the same size as Yu Na, judging from podium pictures. Could Zijun Li have been wearing skates but not Mao in that photo?
     
  7. Ozzisk8tr

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    Mao has always looked like she has to walk around in the shower to get wet. I don't see any significant weight loss over the last couple of years.
     
  8. SkateSkates

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    Yes, Li is wearing skates. You can tell by the way they are standing - either that or Mao has VERY short legs, which she doesn't. I'd say Mao is about 5'4", slightly taller than Miki, but slightly shorter than Yuna.
     
  9. miki88

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    Mao is not slightly taller than ZiJun. IMO. She's considered tall for a lady skater. She was very thin as a junior skater, then gained a little weight during her mid-teens but then became very thin again, but she doesn't have the body of a 14 yr old. :rolleyes:
     
  10. berthesghost

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    It's amazing how we all can look at the same thing but see so many different things! I never in a million years would have guessed Mao hasn't grown since 2005, nor that she's tall for a skater. lol
     
  11. pinky166

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    Oh ok. That would make more sense. I wasn't talking about her height so much more just how skinny she is. Mao has seemed "skater tall" for awhile now, at least 5 years or so. It's just interesting to see because in their junior years, Yuna was thinner than Mao, and in recent years, Yuna looks stronger and curvier than Mao. In person, Yuna's thin as a rail though, which makes me worry about Mao. I sometimes wonder if her jump problems have to do with her thinness.
     
  12. AndyWarhol

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    i stood next to Mao at TEB last year, both in flat shoes, and she was defiantly taller than me, and I'm 5'2. 5'4 for her seems about right. She is TINY though, build wise, which I think would help her with the tight, quick rotations.

    I enjoy her take off. It builds suspense!

    Good on Mirai for working on it.
     
  13. loulou

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    Mao grew quite a lot throughout her teen years, which she obviously couldn't help.
    She also gained some weight right after the 2006 season.
    After that, I think she helped her weight, by, say, not surrendering to chocolate chip cookies. Whenever I saw her, she had healthy snacks after practice.


    At times they did.

    But I agree with Pinky that in recent years Kim looked a bit stronger than Asada.
    In my opinion, it's also a matter of bone structure: I don't watch a lot of Kim's footage, but I seem to recall that Kim has quite some leg bones. Which Asada doesn't.
     
  14. pinky166

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    You are probably right about Yuna having a bigger bone structure than Asada. Broader shoulders and bigger leg bones to be sure. That also may have been some of the reason Yuna looked thinner than Mao in their junior years, just because she was more angular looking due to having bigger bones. I think that in recent years Yuna has also worked on building up her muscle mass and strength though, because if you remember back in 06-07 when Yuna was very slight, she also had issues with running out of steam at the end of her long programs.

    I do sometimes wonder if there's some sort of pressure put on the ladies skaters in Japan though. It's hard to turn a blind eye to how much thinner Mao and Miki have become in recent years. Miki is not as thin as Mao and has quite the nice figure but used to be a lot stronger and more womanly looking than she does now. And then Akiko had the eating disorder, and Shizuka became a stick right after she retired. Makes me wonder... At any rate, I can see Mirai's 3a becoming a reality. She has the right build for it and the fact that that jump is getting stronger now compared to her junior days after she has grown up and filled out is a good sign that she's not taking unhealthy measures to master a tricky jump.
     
  15. miki88

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    Shizuka looks the same to me. :confused:
     
  16. SkateSkates

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    As a figure skater, when I take time off, I actually LOSE muscle mass in my legs, making them look thinner. This could have easily happened to Shizuka. Miki did lose weight after 2008 worlds when she withdrew - I remember reading an article about it. Mao lost about 2Kg last season after the GPS. I think she actually put on muscle during the off-season, which threw off her jumps, so she lost it to get her jumps back. However, both Miki and Mao look to be healthy now - they seem to have smaller bone structure than other skaters.
     
  17. mgobluegirl

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    I can do a 3A in a harness. It's nothing to write home (er... tweet) about. haha
     
  18. loulou

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    Well, it depends.
    If the harness is sustaining your weight, then the skill gets a lot easier.
    But a coach might pull a harness just to tell the student the rhythm of the jump, without actually carrying his/her weight.
     
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    Michelle was working on and promising a 3A while under Carroll, but it never materialized in competition. Considering the problems Mirai has had in competition, I wonder if her's will ever see the competitive ice.
     
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    Does anyone know what the training situation for Mao and the other Japanese skaters is? (Due to the Tsunami and radiation.)
    Have any of them begun training outside of Japan due to the current crisis?
     
  22. Sasha'sSpins

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    I had no idea Tiffany Chin had done triple axels (just in practice I assume??) Her take off is amazing imo, very little prep time compared to Mao's which is perhaps more elegant in the air. Tonya's is my second favorite after the greatest of them all-Midori's! It's amazing Tonya actually landed alot of those-some looked quite tilted in the air! Who's the couple throwing them side by side? :cool:
     
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    There are 2 couples, I think. One is Yukari Nakano and Fedor Andreev, if my eyes don't deceive me. The other one is the great Ito and Viktor Petrenko, my bet:cool:
     
  24. Sasha'sSpins

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    Goodness-I was so focused on Midori I didn't notice the second couple later in the clip! I meant @1:11. Thanks!

    I love the triple axel/double combo Mao does with the hand overhead on the second jump. :cool:
     
  25. stillalive

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    That's a good point, I've always wondered what kind of impact a triple axel can have on ladies health.
     
  26. pinky166

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    I wonder if Mirai will start attempting 3-3s in competition again anytime soon, or if she just plans to do the 3a instead. It seems more logical for her to try 3-3s first, but if her 3a is better than her 3-3s, she might as well do that instead.
     
  27. jatale

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    Not being a skater I don't understand why the 3a is so much more difficult than the 2a. To the untrained eye it is just one more revolution in the air. From TV commentary, I heard that the 3a does not require more jump height than the 2a, rather it is all about timing. If, however, it is a timing issue then I still don't understand why the 3a seems to be uniquely difficult since I would think timing is essential to every jump type.
     
  28. C_T_T_

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    Just one more rotation in a jump which won't even last a second!

    If you want to really simplify it down each jump has two main stages- the jump part and the rotation. For an axel, the right leg comes through and steps up into the jump and by bringing that leg up gives you the height. Then you need to snap into rotation position and obviously to get three turns in you need to get there as quickly as possible. So the timing aspect comes from balancing getting the maximum height possible and getting into rotation as quicky as possible. The whole jump happens in less than a second so achieve that timing is extremely difficult.

    Axel is also more difficult because of the forward take off. The take off needs to be straight to be able to keep control of the jump so you are initiating rotation in the air. The other jumps take off backwards so as you go through the jumping stage you are already begining to rotate.

    Thats at the basic level though, before you even start to think about where your hips, shoulders, head etc are at each split second of the jump!
     
  29. loulou

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    A quadruple is only one more revolution in the air than a triple.
    A quintuple is just one more revolution in the air than a quadruple.
     
  30. berthesghost

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    :lol: Don't play with the occult! It's like you are summoning the demon caseyedwards to wreak havoc on us all! :scream: