Introducing new Pro-Am: Medal Winners Open, Oct. 5th in Japan

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  1. rhumba

    rhumba New Member

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    Yes, i think most people pay to see World or Olympic medalists skate at the high level, not a single axel or just gliding around. They are not stupid as you thought.
  2. marysy

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    I agree with this, though I wonder why she had agreed to it in the first place? I'm not familiar with this competition...was it originally supposed to have been more of an exhibition and less of a competition? Or was it just that perhaps she intended to put in the training time and then didn't have time to do it?

    I haven't seen Kimmie Meissner skate in awhile - has she kept up with her training?

    In any case, this competition is shaping up to be quite exciting...hope we'll see videos!
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  3. l'etoile

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    Really? Out of all the contestants in this competition, she sure doesn't seem to be fitting in the group, no offense.
  4. l'etoile

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    Exhibition clips I've seen recently told me that she was in a fine shape.
  5. orbitz

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    The hardest jump Kimmie does now is the 2A. If Irina and Shizuka, who are older than Kimmie, pull out triples then it'll look kinda bad for Kimmie from a competition perspective. But I'm sure there are people out there who'll enjoy watching her skate (I'm not one of them :p)
  6. giselle23

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    Maybe Kimmie can train a triple toe. Who knows--she may already have one that is fairly consistent, but not worth trying in a show. She was a pretty good jumper when she first started out. In any event, this competition is supposed to be more about artistry than jumps, isn't it? I would like to see Kimmie and all of the others.
  7. seabm7

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    They need 6 professional/retired ISU medalists who can still handle 3 jumping passes. The pool is quite small.

    Kwan hasn't been skating since she moved to Washington DC. Sasha Cohen is a full time student. After Sarah Hughes, the next in line would be either Kimmie Meissner or Fumie Suguri. Also Elena Sokolova if she is still skating actively.

    ETA: I just realized Yuka Sato and Surya Bonaly are still doing shows. The pool could be enlarged when the older generation is included.
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  8. marysy

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    I think this is sadly a byproduct of the lack of professional skating opportunities nowadays. In the 90s, a lot of the top skaters kept up with their training after retirement due to the professional competitions and shows that were out there, but perhaps this could be the beginning of a resurgence of these types of competitions, at least in Asia.

    I thought I had seen Alexei Urmanov's name somewhere in one of these three Japan comps/shows but can't seem to find it anywhere. I know the roster is full, but he might be a good candidate for these types of things. I don't know if he's training full programs, but from what I've heard of people training with him in Sweden, he still has the jumps. Brian Joubert mentioned being very impressed with him last summer that he was doing all the exercises with his students.
  9. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Who put her name on the list to begin with?
  10. IceIceBaby

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    Besides, I would say 90 percent of the audience in shows don't know the name of the jumps and if they are doubles or triples. The show audience differs from the audience who is in the competitions. For some of them it's the first time seeing figure skating live. That is not very motivating for the retired skaters so I don't wonder why they won't keep up their jumps.
  11. AJ Skatefan

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    Not true. She did triple toes in shows last season. And yes, she has been training, and yes, she does belong with those ladies in this competition.
  12. kwanfan1818

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    I would love to see Meissner skate now. She had just started to find her own natural elegance when she left eligible skating.
  13. 4rkidz

    4rkidz GPF Barcelona here I come

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    So I'm a little late to this thread.. I had absolutely no idea that there was going to be a show/competition of this caliber.. I would do just about anything to see this if it was on my continent.. for those of you who can go I look forward to your reports.. I would pay in a heartbeat to see so many of these skaters and I don't care about the jumping aspect as the artistry alone and programs I'm sure will be worth it.. Sluts & Yags :swoon: and so many more.. is this going to be on TV???
  14. casken

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    I saw a video of Meinner skate recently, and yes there were no triple jumps, but she looked in decent shape and her skating skills and style were greatly improved.

    If she's serious about doing this, I could see her getting a toe and/or sal back.
  15. Teenes

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    Yes, in Japan (I posted the TV Tokyo dates earlier in the thread), but they have no plans to broadcast outside of Japan or stream it, unfortunately.
  16. babayaga

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    I am :p I loved Kimmie and I can't believe I will see her skate in a competition again, even if it's a format like this. Super excited :rollin:
  17. AJ Skatefan

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    I just watched Pandora's Moments of Love on Ice again today and Kimmie did a triple toe.
  18. Coral

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    Sorry about the confusion - Sarah Meier's gonna participate.

    According to the Japanese article above, you need a medal of Oly Games, Worlds, Grand-Prix Finals, Euros or Four Continents to qualify for MWO. So among American ladies, technically some amateurs like Mirai Nagasu, Ashley Wagner, Caroline Zhang and and Alissa Czisny - I suppose they all could have been possible to participate. Of course they've got their schedules and priorities though. Wagner's going to compete at Japan Open, not MWO, and it sounds natural too, 'cause JO is mainly a battle of eligibles (especially for ladies).

    Japanese figure skating fans appreciate pro skaters' coming all the way to Japan from overseas. As mentioned above, the main factor is artistry here, so we hope all the participants enjoy their experience.

    BTW this is off topic, but it's surprising Midori Ito still competes in the adult competition in Germany, last year and this year as well. She's got challenge spirit ...;)
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    Don't me wrong.. I do like Kimmie.. I do wish they would have found a really voidy lady. But who?
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    Laeticia Hubert or Bonaly...voidy and ladies' skating don't come in hand very often:(
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    But Hubert doesn't have the medals to qualify, does she?
  22. robinhood

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    ^doesn't she have any euro medal?
  23. seabm7

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    No, she doesn't.
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    4rkidz GPF Barcelona here I come

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    Nice to see Kimmy training so hard for this.. she is one skater that I don't think had the opportunity to really become the kind of skater she wanted to be.. with success so young before her artistic side really developed. She is one skater I wish had come back to the amateur scene but I know she had injuries and stuff..lol..

    And Yagudin will always be my favourite.. nobody excited me like he did ;)
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    Why is everyone worried about Kimmie? I thought OP said jumps didn't count in this event. She's been doing shows.
  29. NONKO

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    Messages from skaters
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    Happy to welcome all skaters in Japan from all over the world:)
  30. FigureSpins

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    I chuckled at the "Open" in the title since the skaters were invited to compete by the ISU.

    I thought it was funny that the USFS Adult Skating Facebook page called Kurt Browning an "Adult Skater." Quick, someone send him an AN bingo card, lol.
    Hmmm...they could add a box for "backflips" or "scotty turns."

    I like this event idea, especially with it being just the singles for now since those are my favorite disciplines. It opens a door for skaters to prolong their on-ice careers without the grueling training for qualifying competitions. I looked at the ISU announcement and it states the skater can use hand-held/carried props and theatrical lighting. It's being judged under a modified version of the IJS Singles Free Skating rules, "A well balanced program with emphasis on artistic merit will be performed by each competitor."

    I'll watch it if I can (no word on US viewing yet) - sounds like a great show/competition!
  31. operagirl

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    Why no Stephan Lambiel? He's perfect for this.
  32. midori

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    Jingu ICE Messangers Grace is now in the cast as a "guest."
    http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/mwo2012/info.html#cast

    Japan Open usually gives us a "surprise" guest skater or two with no advance announcement. I wonder if Medal Winners Open also invite some more guests between the competitions.
  33. lily

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    Stéphane probably still has those ISU restrictions?
  34. seabm7

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    If Stéphane still has the ISU restrctions, then those rules apply to Arakawa, too.

    It's likely that Stéphane was too busy dealing with Opera on Ice.
  35. leapfrogonice

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    Kurt as an "adult" skater? I could never put a label on him other than ageless!
  36. Rochelle

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    Thank you for sharing this!

    Is it likely those of us not in Japan may be able to catch TV coverage of this event? Perhaps the "TV Tokyo" coverage, when it's being aired in Japan (live) or on-demand afterwards?

    I'm hoping there may be an option other than scouring YouTube for videos after the event concludes (or after the TV coverage airs)... though I'll settle for YouTube videos at the least.
  37. Willowway

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    Thank you for the broadcast details. I can't wait to see the results. It's very nice that a producer is giving a new pro comp a shot - these have disappeared completely in recent years and with them gone we do miss interesting performances by our most experienced talent. While all of these skaters participate in shows (also decreasing in number), a comp however structured is a different animal and a different environment - it should be very good!
  38. t.mann

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    no Lambiel, no Kwan, no Sasha.
    A little :blah: show.
  39. l'etoile

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    I'm super excited for male contestants but for female contestants, seriously let down except for Irina.
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    She looked well prepared and ready at Evening with Champions last weekend. I know she doubled her (presumably) planned 3toe, but please keep in mind she did this program after a synchro team skated their SP. I thought she handled the awful ice conditions very well and enjoyed watching her skate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWGeAj0UQeg#t=1m00s