Inappropriate music/choreography in competitive programs

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by AlexDSSF, Mar 26, 2013.

  1. AlexDSSF

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    Obviously figure skating has its standards when it comes to music choices and choreography. I remember reading an article in the San Francisco Chronicle around the time of the 2002 Winter Olympics which discussed what the judges deemed inappropriate. It was accompanied by a picture of Sophie Moniotte and Pascal Lavanchy in a relatively provocative pose. I think the article said that moves that could be seen in a strip club were verboten.

    Which brings me to this question: What competitive (Olympic-level as opposed to professional/exhibition) performances did any of you find to be musically and/or choreographically inappropriate for international competition? Can a person be penalized for crotch grabs and the like? Has a skater ever lost an Olympic or World medal because his/her/their performance, while well-executed, contained questionable material?
     
  2. AndyWarhol

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    I think that ice dancing aboriginal program was rather inappropriate.
     
  3. kittysk8ts

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    Well, I am pretty sure someone will mention both V/M free dance and V/T free program from this year. Lots of, ahem, sensual stuff...giggle, snort, blush.....although I didn't find them offensive at all. It obviously didn't hurt V/T but some think it may have hurt V/M.
     
  4. snoopysnake

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    F-L-O-R-E-N-T- -A-M-O-D-I-O
     
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  5. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    I know I posted this in the other thread but i feel like this needs to be posted here too.
    people only call v/m's carmen lewd and inappropriate to dismiss the difficulty of the dance
     
  6. lao1234

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    I think a dance can be difficult (even the most difficult dance in a particular event) AND lewd and inappropriate. Note: I am not making a statement about either the difficulty or the appropriateness/lewdness of Virtue & Moir's performance.
     
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  7. rainbowkisses

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    i think you misunderstood what i said.
    people focus so much on what they perceive as lewd that they cannot appreciate the difficulty and artistry of the dance.
     
  8. euterpe

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    Maxim Trankov's resemblance to Hitler (with that absurd moustache) was startling.
     
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  9. lao1234

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    You don't think someone could say, "Wow - that was really difficult, good for them - too bad I didn't enjoy it because a couple/alot of those positions were distracting?"
     
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  10. julieann

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    Yes, they can! :eek: :lol:
     
  11. lao1234

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    Yeah...that didn't bother me - the hands everywhere around the "hip-region" is pretty commonplace in skating and other partner lifting situations (thinking college co-ed cheerleaders) - but, of course, respect your opinion. And who's to say his hand didn't slip? ;)
     
  12. julieann

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    :lol:

    A male pairs skater putting his hands on her hips if is not the same as a skater looking as if he's wiping her ass with her skirt. Most of the program was OOT and I'm not just talking about the Hitler mustache.

    That choreography was ridiculous even if it were well done. Pretty dress though.
     
  13. lao1234

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    Yes, but I said everywhere around the hip region not just on the hip. Remember the disappearing-hand-under-the-skirt phase of Ice Dance? Even Gordeeva/Grinkov had a carry lift with that exact hand position.

    It's so funny how people see things differently - to me, their choreography is no more or less OOT than the majority of the other pairs. Off topic, I sort of feel that some people are "mad" that V/T are doing programs that MAY be less than what they are capable of and use a sliding scale to judge them - like, "I KNOW they could do a program jam-packed with transitions - why must they insist on doing fairly standard pairs programs?" It's not like either of them successfully completed extremely difficult choreography with previous partners.
     
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  14. rainbowkisses

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    :rolleyes: most don't
     
  15. Holley Calmes

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    There's a difference between "sensual" and "trashy." Maybe it's different for each person, but I know I can tell the difference. Because I watch so much dance, I'm pretty immune to sexy stuff, or should I say, it doesn't bother me and some times I LIKE it.... It seems to be the quality of movement and skill and emotional content that keeps some of this from being objectionable. I can't say I've ever seen a skate that truly offended me except in terms of sheer bad skating or a really abominable costume. THAT offends me more! Now crotch grabbing whether in hip hop dance or anywhere else just seems unnecessary and childish. Only Michael Jackson can get away with that one in my book. ICK. I will say that sometimes TRYING to be sexy and not quite succeeding whether from technical skill or chemistry really falls flat, but I wouldn't call it offensive.
     
  16. danceronice

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    Yep, that pretty much broke my meter on the 'being-offended' thing....
     
  17. Holley Calmes

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    And there was a Russian couple who did an atrocious skate to "Last of the Mohicans" where the lady was wearing this enormous ridiculous pseudo Native American headdress. Looked like a Vegas show. I'm sure someone will tell me who that was. If I was Native American I would probably have been laughing to hard to offended, but perhaps offended too. That was BAD.
     
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  18. attyfan

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    I know some people who thought it inappropriate for A & P to use Martin Luther King's speech as part of their Oly FS.
     
  19. orbitz

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    Was he trying to find out if she had a prostate ?
     
  20. rainbowkisses

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    the most inappropriate thing a skater can do is appropriate a culture by using/wearing something that is important to a certain culture as a prop/accessory like the bindi (im looking at you meryl and alena) or the native american headdress or as in oksana baiul's case the turban
     
  21. Skittl1321

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    Can you point to any articles that called out Meryl or Alena for use of the bindi? My two friends from India have both told me they wear it only as an accessory, but they are Christians, a minority group there. They loved the Bollywood od and are not skating fans.

    At least in Meryl's case since they worked with Indian specialists, I really don't think this is appropriation. The dance was well recieved. Idon't know about Alena's case.
     
  22. ChelleC

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    That was Krylova and Ovsiannikov
     
  23. rainbowkisses

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    I can't link you to a specific article but i can link you to more information
    keep in mind that not only indian people wear bindis and like i said before there's going to be people who are okay with it and people who aren't. People have different opinion but just because one person thinks its okay doesn't mean everyone thinks its okay. also i had an asian friend who thought their bollywood od was revolting and it wasn't untill she explained to me why i realized how trashy it truly is. I know i shouldn't be talking about this even though I'm repeating ad verbatim what I've read and what my friend told me because i'm not south Asian and im afraid i will silence those who are. but i feel like this needs to be said. there's just too much history behind the bindi. for example, i remember reading an article saying that women were murdered in certain parts of south Asia because their wore the bindi so i find it screwed up that white people in the west can wear it without consequence while people in south Asia get murdered for wearing it. i cannot find the article right now but i hope this will explain everything
    http://thisisnotindia.tumblr.com/po...politics-of-cultural-appropriation-some-notes
     
  24. michiruwater

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    Or you're just a super crazy V/M uber who will jump on any reason to hate Meryl.

    FWIW, I was in college in lower Michigan during the 2010 Olympics, where there is a fairly large Indian population, and their OD was the talk of the town and everyone seemed to absolutely adore it at the time.
     
  25. centerstage01

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    Oh, bull. The piece was choreographed by an Indian dancer and was applauded by many in India and around the world for creating a dance that accurately used movements and gestures found in Indian dances. I know you hate Meryl and Charlie with an unholy passion, so I'm not surprised you're trying to latch on to any argument that might find their program "offensive". Good grief. :rolleyes:
     
  26. Holley Calmes

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    Well...I live in Atlanta where there are many East Indians. I adore their clothing and I collect saris. Does this mean it's offensive for me to wear one, say to a formal event, when I am wearing it out of respect and love? I have Indian friends. They love that I love their clothing. I don't feel I am being disrespectful-I feel as if I am celebrating the beauty of their traditional dress. I think there's a line to be drawn. I don't think costume from a different culture is necessarily offensive if not worn by someone from that culture. I think when it is obviously a wildly distorted reproduction and inappropriately worn-as in the Native American headress which would never have been worn by a woman, or with sequins in it..... yeah - that's really disrespectful if not intending to be. The Aboriginal skate reminded me of 19th century American black-face minstrels. Really fake and just sort of "lost" in what they were trying to be. I accuse whoever's idea it was...not necessarily the skaters.
     
  27. iNap

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    now Meryl also teach bad bindi thing to Kaetlyn ;)
    http://www.skatecanada.ca/Portals/2/AtC/en/apr12/images/Kaetlyn-Osmond-lg.png
    http://www.goldenskate.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cn_sr_ladies_sp.jpg
     
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    Part of cultural appropriation is the erasure of the original meaning by simply wearing it just to wear it/because it looks cool. We all know that Meryl and Charlie didn't choose the costumes just for funsies or to look ~exotic. They've repeatedly stated that it was important to them that they understand the culture/the dance/the music and the costumes. Meryl is a student of cultural anthropology, and while that doesn't mean she couldn't be insensitive, it does mean that I doubt she would ever act with the ignorance and ill-intent you want to ascribe to her actions.

    Though I've seen you repeatedly mention this at random in threads that have nothing to do with costumes or Meryl and Charlie so it's probably pointless to say anything. This makes whatever good intentions you might have completely difficult to swallow.
     
  29. iNap

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    Anuja and Ravi must hate own indian culture to insult like this low fashions with bad bindis :D
     
  30. Kaffeine

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