Illusion spin

Discussion in 'Moves In The Field' started by hanca, Oct 20, 2010.

  1. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

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    I noticed that not that many top skaters do Illusion spin. Why is that? Does it still count as spin, with all those changes in rules?

    If I wanted to use it in my program, where it would be best? In SP or in FS?
     
  2. Doubletoe

    Doubletoe Well-Known Member

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    You will probably see it more this year, now that it counts as a difficult variation of an upright spin. You need to do 3 turns, though, IIRC. You will probably see it most as the final upright position in a combination spin that also has at least one other difficult variation in a different position.
     
  3. MusicSkateFan

    MusicSkateFan New Member

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    :p:p:p

    I hate illusion spins.....almost as much as the "bend-over grab your ankle-upright spin!" Horrid position....esp for ladies in a dress!
     
  4. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

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    I hate bend down-grab skate upright spin too, but I love the illusion spin. :)

    I think it is quite madness to persuade your head to go down and leg up while you are spinning (when learning the illusion spin).
     
  5. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Doubletoe. So it is counted as a difficult variation of upright spin? I thought that it would be counted as parallel spin...

    I just looked through the ISU communication No 1611 and can't find there anything at all about Illusion spins. Where in the rules is is addressed? Can anyone help?
     
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  6. Doubletoe

    Doubletoe Well-Known Member

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    OK, I just looked up the July 1 USFSA document where I saw it shown as an upright variation, and saw that it has since been deleted. Now the July 27 "ISU Technical Panel Handbook" on USFSA.org shows the illusion spin as a difficult variation of an intermediate position. According to page 8 of the document (Page 4 in the spin clarification section):

    “Windmill (Illusion): is considered a difficult variation of an intermediate position IP, it must be done at least 3 times in a row to be counted as a Level feature."

    So you should be able to do your illusion spin as part of any combination spin that already has two basic positions (such as camel and sit).
     
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  7. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, Doubletoe.
     
  8. backspin

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    ***backspin makes a mental note to never, NEVER attempt choreography for an IJS program*** :slinkaway:scream:
     
  9. skatemommy

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    ok, I can do it once but what is the sekret for 3x? ps. I see this once in a lot of IJS footwork because it gets the head and shoulders below the knee.
     
  10. leafygreens

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    I love Illusion spins! Watching them, that is. I can never get more than 2 before I fall over.
     
  11. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

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