If Lepisto and Korpii skated clean programmes at World's

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  1. poths

    poths Well-Known Member

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    They'd challenge for Gold. :shuffle:


    Europe only has two hopes, and they're both so fragile.

    Neither girl has ever skated two back to back clean programmes at the same competition, I'm HOPING that this will be the year.

    Lepisto's FP at the Olympics was sensational.
    Korpii has great programmes and the jumps too.

    Mao/Miki/Suzuki..........Nagasu.............Are the top gals this season and I see no reason why clean Fins couldn't beat them all.

    Will they ever go clean????
  2. JerseySlore

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    Lepisto's olympic fp cures cancer :swoon:
    Korpi has one of the better programs this year, and if she lands her shites including 3-3, a spot on the podium should be a fair game. Lepisto is injured, so I'm not too optimistic about her chances, but she should contend for WG if she replicates her olympic performance.
  3. pinky166

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    You should add Carolina and Ksenia to the list. I think they are very capable of winning World medals should they skate clean. I like Kiira but I don't know if she'll get the PCS.
  4. museksk8r

    museksk8r Well-Known Member

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    Right now the World title is wide open for the ladiezzzzz. :yawn: Things would be so much more interesting right now if Yu-Na and Joannie were skating; alas, they are MIA and no one IMO is stepping up to the plate in their absences. I guess if there is a favorite at the moment, it would be Miki, even though I'm not really liking either of her programs. Still, she has been getting the job done technically and her reputation at the moment is the most intact of all the ladies. Caro and Alissa have to prove that they can be reliable. Mao has to shake off her recent habit of melting down or else she could inherit the nickname Meltdown Mao. Mirai needs to learn how to get through a LP without a SashaLPfreakout(TM). Laura needs to get healthy and stop being a DoublejumpDiva. Kiira and Akiko need to overcome their pop-itis; singling jumps is so 1914. :shuffle:
  5. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    ..but when was the last time Kiira skated a clean program? I think all the ones I've seen have had tons of popped jumps.
  6. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    Well, Kiira is beautiful, but her skating always seems a bit tight to me. And she rarely lands all of her jumps. I doubt she will medal at Worlds. ;)
  7. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    Lepisto could probably win gold since she's the judges' pet.
  8. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    If Yu Na shows up at Worlds at even 80% she will cakewalk to it this year.
  9. Jenna

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    Having it wide open is :yawn:?

    No, having Yu-Na show up and win the SP by 20 points is :yawn:! I'm happy there is actually no clear favorite this year, it makes things a bit more exicting. Right now a different lady has won every GP, it's going to come down to who nails it on competition day, and right now, that could be many people.
  10. orientalplane

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    If Kim is technically proficient, exciting and beautiful then I've got no problem with her showing up and winning by a mile. It's not as though anyone else has really shown anything stunning in the GP series yet, though hopefully at least some of them will improve by March.

    I would like to see Kiira skate to her full potential and at least medal at Europeans. Pretty sure Ksenia will be on the European podium too. As for Laura, I'm worried that she'll be hampered by injury, and even when fit and healthy she's frustrating to watch.
  11. Finnice

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    Poths dear, I share your hope.;)
    But, first of all, Lepistö has to recover. I am afraid she still is not able to train properly.:(
  12. JerseySlore

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    Having it wide open only because no one's stepping up is :yawn:
    Kim and Nakano were two skaters who always started the season strong (how Nakano didn't manage more GP golds, I'd never know). With both of them out, I've been most impressed with Czisny so far. Never in my wildest dream thought I'd say that :eek:
  13. flyingsit

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    If Lepisto and Korpi skated clean programs at worlds... it would mean that there really was no world championship and people were running imaginary competitions in their heads.
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    at the very least - 3 ladies will be qualified for 2012 Worlds which means Susanna Poykio makes a return! (will Jenni Vahamaa ever return)?
  15. wonderlen

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    Well Nakano was competing when Mao, Yuna, Miki and Joannie were in prime condition and Kostner was (dare I say a little more consistent). If she were still competing, given her jump contents, it will be enough to win.
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    Miki is the only consistent skaters so far. With the 70% rule on the < jumps, it will definitely help her TES score wise as she is a few of the ladies attempting triple-triple. While her PCS is not sky rocketing, its strong enough. With new seasons and so many skaters getting their mojo back, the ladies field is very water down. I could definitely see someone running a way with world title and not even cracking the 190 mark.
  17. NMURA

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    They can't skate clean because their program contents are beyond their capabilities. Same thing could be said to many "inconsistent" skaters, like Lambiel, Chan, Rochette, Cohen...
  18. pinky166

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    ITA. I think Miki has a great shot at another World title, and Flatt, Nagasu, Gao (whoever is on the World team) could have a good shot at medaling. The field is so totally wide open now, with Laura, Carolina injured, Mao imploding, Yuna and Joannie as question marks, Mirai still recovering, Rachael working hard on the 3lz-3lo, Alissa's seeming comeback, Ksenia being a force on the senior circut, and the last spot on the Japanese World team undetermined (likely a battle between Murakami and Suzuki).
  19. smarts1

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    ^ From what it looks like, Murakami has a great chance at medalling this year. I mean her PCS is skyrocketing for someone who just came out of juniors with less hype than what Kim and Asada got when they got out of juniors.
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  20. museksk8r

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    Oh, please don't misunderstand me, I love unpredictability! My boredom so far comes from not personally enjoying many of the ladies' programs yet. It's not like ice dance where I've come to absolutely love many dancers' programs upon first viewing this season. The ladies aren't really grabbing my attention yet. Standouts for me so far are Alissa's, Carolina's, and Akiko's LPs though. Let's hope they all advance to Worlds and give their best showing there! :respec: As for Yu-Na and Joannie, I miss them and their skating/programs. I don't miss Yu-Na winning SPs by 20 points at all! ;)
  21. pinky166

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    I agree, but because we aren't sure if she'll even be on the team, it's hard to say. For example, I don't think Akiko will medal at worlds but do think it is possible that she might beat Kanako at nationals and be named to the World team instead so we shall see.

    Also, if Mao keeps imploding, are we sure JSF just wouldn't send Miki, Kanako, and Akiko instead? I know for the Olympics it was one thing, but honestly, if Mao doesn't have it together she really should not be competing at all this season and it would seem silly to send her if 3 other ladies are skating well and she isn't.
  22. miki88

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    It also depends on how Kanako and Akiko do in GPF. I imagine it's hard choice for JSF regarding Mao, but I think if she's in not good condition by nationals, I think there won't be a big fuss about it. Mao has always been someone who abided by the rules.
  23. smarts1

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    ^ Akiko is fairly consistent, and Kanako has had strong performances in the past. But even Akiko has been increasing her reputation in front of the judges (her PCS have also risen). I'd put my money on Akiko for now.
  24. judgejudy27

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    The fact she is already training it is very unlikely Kim wont be at Worlds and she only has to show up at 75% to beat Ando and 65% to beat most of those others you named. So unless Kim formally retires nobody you mentioned has a good shot. If the field stays as weak as it has been this season I would be surprised if Joannie doesnt show up too. And last year Mao was this bad and had her act together bigtime for the Olympics and Worlds, skating at a level none of those you mentioned can hope to aspire to right now. So we will see what happens this time.
  25. pinky166

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    Yuna is going to have to change her usual layout for Worlds though do to the new 2a rules, meaning unless she brings back the 3lo she will have to leave out the 3lz-3t or the 2a-3t and that will give her less of an advantage. Also we don't know how the judges will score her, it seems like in general scores this season are much lower than in past seasons...
  26. museksk8r

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    She could do:

    3Lutz+3toe
    3flip
    2Axel
    3toe+2toe+2loop
    x3Salchow
    x3Lutz
    x2Axel+2toe

    This layout wouldn't be too different points-wise from her old layout. Kim's layout isn't what really gave her an advantage; her quality of execution did.
  27. miki88

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    For Yuna, it really depends on her motivation and how well she is adapting to this coaching change. But if no one steps up by then, it's going to be pretty easy for her. I am hoping Joannie will come back, Mao will start to regain her form, and others like Mirai will start to show more of their potential or else it's going to be a snoozefest.
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    Is she competing?
  29. poths

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    Well that's nonsense, since the only jump Susanna missed in her LP at the Olympics was the salchow, that she doubled and can clearly do in her sleep.

    Korpii also went clean in 2006 Euros to make the Olympic team.


    I won't even bother point out Lambiel's perfect FP at worlds 2006...oops, just did.
  30. poths

    poths Well-Known Member

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    At the moment the challengers seem to be:

    Miki / Mao (despite the horrendous start) / Suzuki

    Nagasu / Czisny ( I refuse to believe any judge would let Flatt medal)

    Makarova (more top 6 than medals), Korpii (very unlikely that she'd ever go clean)

    Phaneuf (has the capacity)

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    MIA: Kim, Rochette, Lepisto

    Since I love a good underdog, a Podium of Korpii (on the senior scene since 2005), Suzuki (since 2002), Phaneuf (2004) and or Czisny (2004) would be EPIC. With the exception of Suzuki, they are all serial under performers who have only ever shown flashes of their capabilities (Cynthia 5th at Worlds, Korpii 4th in the Worlds SP, Czisny on the GP and Suzuki on the GP circuit too.)
  31. pinky166

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    I can't help wonder if Christina Gao makes the World team, which at this point seems like it could totally happen, if she might be able to sneak up onto the World's podium Meissner style ala 06, bring the 3-3s and take advantage of the open field. She is easily capable of getting the highest TES and if she goes clean her PCS won't be huge but should be sufficient enough to keep her on the medal stand.
  32. judgejudy27

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    Your scenario of Miki Ando winning Worlds and Gao medalling would require Kim to not show up at all (in addition to Rochette not showing up, Mao continuing to suck and probably missing the Japanese team, and everyone else continuing to skate their worst as most people have this season so far). After all just imagine how many falls over both programs Yu Na Kim would have to have to lose to Christina Gao, 5 or 6. :lol:
  33. miki88

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    Maybe Brian will be the one to get the last laugh. :lol: (Sorry just had to say that. :hat1:)
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    I had in mind a podium with Miki, Yuna, and Christina. Akiko, Kanako, Mao all so far seem hit or miss with their jumps this season, and one of them won't even be there. Imagine if Christina finishes ahead of Yuna at Worlds, I bet that would make Orser feel pretty good about himself! And I mean honestly, there's a chance Gao could be the JGPF champion and US champion come Worlds and if she is (or even manages to medal at both events), if she skates well her PCS should get a big boost. I mean, Mirai smashed her former personal best by like 22 points at the Olympics, these things can happen.
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    I believe I read in another thread that Kim is in training and may compete at Worlds. If so, and if she skates anywhere near her best (neither of which is a given at this point), I think she has a lock on gold. Otherwise, I think Lepistö with a SP with a 3T+3T, 3R, 2A and an LP with a 3Z, two 3R's (one in combo), a 3S (in combo), and a 3T+3T, plus super-high PCS, is right up there with the best of them. She won a bronze medal at Worlds without landing all of her planned content.

    As for Korpi, skating her programs clean and as planned apparently means landing a 3T+3T in both the SP and LP. The 3T has been her weakest jump (other than the 3A, which she's reportedly practiced but never attempted in competition), and she didn't even attempt it last season. If she can skate clean land all of her jumps, then she's potentially got a killer SP and an LP with seven triples (including two 3R's), and her PCS will go up. On the other hand, without the 3T's, she'd have a two-triple SP and a five-triple LP and would probably end up in the lower half of the Top Ten. That said, I'd love to see her master the 3T this season and skate clean at Worlds. :)
  36. miki88

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    It's not like Yuna to come unprepared, especially since she's building up for this one event. But I do think you have a point. If the field remains this weak come March, it is likely that Gao will play a factor if she gets to go this year, because frankly she has competing and doing well in a far deeper field than the senior ladies this year. If Mirai doesn't step up by Nationals, I can see Gao taking it.
  37. smarts1

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    The Olympics were very inflated, so there's not much of a comparison that can be made. Besides that, I don't think Gao should be on the team this year. She certainly has demonstrated that could do well on the World team, but I don't think it would be a good idea to send her with her lack of experience. She does seem prone to nerves in competition, and I don't think it's smart to send a girl who's never had experience on the international senior level. Same goes for Zawadzki. But I would definitely count them in for next year.
  38. judgejudy27

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    Yu Na would have to skate pretty awful to finish behind either Miki or Christina. That is my point. Even though both are World Champions the judges view Yu Na at a whole other level than Miki Ando. Unless Yu Na announces she is not going to Worlds someone like Ando certainly does not have a great shot or even a good shot at winning as you keep repeating. And if Yu Na skates well enough to medal (even if not great for her) the judges will for sure give her the gold unless someone like Mao or even Rochette shows up and skates lights out.

    And frankly I would be very surprised if Gao was on the World podium at all this year inspite of he open field. Murakami is clearly above Gao at this point even with Gao improving, and even she isnt likely to medal at Worlds. In fact I still dont see her even making the U.S team but I do concede she could make it, but I wouldnt bet on it at this point.
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  39. pinky166

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    I didn't mean in that order, if Yuna is back to her old form she should easily win, but we don't know what she'll do there and it will be her first competition in a year so it's hard to tell what she will do.

    Murakami is not clearly above Gao, Christina put up a 58+ score in the SP at JGP Graz which is higher than both of Kanako's SP scores this season, and she scored 108 and 109 for her FS that had mistakes and one less element than a senior FS, Kanako beat that by like 2 points at SA but take out the spiral and she's below that. Christina has also been more consistent with her jumps thus far, their spins are comparable, and Gao probably has jumps that are more prone to +GOE. They are very comparable and if anyone is ahead at this point I'd say it's Gao.

    Further, if Christina is clean at nationals and hits 3f-3t in the SP and FS I don't see her not being on the World team.
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    If the Olympics were so inflated, how do you explain Mirai's SP score at Worlds?