If Elena Radionova were able to compete at the 2014 Olympics, would she win a medal?

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Where would Elena Radionova place if she were able to compete at the 2014 Olympics?

Poll closed Sep 8, 2013.
  1. 1st (Gold)

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  2. 2nd (Silver)

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    0.0%
  3. 3rd (Bronze)

    1 vote(s)
    2.8%
  4. 4th

    1 vote(s)
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  5. 5th

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  6. 6th - 10th

    18 vote(s)
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  7. Outside the top 10

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  8. Would not make the Russian team

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

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    :respec:
  2. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    Nobody is crowning her champion right now, and everybody knows that puberty can change a body, and can impact a career very negatively. It doesn't mean we should not appreciate what she is doing well right now.
  3. Jaana

    Jaana Well-Known Member

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    I hope that ISU would change their rules and would not allow female skaters under 17 to participate in ANY senior competitions.
  4. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

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    Oh, noooo! It would be tragedy, in my opinion.
  5. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    17 ???? Isn't that too much for a senior age eligibility
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  6. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    YOu are OK with 15-16 year old male skaters competing as seniors but not ladies?

    Michelle Kwan had already won the world title at age 15, and a silver medal at age 16. Her career did not begin at age 17.

    Your recommendation is grossly unfair and it shows a lack of knowledge of figure skaters, who- like gymnasts- have a very narrow window physically to have a career.
  7. t.mann

    t.mann New Member

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    I am already excited to see ladies skating of the next quad.
    second Baiul(Radionova) vs second Harding(Gold).
  8. pat decaro

    pat decaro New Member

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    For a 14-year old, she seems well-focused. I hope she gain some more power, speed, and height to her jumps, then she'll be on a right track. She's already a phenominal skater for her age. This is what she said after Nebelhorn: Figure skater Radionova tends to ride beautiful as....

    Elena Radionova , won a landslide victory in his first senior competition - competition Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf , said the agency "F-Sport", which seeks to ride as beautiful and confident as Olympic champion and world champion Korean Kim Yu-Na.

    "As long as Axel in three and a half times I will not do - Radionova said, responding to a question about whether she's going to continue to complicate the program. - It is better to focus on the triple jump - and ride beautiful as Kim Yu-Na. She jumps triple so beautiful that her axel in three and a half turns is not necessary - it will benefit all of the components.'s what I want to jump like it. were to ease, a beautiful horse and beautiful jumps. If complicate the program, it is only moving the stages of the second half. "
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  9. Proustable

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    I'd be interested in pursuing the argument (though I'd make the age universal, not specific to female skaters) and assert we'd need to redefine what the sport is about if that was the case.
  10. KimGOAT

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    Who knows, maybe the sport would be better off if all skaters past werent allowed to compete at Worlds and Olympics until they were atleast 16. They made the change and seem happy with it. It probably wont change back anytime soon.
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    Skate America anyone? Oh dear.
  12. vmfan89

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    Regardless of where she would finish at the Olympics, I am sure that Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Leonova, Lipnitskaia, Pogorilaya, Gosviani and any other Russian lady with the potential of making the Olympic team are glad that she is too young to go.

    Seriously, what is Russia going to do with all this talent... Proklova, Sotskova, Medvedeva, Sakhanovich, Ogoreltseva, Stavitskaia, Agafonova, Biryukova, Korobeynikova? If they all competed for different countries I would say that most have a shot at having a decent career, but with them all from the same place, so many of them will not get much chances to compete internationally.

    Could some of these girls switch to pairs or is finding a decent partner a big struggle?
  13. hanca

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    They could switch to pairs, but pairs are getting a bit overcrowded too. 5 Russian junior pairs just got into JGPF!
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  14. Robeye

    Robeye Curiously curious

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    Thanks, pat decaro, for this find. In recent years, it is increasingly clear, as evidenced in the comments of up-and-coming young skaters, that Yuna is having a significant impact on the way future stars will skate, shaping them in her own image in one aspect or another. One sees it in Gracie's fangirl admiration in the US, and Zijun's hero-worship in China, and now Elena's moony homage in Russia. What is worth noting is that they are the very best young prospects that these disparate countries have to offer.

    There is a theory in literary circles that the pantheon of "The Greatest" is a creation of their successors. Not by bystanders or viewers or fans or critics, however impassioned, but by those who will literally follow and practice in their footsteps.

    That is to say, greatness is like a chain; Michelle is one of the greatest because there was something, or things, in her skating that subsequent great skaters responded to and were influenced by (in ways both direct and indirect, acknowledged and unacknowledged). Like Yuna Kim, for instance, who used to stand in front of a mirror, performing every move of a Kwan program from memory, possibly even pretending she was Michelle.

    Under this theory, how do we know that Yuna is making a strong case for being one of the greatest? Because of Gracie and Zijun and Elena, and the many others who may not be quite so prominent yet, who have begun to incorporate the best aspects of her skating, and eventually, one hopes, will individuate from that point of departure and make those aspects uniquely their own.

    The final stage: when those who were influenced by Yuna become champions in their turn, and themselves demonstrate their influence on the generation of skaters that follow, Yuna will become a permanent part of the skating Canon, or so the theory goes.

    This post is probably more relevant to a different thread, but your post set off a chain of thoughts. To rein it back in and return, finally, on topic, I will say this: being a very great admirer of Yuna's skating, this borrowed theory gives me yet another reason, in addition to her intrinsic talents, to root for this precocious sprite from Russia.

    Go Elena! :)
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  15. Maofan7

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    Given today's brilliant performance by Radionova at the NHK Trophy, Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva are extremely fortunate that she is not age eligible to compete at the Olympics. If she were, then Lipnitskaya and Radionova would be automatic picks for the 2 spots by now.
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  16. AndyWarhol

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    I would love to be cursed with Gedevanishvili's body. Anyone know of any "total babe" curses?
  17. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    they should be thanking Radionova 1 spot is still open ? :rofl:
  18. Sasha'sSpins

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    NHK Results

    FPl. Name Nation Points SP FS
    1 Mao ASADA
    JPN
    207.59 1 1
    2 Elena RADIONOVA
    RUS
    191.81 3 2
    3 Akiko SUZUKI
    JPN
    179.32 2 4
    4 Gracie GOLD
    USA

    Um... You were saying? :rofl:

    Well put! Elena is still just a child but she has tons of talent and potential. She's has'nt even begun to show her full potential. Awful Shmawful. Hopefully she'll survive the puberty monster and only get better with age.
  19. Finnice

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    She has a lot to do with polisihing her technique, but her radiant joy of skating is really lovely to watch. It radiates to the audience, even via tv. That´s why I like her.
  20. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    She needs to do something about that 2axel.
  21. mia joy

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    Ok, I've been sceptical, but after seing her at two GPs already gotta admit it's hard not to love this kid. She's just so freaking cute.
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Speaking of "freaking cute" ;) ... in case some haven't watched this yet, I'm re-posting this 10-minute profile video, produced by IMG, that was filmed primarily at the CSKA rink in Moscow and features more on Elena Radionova than Adelina Sotnikova (their interviews are translated into English, including Inna Goncharenko's, who coaches Radionova): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1LqZtubZos
    Elena is especially charming with her bubbly chatter and open facial expressions.
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    Grace posted a pic with Elena - she has over a head on her! I hope Elena survives puberty - sometimes these girls fizzle out and they cannot do the jumps as well...
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    I seem to remember a few years ago everyone talking about the incredibly talented up-and-coming Russian ladies and that Leonova, etc., were so lucky these young ladies who were absolutely going to win all of the medals in 2014 weren't eligible for 2010. Now we're here and all those same incredibly talented up-and-coming ladies are so lucky that the new up-and-comers aren't age eligible.
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Wow, all those grown ups and the little girl between them... I really didn't realize how small she was.
  27. Maofan7

    Maofan7 Away

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    And here it is
  28. Robeye

    Robeye Curiously curious

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    Gracie looks like Radio's fairy godmother here. :lol:

    C'mon, Gracie, don't you want to be seen as the one who gets the glass slipper? For now, stow the head bling, and never stand next to anyone who can still get candy on Halloween.
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  29. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Elena is so cute.
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    Pictures of Radionova hugging Mao at the medal ceremony. If this is not cute, I don't know what is! :D
  31. AndyWarhol

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    Haha, it looks like they should be wearing each others outfits. Who let Gracie wear that?
  32. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

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    I think she looks beautiful. :)

    ETA: Well, she may look beautiful, but now I think her beauty is skin deep.
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  33. lala

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    :lol: yes.
  34. Sasha'sSpins

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    Gracie posted that she looks like a 'giant' next to Elena lol!

    Btw is the tiara a new trend with people other than Royalty? It looks kind of silly imo for a banquet but that's just me.
  35. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    Oops. :lol:
  36. AndyWarhol

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    She does look beautiful, but the outfit is totally inappropriate.. both for her age and the occasion. Elena's little black dress would have been a better choice.
  37. Robeye

    Robeye Curiously curious

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    Elena's outfit is like something a medieval monk would wear, and it's a stroke of freaking genius. It so makes her look like the waif-y scullery maid that needs to be plucked out of Cinderella obscurity.
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  38. shine

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    You mean sooooo cute :swoon:
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    Elena looks like a little kid standing next to Gracie. A cute one.
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    it reminds me all the thread we had leading to Turino. Pointless.