If Elena Radionova were able to compete at the 2014 Olympics, would she win a medal?

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Where would Elena Radionova place if she were able to compete at the 2014 Olympics?

Poll closed Sep 8, 2013.
  1. 1st (Gold)

    1 vote(s)
    2.8%
  2. 2nd (Silver)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. 3rd (Bronze)

    1 vote(s)
    2.8%
  4. 4th

    1 vote(s)
    2.8%
  5. 5th

    2 vote(s)
    5.6%
  6. 6th - 10th

    18 vote(s)
    50.0%
  7. Outside the top 10

    7 vote(s)
    19.4%
  8. Would not make the Russian team

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Maofan7

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    Back in 2005/06, Mao Asada was able to compete in the Grand Prix, but was not eligible to compete at the Olympics and at the World Championships as she was born 87 days too late. During that season, she beat all of the skaters who would go on to make the podium at the Olympics (Shizuka Arakawa, Sasha Cohen, and Irina Slutskaya), and had she been eligible to compete, she would probably have entered the competition as the favourite.

    Elena Radionova is in a similar position to the one Mao was in back in 2005/06. She is eligible to compete in the senior Grand Prix and will be competing at Skate America and in the NHK Trophy. However, she is not eligible to compete at the Olympics (or the World and European Championships) as she was born 6 months 5 days too late. Nevertheless, were she able to compete at the Olympics, where would she place? Would she win a medal or would she even make the Russian team?
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  2. lala

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    I voted to 6th-10th, she is too young, but incredible talented!!
  3. caseyedwards

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    I don't think she would do that well. I just think if she got all level 4 on non jump elements and did 7 or 8 triples the GOE and PCS wouldn't be enough to even get near a medal!! PCS has changed since Mao days of beating all contenders for 2006 gold. Bottom half of top 10. Zijun Li got 4th in the free skate at 2013 worlds and that was with everything working extremely well with no problems at all so maybe more top 5 but not mathematically close to medaling.
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  4. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    :rofl:

    she isnt even gonna win any GP medals this season, thats for sure, she'll wait her turn after 2014
    just pcs is not comparable
  5. kwanatic

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    I love Elena's spunk and her energy when she skates. She does a great job of listening to her music and she's also a good performer.

    However, she is not at the level needed to compete for an Olympic medal...not with Yu-Na, Mao, Carolina, etc. She's just not there yet.

    If she makes it past the puberty monster with her jumps still intact, I think she's going to be great in this next quad. But she and the rest of the newer girls will have to wait until after Sochi...
  6. caseyedwards

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    She could win a medal in Skate America. Basically it will be tough for her win a GP medal but it's not for sure she wont. She could be 3rd and 4th or two 4th's but like I said her PCS isn't there to compete. Even Julia Lipnitskaia could not beat Mao when she was doing double or triple the amount of triples Mao was doing! LOL! At this point the only thing Radionova has is jumps and that isn't enough at all. Even if she's complimented on her musicality it's just at 6 and maybe 7.
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  7. lala

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    Why do you think so? Remember Tukt, she won two GP gold in 2011!! For me Elena is better like Tukt was at that time.
  8. caseyedwards

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    It would be tough for Radionova to do that because she is up against Mao twice! Mao only needs like 2 or 3 triples to win a GP event.
  9. lala

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    oh...yes, you are right! But she can win silver... Tukt beat Caro at SC ;)
  10. Li'Kitsu

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    Yeah, and of course that is completly independant from how the other girls skate :rolleyes:

    Personally, I really like Radionova, and I think she's a better skater than Lipnitskaya and potentionally a bigger thread to the senior medals than her. The thing is, when Tuktamysheva won her two gold medals, Yuna wasn't around, Mao wasn't at her best, and Carolina wasn't doing the content she does now. So it will be harder to medal this time around. It doesn't matter much though, I just hope she'll make it through puberty and stay a main contender for the next quad :)
  11. Li'Kitsu

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    Yeah, and of course that is completly independant from how the other girls skate :rolleyes:

    Personally, I really like Radionova, and I think she's a better skater than Lipnitskaya and potentionally a bigger thread to the senior medals than her. The thing is, when Tuktamysheva won her two gold medals, Yuna wasn't around, Mao wasn't at her best, and Carolina wasn't doing the content she does now. So it will be harder to medal this time around. It doesn't matter much though, I just hope she'll make it through puberty and stay a main contender for the next quad :)
  12. caseyedwards

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    Tuktamisheva did beat kostner in 2011. I think that was pre flip but certain it was pre lutz. And she lost to czisny in teb in the fs. She won events without winning a free skate.

    1- it kind of was! Lipnitskaia was virtually flawless in coc but Suzuki bombed the sp NHK but asada still amazingly placed second in the free skate.

    2- kostner and Yuna aren't in the radionova events but Suzuki and Wagner are. Gold too.
  13. TheIronLady

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    She is awful.
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  14. lala

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  15. Maofan7

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    New article on Elena Radionova who will shortly be competing at the Nebelhorn Trophy
  16. judgejudy27

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    Absolutely not. Her long term potential might be good (although I am not even totally sold on that yet) but she has alot to work at this point to be a very top senior lady. It would have to be the splattiest womens event in Olympic history for her to have come near a medal if had been eligible for Sochi. Not to mention I dont think she would have even made the Russian Olympic team if eligible, especialy with only 2 spots. Now if she tears up the grand prix I might have to eat my words, but as of right now, definitely not.
  17. orientalplane

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    :blah: And that is an awful thing to say about a 14 year-old child who cannot possibly be expected to have fully developed her presentation yet.

    Is it really necessary to be so unpleasant all the time? :rolleyes:
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  18. Jammers

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    Let's talk about this girl two years from now when she isn't about 5 feet tall and 75 lbs. Right now she's just another tiny tot from Russia who's a jumping bean but things can change as we've seen from some of the other Russian wonder babies.
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    Really? She is a young skater with a ton of potential. She may develop into something great or she may fall prey to the puberty monster. We don't know yet. To say that she is "awful" at her young age is downright unfair.
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    :blah:

    Actually, she is pretty fantastic. She's got the jumps, presentation and spins. She has things to work on but what 14 year old skater doesn't? I'd say she's well ahead of the curve. The only awful thing here is your comment.
  21. lala

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    i agree...
  22. caseyedwards

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    Sure she could turn into another sotnikova or tuktamisheva but maybe she won't!!
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    or into a Michelle Kwan
  24. oleada

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    Yeah, skaters who medalled in the GP and Europeans in their first season are so disappointing! :rolleyes:
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  25. itoaxel

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    She is super talented but she would not be ready to medal in such a field, either in ability or reputation wise with the judges. She could well be the skater to beat in the next quad though. She is that good.
  26. Jammers

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    Lets see where Elena is in 18-24 months when she won't look like she's 12 anymore. Either she will have survived puberty and kept her jumps and added speed and power or she's just another wunderkind who didn't survive.
  27. NadineWhite

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    To answer the question posed in the title of this thread, "no".

    I saw her and her skate for the first time today and I was not impressed. In fact I got up to get lunch in the middle of it, that's how unimpressed I was.

    But she's in good company, I felt the same way about the following when they first appeared on the junior scene: Tara, Mao, Mirai, Caroline Z., Bebe, Michelle, and the list goes on & on ad infinitum.

    The only one that I ever felt differently about is Oksana Baiul. She was mature beyond her years from the first tiime she stepped on the ice. Never before or since have I felt that way about a skater.

    As for all the rest, I prefer them to *ferment* first before they enter the elite level of senior skating, wherein they finally become fine wine... jmho. :)
  28. Ziggy

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    Whenever I see gushing about Radionova, I immediately want to be a killjoy and point out that Lipnitskaia, Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva were all touted to be future Olympic/World champions. Then came puberty and spoiled the party. :p

    Radionova is great, yes. But she has a body of a pre-pubescent girl at the moment. Tiny, wispy and totally flat. Who knows how she's going to adapt to puberty.
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    While I agree with then general gist of your comment, I'm going to point out that that trio certainly can still compete and win world and Olympic gold medals. Just probably not in six months.
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    I think of Toller Craston going on and on about Cindy Bortz.
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    It was very unfortunate what happened to both of them at worlds! That just goes to show the state of Euro ladies that they were second and third at Euros then went to worlds and 9 and 10. Not getting 3 spots for Sochi Olympics which was 100% guarantee. Everyone saw the state of Sotnikova a earlier this month.
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    That's true of all the young girls. Nobody is crowning them champions yet, but there is nothing wrong with praising her for what she is doing well right now.

    Sotnikova, Tuk, etc. are not exactly duds. They are young ladies working hard to overcome the changes in their bodies. It's too early to write them off, and too early to write off Radionova.
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    Bort's jumping at the 87 World Juniors was actually quite amazing for the time, especialy for a junior skater. Only Ito and on her best days Manley could outjump her in the whole World at the time with a performance like that. Yet a year later at U.S Nationals she was already a massive shadow of what she had been a year earlier:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hH3lLs1WK4

    She was never heard from after that. Holly Cook who was nowhere near Bortz as a junior and was 4th at that same World Junior event even flew past her and went on to become a World medalist (incidentally nobody who medaled at those World Juniors even came close to qualifying for a Worlds out of their country, and all were retired soon, while 4th place Cook went on to be the 1990 World bronze medalist).
  35. kuzytalent

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    Those of you who dont think Elena would have any chance of a medal at the 2014 Olympics had she competed need to give your heads a shake. Her performances at Nelberhorn on home ice would likely point her over 200 points and with the inconsistent field, except probable gold medalist Yu Na Kim, that could easily be a medal wining score in Sochi. It doesnt matter since she wont be able to compete but she certainly would have had a medal chance. People who say nonsense like she wouldnt be able to beat a clean Asada and clean Kostner for the silver and bronze medals, how likely is it that Kostner and Asada will skate clean? No chance or close to none. So atleast look at in a more realistic way, could Radianova beat them and the rest of the field with the type of errors they are likely to make. The answer is definitely it is possible, not certain, but would have been possible.

    For sure the Russians will be upset they cant send her. The girls they will send, whoever they are, dont have a hope to medal. She would have. She is already the best Russian skater and will probably win Russian Nationals this year.
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    123 points for rather smallish jumps and not great speed or ice coverage is rather ridiculous. I'm glad a 4'11 girl with a prepubescent body who's mainly a jumping bean isn't going to be at the Olympics. There is more to skating and i want to see the whole package from a skater who looks and skates like a Senior Lady. Yes she's very talented but puberty and growth spurts could change all that.
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  37. Vash01

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    If she skates like that at the world level, I don't think she will get those high scores. Her PCS will be lower to make room for the more mature skaters. I really want her to develop into a champion, but if she makes the 2014 Olympic team, she will not be even in the top 5, unless most top skaters make multiple mistakes. JMO.
  38. bek

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    Julia hasn't even had a eligible Senior career yet. And as for Tukt and Sotnikova, whose to say they won't ever be world or Olympic champions. They are both young. How many skaters actually are first their first season?

    And as for not placing higher that was a pretty deep field.
  39. mia joy

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    ITA. I'm through getting all excited about the wonder babies before they hit puberty. They can as well be cursed with a body of Gedevanishvili. She was a wonder child once too and look where puberty got her.

    Lets see how she does two years from now before we name her the future Olympic champion.
  40. Li'Kitsu

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    Good lord, isn't it enough already? Have you somehow swallowed an old tape and have something stuck on the repeat button? There are already two copies of your usual 'blabla she's still young so what she can do now means nothing blabla'-posts in this thread - if you're so disparaging of these young russian girls, then why do you spent so much time posting abut them? Just leave it alone, it's annoying as hell.
    Yes, people over-hyping those young skaters up to later stardom are annoying and stupid, but people who just dsimiss all of their hard work and good skills are stupid just as much. Elena might not make it through puberty, but that doesn't change the fact of what she's capable of now. And right now, she has a very difficult jumping layout and a much more joyful and whole-hearted presentation than the majority of the senior girls. Nothing wrong with loving her for that.

    What an unfair world, I want to be cursed too! :D
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