Icelandic Volcano Causes European Flight Cancellations

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  1. BigB08822

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    Do they have any idea how long this one may last? Is there a way for them to have any kind of clue or is it completely unknown when this will end? That could be really awful, will people begin having to fly around the world if they need to get from Europe to the US, assuming they can even take off and go anywhere.
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    I wonder if this cloud will move further east? DH is in Dubai on business right now and will fly to China tomorrow, and that flight is still on schedule. And he will fly back to US next Sunday. Hopefully everything will be cleared by then.
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    I don't know how well that will have worked out for him. The eurostar is booked solid till Monday. There's no way he'd be able to get a ticket back to the UK from here, and Norweigan airspace should reopen today if it hasn't already. Belgium will be affected longer...and I'd rather be stuck in Oslo than Brussels :scream:

    I have a friend stuck in Cairo. It's not the airline's fault, nor the insurance people, so they're refusing to pay for accommodation of rebooking on another flight. Unless she stays in the airport until UK airspace is cleared, she'll be out of pocket.

    I wouldn't assume that airlines are legally obliged to offer a refund - they'll possibly just offer rebooking at a later date. BUT - that said, they'd lose a lot of customers and credibility over that so there will quite possibly be an exception made here.
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  5. *Jen*

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    So basically - (and this applies to the EU only, not the US) a volcano is an act of god and the airlines are not legally obliged to do anything. It could therefore depend on travel insurance.

    FYI - under international law, the laws regulating an aircraft or an airline will be the laws in which that airline is registered. For example, British Airways operate under British laws even if they are in the US. United operate under US laws even if they're in the UK, so the EU regulations are just for airlines which are registered within Europe (even if they operate outside of it).

    Not directed at you, Allezfred - just an observation if anyone else was interested :p

    I know SO many people affected - the list is growing by the hour. We're all quite pleased that my boss is stuck on the other side of the continent though :shuffle:

    Nope - the volcano is MORE active now. It hasn't spewed ash 11km into the air in a long time. The winds are affecting it. How do you think it got into the jet stream? ;)

    The winds across Europe at the moment are nor-westerly, which is why it is covering the whole continent. If you look up the jet stream, you'll see that many southern and eastern countries that are affected today wouldn't be if it were just the jet stream :)
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  6. marbri

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    It's a different eruption site now, it's not that it's more active. The first eruption in March was on a mountain pass between the two glaciers. This latest one is on one of the glaciers and a different type of eruption which has been a problem for air traffic since it erupted.
  7. Really

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    My school has a group of 20 junior high kids and some parents, along with one teacher and our principal over in Europe right now. They're supposed to be flying home from Rome via Montreal on Wednesday. I saw this morning, that some flights out of a Rome airport have been cancelled. I hope our crew is able to get home as planned, but yes, fred, I'd rather see them wait until it's safe. I just hope that if they are delayed, the tour company they're with (Explorica) has some contingency plans.
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    The airlines are legally obliged to refund or reroute you. And provide accommodation and food. Aside from that, as this is an "act of God", they don't have to pay anything extra as they would if say their aircraft broke down.

    Of course, you're correct that this only applies to the EU. I think I'll bring this up next time I hear somebody complain about bureaucrats in Brussels. ;)
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    There was also a school group of about 38 people from California stuck in Lisbon, yesterday.

    :(
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    oooh - sorry, misread it because of the 'act of God part'.

    Well at least the Eurocrats are doing something useful. But the Belgian ones? :scream: When I complain about bureaucracy in Brussels, I always complain about it on a national level ;)

    It would seem that many airlines are taking the strictest possible interpretation of their obbligations. The lucky ones have beds in the airport, and many are just sleeping on the floor. I've heard lots of stories from all over Europe about people who are out of pocket paying for hotels, which makes me :confused:
  11. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    Anyone planning to travel in the nearish future should check with their specific airline to see what they will do in the event of more cancellations due to the ash because not all of them are providing food and accomodation.

    They offer flight refunds and rebookings (within certain time frame so those who were planning vacations might want to read the fine print and go for the refund if you can't get more time off work) but many passengers are reaching into their own pockets for food and accomodation because some airlines are saying this isn't their fault so it's their "out".

    Just something to keep in mind because no one knows how this thing will go. There is a major volcano, Katla, in the same area that is overdue for an eruption. She's a lost nastier then the one going off now and will most definitely cause more air traffic problems. Don't mean that to be alarmist but rather more realistic and something to have in your mind when making decisions. Personally I hope she blows sooner than later just to get it over with.
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    Read the last few paragraphs of this article. Last time this volcano erupted the eruptions lasted a year, but there was no air travel at that time. And then...another volcano joined in spewing toxic gas that killed Europeans.

    This could go on for awhile...worst case...

    http://news.ca.msn.com/world/cp-article.aspx?cp-documentid=23872147

    I'm so glad I took my Iceland vacation in 2008 before the economy collapsed and the volcanoes went crazy. Such a beautiful, beautiful place. Perhaps my most favorite trip.
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    Dang. Are we going to have to bring back the ocean liners? No travel plans for us, but it does make you think. With all our technology, we're never going to be in total control.
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    Despite the last eruption mentioned in the article, no one knows how long it will go on. It's impossible to predict. Yes, it went on for a while last time, but each eruption is different and it depends on winds and a range of other factors.

    Honestly, the media is gettig a little hysterical, as are some people. A friend of mine wrote on facebook that the UK has cancelled all flights until next saturday. They haven't. They'll reassess at midnight tonight, which is a week earlier than she claimed :rofl:

    I hope it ends soon - I shudder to think what will happen if it doesn't. I'm already :scream: at the long term effects. It could mean a cooler summer for Europe, which after our :cold: winter, I don't want!
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    Careful, that borders on hysteria ;)
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    We're all going to die! It'll go on for years! it's the apocalypse! WE HAVE TO STOP THIS VOLCANO :mitchell:

    :p
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    I think if you didn't have family responsibility back home then you might rather enjoy being stuck in Europe for a few extra days. I think I would.
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    Eys. A friend of mine is stuck on her honeymoon. She's devastated :p
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    Interesting article on World Leader's attempts to make it to Lech Kazcynski's funeral in Poland. Obama has cancelled plans to attend. :(

    Obama Cancels Plans
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    I'm more :rofl: about the gold card BA frequent flyer on the children's bike!
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    I'm really starting to hate this place. :wall:
  24. *Jen*

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    Hate the volcano. It's the volcano's fault!

    Have you been to Richmond? If not, do that. It's a lovely place, has a beautiful park and there's also a bit of a village feel. It's well away from the hustle and bustle of London's centre.
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    It could be worse. One of the pro cyclists on Team Sky who is from Norway went out to an oil rig to make an appearance and do a spinning class, and has been stuck on the oil rig since Wednesday.

    Hope you get home soon.
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    I just spent 5 hours on schiphol airport giving out free coffee and tea. Some people were seriously looking at me like I dropped from heaven. I really feel for these people, some of them are going to spend their 3rd night on the floor there right now. Hotels are charging an insane amount of money.... I can get very mad at that... If I wouldn't live on the other side of the country and would have had a bigger house I would have taken people home...poor guys... :(
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  27. marbri

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    Major :respec::respec: to you. Been reading how hotels, car rentals etc...are jacking up their prices to cash in on the demand so it's nice to read this side of it.
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    I know several people who are choosing to stay at the airport they're stuck at despite being offered accommodation, because they want to be there when the flights start back again.
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    So did Stephen Harper.
    At least he could take a ferry, a couple of trains, and some taxis to *get* home.
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    "...he bought a women's bike for 49 euro (£43) while his colleague picked out a bright pink contraption with a giant basket in front."

    :rofl: I would have loved to have seen the parade of bicycle riders wobbling up the ferry's ramp.
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    Hollywood is going to have a field day with this topic. I can hardly wait for the first movie to come out. hehehe :rofl:
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    I'm confused. Why are hotels jacking up the prices? For every person stranded in Europe, isn't there someone from North America, Asia, Australia or somewhere else in Europe who can't fly and take up the hotel room they had booked?
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    because most hotels here are fully booked anyway, it's extremely difficult to get a hotelroom and the hotels want to make some money...:mad:
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    4rkidz GPF Barcelona here I come

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    we have many europeans from various airlines including Air France stranded at airport with no food and no money.. If i was closer I would follow your lead.. not sure who said airlines cover food costs from Europe but its not happening here :(
    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/04/17/volcanic-ash-europe-flights.html
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    today I heard some noises, that they are trying to help out families and kids atleast, putting them in bungalowparcs or something... also I heard lots of Dutch people are being generous offering their homes.

    I am working at some highspeed train lounge today. Occasionally I have some stressed people coming in asking me for information or something. I had a lady here crying, because she couldn't fly out with her 11month old and had no mobile phone... I let her use mine... some other guy just came to ask if I don't know a way to book a trainticket to Athens... and I can't do that through the internet...

    and actually I'd just send these people away but my heart just can't....

    at the airport I know they are giving out some sandwiches, and yesterday we were there with coffee and tea... and some people are getting blankets and a pillow... but I did hear of 2 older ladies sitting there, and they asked for a blanket and a pillow and they did.not.get.it :mad: meh... "only if you have small children" or something like that....
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    Kudos for you, Deedeelocks!
    I also feel for the people stuck at the airports, but this really is something one can not predict, I guess. We are so used to that everything goes as we plan that it creates stress, even hysteria.

    I am in Toscana, but will leave at 29th to Salzburg via Zurich, then back to Finlan d on the 1st of May. My husband got an extra holiday, because of the evaluation congress next week in Finland had to be cancelled.

    Like Hanna, I think there is something poetical about in all this. Volcanoes are older that flying machines. A man can not control everything. I still keep on wrting postcards. Let´s see when they reach home, if ever.
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    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0418/travelupdates.html

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    yeah, my friend saw an airplane fly in the sky today...
    hope they will be able to fly some people out again soon... :drama:

    I was just downstairs at the international trainticket office and :eek: it's a biiiiiiiiiiiig mess!!
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    Too bad the ships don't do the transatlantic route anymore.
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    It's possible to get from London to Sydney and back by bus though :D

    I'm sure the ships will start up again if this continues!

    The problem is that we have fantastic weather here at the moment. And the same pressure systems which are keeping us under a cloudless sky, are keeping the ash on the continent. We need rain and strong winds to get rid of it, and it's not forecast for a week.

    No flights till tomorrow, they're now saying.