Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by igniculus, May 6, 2008.
I'm glad Nora & Max get to compete now.
Ha! More news with rather shocking detailes about the Hoffmann-Zavozin partnership!! Article in the online version of Blikk, the main Hungarian tabloid.
They purchased a guy for her
At the European Championships next January, they are expected to finish in the top 5.
Nora Hoffmann was bought a guy! Well, not literally, as she is in a relationship for years now. It was the Hungarian Skating Federation that looked deep into the pocket so that the [junior] world silver medalist can continue ice dancing.
It came to our attention that the Hungarian Federation payed 50 000 US dollars (10 million HUF) to the US Figure Skating Association to get Nora's partner's, Maxim Zavozin's competitive release. Half of the sum is already payed to the USFSA, the other half, 25 000 dollars (5 million HUF) will be payed in smaller instalments. No similarly high amount of money was ever payed in the history of Hungarian figure skating, but insiders claim it was all worth.
"Maxim Zavozin is a junior world champion and had other offers too and we are delighted that he picked Nora to skate with, for our country" Gabriella Remport told the Blikk, who will guide the team's progress in Hungary with her husband, Sandor Nagy. "Everybody in this discipline came together to help us, even Nikolai Morozov helps. He charges less for the choreography than usual. Hoffmann & Zavozin can place in the top 5 at the European Championships next January."
Nora & Max trained in Budapest this Wednesday, but they'll head to train in Russia on Sunday. If everything goes well, they will compete at the international competition of Zagreb next week.
"Max had indigestion, and I had an inflammation in my foot, I lived on antibiotics. We will only compete if we'll completely healthy" Nora told us.
Zavozin tries to find his place here so he is taking Hungarian lessons.
"He can already understand and use the terms and words connected to ice dance. My parents can't speak English, so he speaks Hungarian with them. If he messes up some words, he just smiles and says 'I'm tired'" Nora added.
Zavozin already has a residential permit, now he applied to the citizenship by the president.
Photo caption #1: Nora Hoffmann & Maxim Zavozin waited longer than a year to be able to compete.
Photo caption #2: They're already used to eachother.
Holy shiz! 50 000 buks!
I so can't wait to see these two.She is sooo talented .I hope they do well.
C'mon, we're talking about the ice-dance career of DivaNóra!
...even the IMF can't resist.
Finishing in the top 5 at Euros? Isn't it a bit too early to make such statements? In order to finish in the top 5 they'll need to beat at least one of these three teams - the Kerrs, Faiella/Scali and Pechalat/Bourzat, which IMHO not gonna happen. Top 10 sounds more realistic and even then Nora/Maxim will have hard times facing the Zaretskis, baby Italians and Fraser/Lukanin.
I'm pretty sure they will look fabulous together, can't wait to see them compete again! However, knowing how judges can take time to reward a team and how quickly they can forget some couples and make them drop the rankings (for example the Beiers), I'm not so sure they'll achieve their 5th place so quickly...9th or 10th at Europeans would already be quite an achievement I think!
Come on, it's a tabloid after all.
No pressure Maxim, the Federation paid $50,000 for your....umm.....talent, don't trip or drop diva Nora and make sure your place in the top five.......
They'd do well to crack the top 10, and/or beat the Zeretskis
Very interesting! $50,000 USD is a lot of money.
I wonder how much the USFSA is going to have to pay Skate Canada to release Gislason?
I'm under the impression Gislason has been released, or maybe USFS will wait and see how they place before offering the big .
A bit more than the minivan in the Japan-Russia deal.
I read the Hungarian text, and the (quote by coach?)/article actually says that H+Z "could" - as in "there is possibility for this team to finish within the Top 5 at Euros...." so therefore, I would interpret this remark as being a competition goal for H+Z rather than as a definitive statement.
Hell yeah, it is - actually the worst ever It kind of reminds me that the only Croatioan newspaper publising anything about Idora Hegel was totally in the same category. I don't remember the name of the paper, but I do remember, that no "regular" or sports paper even wrote about her retirement. (Which was sleightly offtopic, but still.)
So, are they at Golden Spin? If so, any reports?
I just caught the end of an interview in the radio with Júlia, and she talked about "possibly going to Zagreb", but I suppose that was not live... I'm not sure.
Hoffmann/Zavozin are definitely don't, as he is sick, and Kati Hatford and Tigran Vardanjan are about sure to be there.. Júlia is a big question mark as always.
A bit older article with Julia Sebestyen, was published around the weekend of Cup of China.
Julia Sebestyen healthy again
She should have been in Beijing skating at the Cup of China, but our European champion figure skater watched the competition only on TV. She won it two years ago. Her injury is cured, however, and she can start her season at the Golden Spin international competition in Zagreb, on the 14-15th November.
Why are you here at home and not in Beijing?
All my problems started during summer but I didn't really care about them: about the fact that my Achilles was hurting a bit. At the beginning of September, however, after a training session, I got such pains in my leg that I almost wasn't able to take the ice the next day. I was on injection threapy and had to have a two-week pause, because my doctors found out I hade tendovaginitis. After the break I started training again but it turned out I wasn't fully healthy yet. I recieved every kind of treatment imagineable, physiotherapy, I had vibration training, I was icing my leg, but no success. Another MRI examination showed that my jumping muscles were inflamed due to probable overload. I recieved medicines to cure the inflammation and they helped finally. In between it turned out too, that my old boot probably had something to do with my inflammation too, so I got new ones. I train for 3 weeks now in this new one and I had no problems at all.
But you couldn't start the competitive season at the time you wanted to.
I entered 3 competitions, at Oberstdorf, in Vienna and in Beijing but I couldn't go to them. The Cup of China is happening right now, I watch it on Eurosport... But to get completely healthy again is of highest priority. No sense to risk anything. My doctors warned me to do everything step by step to not fall back and get the muscles inflamed again.
Do you know by now when your first competition will be and where?
Yes, I'll leave to Zagreb at the end of the next week to the Golden Spin, where I entered late and the week after, on Wednesday, I'll leave to Moscow to compete at the Cup of Russia.
How many Hungarian competitors will there be in Zagreb?
In the ladies, Kati Hadford will be there too, in the men's singles Tigran Vardanjan will compete. It's also possible that the team of Nora Hoffmann & Maxim Zavozin will compete in the ice dance category too. They're currently training in Moscow but it's possible that they might come too.
You already competed in Zagreb this year, at the past European Championship where you placed 4th. But if I'm not mistaken, you also competed at the Golden Spin before.
Yes, around the year 2000 more than once, but after that, I was always invited to Grand Prix competitions and the schedule conflicted [with the Golden Spin]. But I have dear memories of this competition, I usually stood at the podium, even if the competitions were not easy at all.
Will the competition be hard this year too?
To be honest, I haven't even checked the entry list on the internet yet.
You haven't?! One would believe the competitors start to look for the entries as soon as they are posted to see who they'll need to compete against.
I skate to get the best results possible, of course. But this is my first competition this fall, and for me, the most important thing right now is to try my programs for the first time, to compete before a judging panel or to see how easy I can tire out.
What are your programs for the 2008/2009 season?
In the long, I'll still skate to Edvin Marton's selections and some parts of the program are the same as last year. But in the middle, we changed the choreography totally. We changed the jumping layout, and according to the new rules, I'll need to perform only 3 spins instead of 4, and we upgraded the levels in them, as well as in the spiral sequence. So it's quite a change. My short program music is totally new, the first part is to Secret Garden's slow piece, the second half is to Libertango, which means a completely new choreography too.
Which also means the costumes will be new this season, too, I assume, even though they were gorgeous last year too.
Yes! They are designed (and made) by [Hungarian designer] Tamas Naray, and I'll skate in them in Zagreb, even though I still haven't recieved them.
There is also a pic, but I dunno when it was taken.
And this one was posted today after her victory in Zagreb at the Golden Spin.
Julia Sebestyen victorious in Zagreb
Due to her injury, Julia Sebestyen was forced to start her competitive season late, and our former European champion debuted quite impressive as she won the Golden Spin international competition in Zagreb.
The traditional competition of Zagreb, the 41st Golden Spin was held in the very same Dom Sportova arena as the European Championships this past January.
The 2004 European champion Julia Sebestyen finished 4th at the Europeans last time and barely missed the podium. Now, she won with an impressive lead at this international competition. She won the short programs on Friday with the highest score, just like the freeskate on Saturday.
Julia Sebestyen won the ladies event with 146,78 total points, ahead of Jenna McCorkell (134,98) of Great Britain and Josh Helgesson of Sweden (134,02). The competition of 20 ladies had another Hungarian competitor, Katherine Hadford, who finished 11th with a score of 102,97.
"I had many problems with my right foot during summer. The doctors diagnosed me with tendovaginitis first, it turned out later that my jumping muscles were inflamed too. I had to withdraw from the Cup of China, so I'm very pleased that after only 2-3 weeks of training I was able to win here in Zagreb. I'm sad I messed up the 2Axel in the short program, but the 3Lutz-2TL and the 3Flip were beautiful, everybody was so complementary of my new program. In the freeskate, the first part was great, the 3Lutz-2TL-2Ritt, the 3Flip-2TL combinations and the second 3Lutz were easy. I must admit I got a little bit tired in the middle, I can feel the missed training time on my stamina, but the 2Axel at the end was beautiful again. Before I left to Croatia, I recieved my new dresses from designer Tamas Naray, they were successful too. I'll participate in the gala on Sunday, but I'll come home in the evening. I'll train on Monday and Tuesday, and on Wednesday, I'll leave to Moscow for the Cup of Russia" Julia Sebestyen said.
In case you are still interested in the small and obskure state of Hungarian figure skating, I have some new tidbits for you that I just noticed on the homepage of the HUN federation.
There was a meeting between the Hungarian Olympic Comittee and the heads of the various skating disciplines this week where they discussed the state of progress towards Vancouver 2010, funding, and all the of course.
Most important parts:
- it would be great if Julia Sebestyen could place well at Worlds in LA and could secure 2 spots for women at the olympics.
- they don't have such high hopes for Tigran Vardanjan (2-time national champion), the son of Sebestyen's coach.
- Kristof Trefil seems to have a new pairs partner, a girl with the family name "Yarkunova", but I haven't got the faintest idea who she might be. Their absolute goal is to make the 24-cut at Worlds to present their LP too.
- apparently the tabloids were wastly exaggarating when it came to the sum the federation payed for Maxim Zavozin to get him released (like anyone is going to believe it now, ha ). Nora & Max made a deal with the federation that they'll pay the money back, which they'll earn at shows. Max's Hungarian citizenship migth be a little problematic though as he has no Hungarian roots and to get the citizenship otherwise, he needs to spend quite some time in Hungary... but the fed is still hopeful.
- the Hungarian Olympic Comittee learned from all the mistakes they made at the Beijing Olympics [-> Hungarian athletes performed much poorer than expected and they all blamed the lack of support financially, physically, mentally, etc.]. They want to provide better support for the athletes competing towards the Vancouver Olympics. There is a possibility to make an application, for the first time for winter Olympic athletes too, to get a monthly financial support from the Olympic Comitte. But they'll only recieve it if the application is successfully accepted.
Thanks for these informations
What is it they say about smoke and fire?
USFS accepting a payoff for a skaters release never, that just wouldn't be fair would it?
Oh, but this makes it easier to believe, USFS is accepting a promise to pay because we all know the guaranteed future a dance team hasthey manage to stay injury free and they never break up .....yeah, thats a bankable deal.
I thought that they meant that H/Z would pay the HUngarian Federation back, But, I could be wrong.
That may be......still a risky deal either way.
Good goal!! Sad thing is that the cut off for pairs is 20
I didn't know that. Sorry. The text said is to make it to the LP, I thought it was the same as with singles.
Don´t worry, they should even make the 20, not so many times there are more pairs in the comp.
So when are we going to see Diva Nora and new partner skate ?
Is there ANY news on Poth?
Nothing I've heard of, other than her photoshoots.
Diva Nora was spotted at CoR in the stands.
EYS, I've heard that too.
One set of photos is and the other is (aka ugly version of Idora Hegel)
There was a lengthy interview with Júlia Sebestyén last night on M2, the second state TV of Hungary. It is 45 minutes long, and I'm not mazochist enought to translate all of it (as I'm sure only few posters would read it anyway ), but here is a summary of what she was talking about.
- her carrier's highs and lows, that she considers the 2004 Europeans and 2002 Olympics as highlights of her carrier
- her injuries (she broke her legs twice in her carrier) and how that was a small kind of break in her "rise"
- her coaching change after the last olympics, and how the work with the Vardanjans changed her training methods, like focusing on choreography, refining the jumps and spins from a technical aspect
- her work with a sports psychologist; although she adds that no sports spychologist can help you to win competitions if you don't have the technical abilities or the preparation yourself for the actual competition
- from the conversation, it turnes out that she has completed the necessary education to be an international judge (or specialist? or caller?)
- that she likes to have a Hungarian theme in her programs or in the choreography (like using music by Hungarian musicans, like working with pianist Csilla Szentpetery last season, or Edvin Marton; or using folk themes like she did in the past)
-- 2005 Europeans, how she should have been on the podium, but after a judging error, she ended off the podium
-- 2008 Europeans, she said that experts and coaches all said to her that she should have been 3rd; or the "!" mark on her 3Flip where she never had a problem with edge calls and recieved always +GOEs on her 3Flips and how odd it is to have a call the next day
-- how important it is who the tech specialist and controller, in terms of supporting a skater or putting him/her back
-- she mentioned Carolina Kostner as an example of how strong she is supported internationally because the head of the ISU is also an Italian, even if she makes mistakes
-- that if she had been a Russian, American or Italian, she could have finished significantly higher in certain competitions because these countries do get favored more internationally [than smaller, more obskure countries like Hungary], but as a Hungarian, she already got used to that and is proud of what she still achieved this way, so far.
- the new judging system
-- how she (and all the others) had to learn many new elements, because the NJS valued other elements higher as the old JS
-- how everything is focused on technique and high levels and how that leads to many mistakes in the programs, and how strong the contrast is to the old system where skaters used to play it safe and showed more clean programs
-- how the audience often does not understand the marks, as in the NJS, so many small elements make a whole lot of difference [I think she means counters, rockers, etc. as these small elements not always recognizeable for the viewers]
- that her favorite color is blue
- she shows the host her LP dress, and the host says that people would assume these tiny dresses are light, but in reality, they are quite heavy from all the glitter and rhinestones
- she talks about skating dresses overall; how flexible these dresses need to be to not rip apart while skating; about how easy it is to work with Tamas Naray, acclaimed Hungarian designer, and how Naray always knows what looks good on her
- previously, when a Russian company was doing her dresses, she was always positively surprised by her dresses, even if she had no chance to try them on before getting the final products; and how Nina Petrenko influenced her to pick that particular company and helped her
- that she always has such a short time for shight-seeing because the ladies' events are usually the last ones; about how many places she already visited thanks to her skating carrier; about skates getting lost nowadays and how frustrating it is every time to see if the skates arrive or not
- that she already skated in North-Korea on Kim Jong-Il's birthday shows, something very voidy (knowing the strict state of North-Korea), how they were all watched and guided everytime, how different it is from the Western countries; and that she is already invited to the next birthday skating gala (from which the host assumes that "wow, Kim Jong-Il must be alive then" PML!! )
- she elaborates on the physiologial differences of the Asian skaters from all the others (like, being shorter, different balance points, jumping more lighter); and about the differences in the support they get from their federations in terms of training possibilities
- she talks about her one-of-a-kind experience of training 10 years long at an open rink (she believes none of her competitors have this experience)
- she remembers all of her competitions, her programs, her mistakes in these programs, the cities she had been, ever since her first program was done
- that she started skating at the age of 3, when she was sent off from the kindergarden (as there were too many children to take care of, and the kindergarden officials suggested she should stay home with her mom who was having her younger brother at that time); and as she was lively girl she was sent to a "figure skating school", a course for small children who were taken to the rink every time - there, her talent was spotted, that she didn't when she was falling, etc.; like, that it was a coincidence that she started skating
- family is very supporting and important to her
- she is considered very humble by her coaches and the host , and she does come off kind of shy when she is asked about her private life (no gossips!)
- internationally, she was chosen to the most popular/known female athlete of Hungary, but the host says a national survey may not have the same result; that she is treated so well internationally by the media, especially in Japan where journalists and fans are so attentive; but in Hungary we have such a small coverage of skating events
- she would never skate for another country, she says.
- she loves Hungary and can't really imagine to live in a different country
- she wants to stay in the figure skating world after she finishes her competitive carrier, no idea how, as a coach or a judge, she says she has enough time to decide.
That is all.
Thank you for that awesome translation summary!
I had no idea she has a brother I also planned watching it tonight, but I had no idea it was so long
In 2003, a local news report in Malmo reported on several Ladies skaters who were out shopping and sight-seeing, and quote them as being happy that their competition was over first, which almost never happened
Great translation/summary, igniculus
I have followed Morgan and her efforts for release. She and her partner are now skating for the USA.
But before this the question of release from USFS was important.
Because of the rules posted she would not be release by the US until after the 2008-2009 season which is now.
So that would mean that Max would not be released until after this 2008-2009 season.
I believe that means he can not skate for another country until the 2009-2010 skating season meaning not this season.
About Morgan, sadly they can not qualify for the Olympics because it will be impossible for Lief to be a citizen by then it seems.
This matter of the USFS rule about release is possibly true because even though they have been signed up twice for international competitions they have not actually competed in any international competition.
WTF, Júlia Sebestyén might retire?!?!
A short interview surfaced today in acclaimed Hungarian tabloid called "The Blikk" about the issues that happened at the Europeans.
Former European champion figure skater, Júlia Sebestyén (25) is considering retirement. After the Europeans in Torino 2005, last year [in Zagreb] and this year [in Helsinki] she was underscored again, so she finished in 8th place. Sebestyen feels she isn't getting proper financial and sports diplomatic support from her own country/federation.
"I missed the podium for the 3rd time now due to the scoring. So far, I always remained silent, but after this, I cannot sit calmly and say nothing anymore. The technical panel worked against me and put me to [14th] place while the judges put me into 5th place" said the inconsolable skater, and she added that international specialist and federation leaders were also appalled by the decisions.
"It hurts and I'm very dissappointed by the whole thing. I even considered retirement. No matter how good I skate, nobody is supporting me. It's so typical that it was me who had to ask the Hungarian federation to ask for an investigation of my low points."
Her coach, Gurgen Vardanjan believes everything was planned beforehand.
"If the scoring had been correct, she could have been on the podium, but they wanted to give the medals to two of the Finnish ladies" Vardanjan said with a big sigh. "The most awful thing is that not just the federation, but the higher sports leaders don't care about us either."
[the source text is full of errors in terms of placement or city name of the championships, I corrected that for you]
ETA: another tabloid, basically with the same content:
She also said to have appeared on one of the national radio stations for an interview where she didn't say anything about the official retirement, but sounded very torn about going to the world championships.
:sigh: I wish Juli would just skate to her full potential... I have a feeling that once again, nothing good is going to come out of this public display of and
My wish for her is to have 2 clean and sharp programs at Worlds and to skate with inspiration through the Olympic season next year. After that she can retire on a high note, and then perhaps go to work as an...
...ISU TECH SPECIALIST
not to mention fwiw, Juli is 27
((igniculus)). Gosh what a week. Johnny's struggles and Julia's threat of retirement has to make you even sadder than I am. I hope that Julia stays in and does well at worlds. I also hope that nothing was really up with the Euros judging, because that would be terrible for all involved.
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