Herbal products for insomnia/holiday blues

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  1. Ice Queen

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    I'd like to know if anyone has had luck with these for their insomnia? If so, which ones do you recommend?

    I have been on a prescribed sleeping pill (Trazodone) also used for depression for 8 yrs. My insomnia began when I lost my Dad to colon cancer. He suffered a massive heart attack on New years eve, right before my eyes. Dad and I were extremely close and skated together for many years. The holidays season is a difficult one for me. Just the sights and sounds of Christmas make me sad. I took anti-depressants for a few yrs., but the side effects were too much. And trust me, I've tried them all.

    The trazodone still works, but is not as effective as it used to be. Add to that I am close to menopause, so my hormones are causing more insomnia. I've tried other sleeping pills, they helped with sleep, but I couldn't handle the side effects. I also know they shouldn't be used long term.

    I've used herbal products for other health issues, and have had success. So would like to get some suggestions from others who suffer with insomnia. Thank you in advance.
     
  2. my little pony

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    sometimes when I change time zones I use melatonin as a sleep aid
     
  3. Artemis@BC

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    I too use melatonin, and it's the most common "herbal" treatment for insomnia. Melatonin is naturally produced by your body as a pre-sleep hormone, so for many it works well with no side effects.

    However, even "herbal" or "natural" supplements can have side-effects and conflicts with other medications. You should see your doctor regardless if your current drug regime is not working for you, but especially if you're considering adding a new drug, no matter how benign it might seem. Internet recommendations are no substitute for a consultation with a qualified practitioner who knows your medical history.

    I'm very sorry for your troubles, and best of luck.
     
  4. Wyliefan

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    I take 5HTP (a form of tryptophan) for insomnia and low moods. But I have to stick to a low dosage -- 50 mg -- or else I have nightmares!
     
  5. Bonita

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    Valerian root works well for me, though there are warnings of liver damage and you have to be careful about what you mix it with.

    I can feel your pain, lost my mom to cancer, always had insomnia, now it's even worse. And the holidays don't help!
     
  6. Oreo

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    It's easy to get insomnia as one ages, and then if you add that to holidays, times of crisis, etc., it' hopeless to sleep. When I was helping to take care of someone close who was dying of cancer, I found it useful to exercise to the point of oblivion. Good part is you don't become emotionally dependent on a pill--herbal or not--and your body gets in shape. And if it's the holidays, go spend some time volunteering to keep your mind off stuff.
     
  7. skatemommy

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    There are some OTC products available in the pharmacy department; can't think of the names off hand. The natural ones are next to the pharma sleeping aids.
     
  8. Veronika

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    I've been using melatonin for over a year now, and it's really helped me with the quality of my sleep. It also helps me feel more drowsy if I have to get to bed early.
     
  9. Gazpacho

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    Melatonin works for many people, though it personally has no effect on me. What other sleep medications have you tried?

    I hope you feel better and are able to sleep better.
     
  10. joeperryfan

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    Several minerals are also important for the quality of your sleep. Taken from this site Acu-cell, I like to use it as reference and I've found that it has helped me understand what to correct in my diet to achieve a better quality of sleep, lower anxiety, etc...

    Magnesium worked for me because I needed it, at some point it was no longer magnesium but calcium, it varies from person to person so no answer fits all, if you are afraid of interactions look for a good practitioner.

    Good luck.
     
  11. Cyn

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    (((Ice Queen))) I'm sorry to hear about your insomnia problems. They're a pain to deal with any time of year, but it can be especially difficult when specific events or certain times of the year can exacerbate it.

    I definitely understand what you're going through. The December holiday season is always a difficult time for me as well. My father and I were extremely close, and in May of 1998, he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Although he fought it with as much medical treatment as possible, we knew his situation was terminal. He started going downhill in December of that year (he died in January '99), and as his health deteriorated, my depression worsened. In addition to the anti-depressant my doctor prescribed (which did nothing to help with the insomnia), he put me on Trazodone as a sleep aid.

    I wound up taking Trazodone for 6 years as it helped my Fibromyalgia. Over the years, though, we had to up the dose from time to time as it lost its effectiveness (like you're experiencing). It finally quit working altogether as a sleep aid, and my doctor switched me to a prescription sleep aid that I take when my insomnia is bad.

    I'm almost into my mid-forties and am also starting to experience the effects of peri-menopause, which has made my insomnia more frequent (along with some of the oh-so-lovely other side effects like night sweats and hot flashes). Since I don't take the Rx sleep medication every night, my physician recommended adding melatonin as a daily (nightly) supplement. He said that as the body ages, it produces less melatonin, so adding one tablet nightly to my daily vitamin regimen should help maintain optimal melatonin levels in my body. I was expecting it to start working immediately, but I found out that it takes about two to three weeks for it to reach optimum effects.

    A lot of people I know use Valerian extract (drops) or capsules, and they swear by them, but when I tried it, it didn't seem to work at all. The main thing I did notice (actually there was no way not to notice it), valerian absolutely reeks - something akin to nasty, smelly feet :scream: .

    I've never tried taking a Tryptophan supplement, so I have no idea if it works or not. My only real experience with it has been Thanksgiving, since cooked turkey is loaded with it :lol: . IIRC, milk has tryptophan in it, but it doesn't "activate" unless the milk is heated, which I find :yikes: unless it's in hot chocolate.

    Most of the OTC sleep aids contain diphenhydramine, which is an antihistamine and is the "sleep aid" found in Tylenol/Advil PM, Nytol, Unisom, Sominex, etc. One might as well just take a couple of Benadryl as opposed to those OTC sleep aids as they're essentially the same thing. It works well for most people, but it has a drying effect on mucous membranes. Whenever I've taken it, I would always wake up about 5 hours later unable to breathe out of my nose and a dry throat from breathing through my mouth. Also, they tend to disrupt the deep, restorative sleep that one needs to wake feeling refreshed. I found out (as well as others I know who have taken them), that if you take them every night for a while, when you stop taking them, it can cause nightmares the first few nights without it.

    Do you drink caffeinated beverages on a regular basis? I'm stating the obvious here, but the effects of caffeine can stay in the body for long periods of time, depending on one's metabolism. I'm extremely sensitive to caffeine (one Coca-cola or any soft drink with caffeine wires me to the hilt), and if I have any past 10 in the morning, it can affect my sleep schedule. I finally eliminated caffeine from my diet altogether, and while I do still have bouts of insomnia, they became less severe and frequent once I cut caffeine out of my diet.

    Good luck - I'm sending you peaceful, healing vibes and hoping you can get some healthy, restorative sleep.
     
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  12. mmscfdcsu

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    The only one that has ever worked for me is this one.


    http://www.midnitesleep.com/



    I make sure that I have at least a 2 month supply on hand. I would hate to run out.
     
  13. Twilight1

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    Camomile and Valerian are the only 2 that come to mind for me. I would talk to the doc about it though. My dad swears by St John's Wart but I don't know much about that...
     
  14. Bonita

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    As noted above, I totally quit caffeine to try and help - not that I was a "user," but I did used to do two K-cups per day of the high test. I actually quit because of stomach problems, not insomnia, but it's all tied in. I also think if you're Type A that this is going to be a lifelong probem. Calming down is very difficult for us Type A's.
     
  15. Japanfan

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    I take 600 mgs of 5HTP at present, the maximum daily dose. I'm a chronic insomniac and have always had a high tolerance for any drug, natural or pharmaceutical. The 5 HTP doesn't put knock me out but I find it much easier to cope with not getting a whole lot of sleep. The dreams are indeed vivid, though.

    And Ice Queen, you might ask your doctor for Immovane/Zopoclone. It is a sleeping pill that mimics a benzodiazapene but is not a benzodiazapene (i.e. Valium). Not a long term solution, but can help if you have some really rough nights.
     
  16. Marge_Simpson

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    I've had terrible insomnia for years, I popped tylenol PM almost every night in order to sleep.
    Recently I needed to replace my mattress as the springs were beginning to poke me, and I ended up getting a Serta pillow-top. It is so comfortable and I haven't needed to take anything to get to sleep since I got it. Maybe my sleep issues were because I had the wrong kind of mattress? It might be worth thinking about replacing your mattress.
     
  17. Ice Queen

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    Thank you to all of you, for your kind words and advice. I forgot to mention, that I saw my dr about the insomnia last week. I was also experiencing severe anxiety. Instead of prescribing a sleeping pill, he gave me Atavan. He thought it would relieve my anxiety, and help me sleep. Well, it took away the anxiety but made me feel all loopy. And that was after taking a very small dose. It made me extremely depressed as well. I told the dr that I've used Xanax before. It helps my anxiety and calms me so I sleep really well. But, he refused to prescribe it since it is an addictive drug.

    I also forgot to mention that I've had thyroid disease for years. I have both hyper and hypo thyroidism. I am on meds to control it, and have blood tests every 6 months.

    Gazpacho, years back I tried Ambien. My boyfriend came in the room, and I asked him who he was. Then I began hallucinating....scary stuff. The drug made me sleep like a rock though.:)

    Cyn, I am so sorry for the loss of your Dad. Thank you for all of your advice and support. I never have anything with caffeine. When you have thyroid disease, it's recommended you eliminate it from your diet.

    Marge Simpson, thank you for your advice. I did purchase a new mattress last year. It's a "Restonic" brand and the most comfortable mattress I've ever owned.
     
  18. Gazpacho

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    Have you tried Klonopin? I've found that to be the most helpful. It sounds like you're very sensitive to many sleep medications, so a very low dose is probably the best place to start.

    Sonata and Lunesta are good when you wake up in the middle of the night and have less than four hours before you need to get up, but in my experience they're hit-and-miss. Some nights they work, some nights they do nothing.

    I :rolleyes: at your doctor's refusal to prescribe Xanax. As my doctor said, it's much safer for him to prescribe 30 pills of the lowest dose than to make the patient suffer and/or turn to alcohol to do the trick. Do you have a history of addiction? If not, I recommend asking him for a 30 day supply of the lowest dose. If he still refuses, I hope you can find another doctor.
     
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  19. LilJen

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    Weird that he wouldn't prescribe Xanax but would prescribe Ativan (also highly addictive).

    I'm so sorry for your problems. I've found exercise helpful, too, but I'm starting to experience the (apparently inevitable) insomnia of perimenopause, and it's incredibly aggravating! dh has has good success with Lunesta for sleep and Lexapro for anxiety/depression.
     
  20. BigB08822

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    I wish you the best of luck! I have noticed that every year around this time my anxiety really begins to spike up. I don't know exactly why, maybe it is a combination of all the holiday plans and traveling that really weigh on my mind. Maybe it is a combination of anxiety and depression (which is common in the winter months). I just can't wait for spring!
     
  21. Christina

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    I've used Melatonin in the past, the smallest dose will knock me out for a while. My mother swears by a taking a three supplement combination of calcium, magnesium and vitamin C when she can't sleep. I know the calcium and vitamin C shouldn't be taken together, but she swears by it......
     
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  22. Wyliefan

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    They shouldn't? I've been taking them together for years. (Not together in the same pill, I don't mean, but at the same time.)
     
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    i just read your post about the Dr. refusing to prescribe Xanax. I have had the same issues. Doctors keeps refusing to prescribe Xanax or a similar medication for my anxiety. I was honest with the Dr. and told him that I occasionally take them because a friend has a prescription and gives me a few here and there. They work wonders for me. I usually take only half a pill, maybe a full one if I am really feeling high anxiety. Even then this is only 2-3 times a month. I still can't get the prescription. I've tried many other "safer" options and all have side effects I can't deal with for long enough for the medicine to work. I self medicate with a drink in the evening if I need to but I worry where that could lead in the future. Maybe when I am a bit older some Dr. wont treat me like a kid, I don't look my age as it is. Best of luck to you. Try another Dr. but my experience is they all hate prescribing Xanax or similar drugs. I'm not sure how people ever get the prescriptions to start off with.