Has any skater ever performed.... [insert move, skill, etc]

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by altai_rose, Jun 20, 2010.

  1. altai_rose

    altai_rose Well-Known Member

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    Similar to many of you here on this board, I sometimes design and think about skating programs in my head. :) Do you all ever imagine moves that you haven't seen before that you hope skaters will perform?

    I love leaps in figure skating such as Michelle Kwan's falling leaf, as well as leaps in gymnastics, ballet, and rhythmic gymnastics. I was wondering whether there were any figure skaters who've done variations of falling splits such as something that looks like: http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Nastia-leap.jpg, http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media//2008/05/anna-bessonova2.jpg, or a tour jete on ice. Anyone?
     
  2. BoobLess

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    The only one I can think of that has come close to those split jumps you posted would be Sasha Cohen in her redone 2004 long program (at the 1:45 mark):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2s-lm0mhbM

    She achieves the stag over-split position without throwing the head back.
     
  3. altai_rose

    altai_rose Well-Known Member

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    If by tour jete you mean this, I don't think anyone has done it.
     
  5. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    The Pamchenko, of course. ;)
     
  6. Lanie

    Lanie Well-Known Member

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    It looks more like she couldn't straighten the other leg rather than trying for the stag over-split position.
     
  7. mmscfdcsu

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  8. Lanna

    Lanna Well-Known Member

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    Did Rory Flack do any? She's the one who comes to mind when I think of huge positional jumps.
     
  9. pinky166

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    A double axel-triple LOOP (2a-3lo) combination. Anna Ovcharova of Russia apparently does that combination, but there's no videos of her doing it yet. I don't think I can remember anyone doing that combination, anyone know if I'm wrong? Maybe Miki did it a long time ago?
     
  10. Fallcolor

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    Didn't Midori Ito do that combo in the late 80's?
     
  11. bardtoob

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    Midori did the 2A-3S combo, now called sequence.
     
  12. Spinner

    Spinner Where's my book?

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    I loved Midori's LBO rocker into a double Axel. Looked like a Lutz, but surprise--Axel!
     
  13. MikiAndoFan#1

    MikiAndoFan#1 Well-Known Member

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    Miki does it in practice.
     
  14. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Any videos? I really want to see this combination attempted, I imagine it would look cool. I hope Anna does it in her programs next year, that would be neat.

    And as for Midori 2a-3s sequence, I'm not talking about a sequence like 2a and then steps or 3 turns into a 3lo, I mean a for real combination.
     
  15. MR-FAN

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    Joey Russell did it at the 2009 nationals LP:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeR3qBjG93M at around 3:30 (and p.s. that's one amazing program!)
     
  16. MikiAndoFan#1

    MikiAndoFan#1 Well-Known Member

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    I can't find the video where I saw Miki land it.

    :drama:

    Sorry!
     
  17. Tony Wheeler

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    Alexander Abt did a TRIPLE Axel/triple loop in the short program(?) I believe at a Grand Prix event in 98/99, but I vaguely remember seeing the clip and thinking it wasn't a clean combination. I might be wrong though. Also, Jayson Denommee from Canada landed one during a Nationals short program (again IIRC). Never saw that clip so I don't know how good of an attempt it was.

    ETA: For Abt, it was the 1998 Nations Cup long program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqxQ6lzb-4I It looked pretty clean to me, actually!
     
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  18. RFOS

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    I don't think anyone else has ever performed ANYTHING in this program that was posted on another thread not long ago. Really interesting. :)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iJLlBn8-pE

    I used to wonder whether a "one person death spiral," with the person leaning on the ice with one arm, was possible until I saw Victor Kraatz do something like that in the exhibition practice at 2003 Worlds.

    A hydroblade that curled on a really deep curve and eventually came into such a tight circle that the skater ended up doing a back sit spin would be really cool.

    The spin entry at 2:15 in this program is pretty cool:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwFNlv_nNp0

    Another thing that would be amazing is a huge throw flying sit spin done by a pair team.
     
  19. MR-FAN

    MR-FAN Kostner Softie

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  20. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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  22. Fallcolor

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    i loved the counter turn she did too in her SP's, all on one foot, into the axel! It was extremely unique and difficult for her time, and unfortunately i think she stopped doing it in the 90's? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TgQaLmVm9I
     
  23. LilJen

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    Matt Savoie used to do this (a counter, actually, as someone else posted upthread) into a TRIPLE axel. Crazy.
     
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    http://www.sashafans.com/media/screencaptures/2004worlds/fs03.jpg
    But I agree with Lanie-looks like Sasha couldn't straighten out the free leg more so than she's doing what the gymnasts can do.

    I always wanted to see a single skater attempt a charlotte spin. I remember a Chinese Pair (name is escaping me) doing it.
     
  25. Fallcolor

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    how could i forget?? the one that stuck in my mind is M/D's beautiful, assisted cantilever in their LP! Also, Natalia's back/inside d.sprial while in a catch-foot position. soo unique and balletic. :inavoid:
     
  26. Spinner

    Spinner Where's my book?

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    When Matt was much younger (I used to train with him then...), he could do a very rare jump combination--single Lutz clockwise (his opposite direction), double Lutz counterclockwise. He didn't do it often, but it was pretty cool to watch. We all envied how quickly he picked up skills. So glad it got him as far as it did.
     
  27. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    Oooohh, is there any video ?
    The oldest I found is his 2002 Worlds LP, a beautiful, very beautiful program. :swoon:
    He is fabulous !
     
  28. Polymer Bob

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    Usually in a combination, the 2nd and 3rd jump must be a loop or toe loop. I think it was Sylvia who explained to me that if a skater can spin in both directions, he/she can do a jump in one direction ( say counter-clockwise ), then do a lutz clockwise as the 2nd jump of a combination.

    As far as I know, it's never been done.
     
  29. Spinner

    Spinner Where's my book?

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    Sadly no, he did this in his early teens.
     
  30. Spinner

    Spinner Where's my book?

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    If you're adept enough to land on a back left inside edge (for CCW rotating skaters), you can do a Salchow as well--as in the one-foot Axel/3 Salchow Jill Trenary is famous for. And FWIW, I think such combinations should be worth BIG points despite the Axel only being a single...they're friggin HARD to do! We'll never see one nowadays since it'd be wasting a combination on a low-scoring element.