Happy Hanukkah! :)

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  1. Eden

    Eden Well-Known Member

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    The first night of Hanukkah begins this evening.
    It lasts for eight nights, just like the miracle of the oil that happened there (in Israel we say here).

    Happy Festival of Lights to all who celebrate! :)
  2. attyfan

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    Gut Yontiff to all! Cute video, BTW
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  3. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Happy Hanukkah! Going to make latkes tomorrow from both sweet and regular potatoes.
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    Happy Hanukkah to those who celebrate! :cheer2:
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    Chag Sameach, gut yontiff, Happy Chanukah to all who celebrate! :D

    Todah rabah, Eden, for the video!
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    Happy Hanukkah!
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    Happy Hanukkah!
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    Happy Hanukkah!
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    Happy Hanukkah! I hope everyone will have some delicious latkes during the holiday. ;)
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  11. PRlady

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    Happy Hanukah!

    In memory of my beloved Christopher Hitchens, one of his most hilarious posts ever is below. I agree with him intellectually and think his argument is great -- who would I, as a liberal be supporting? -- but will happily eat latkes and light candles anyway.


    Bah, Hanukkah


    The holiday celebrates the triumph of tribal Jewish backwardness.

    By Christopher Hitchens|Posted Monday, Dec. 3, 2007, at 11:57 AM ET

    High on the list of idiotic commonplace expressions is the old maxim that "it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." How do such fatuous pieces of folk wisdom ever get started on their careers of glib quotation? Of course it would be preferable to light a candle than to complain about the darkness. You would only be bitching about the darkness if you didn't have * a candle to begin with. Talk about a false antithesis. But at this time of year, any holy foolishness is permitted. And so we have a semiofficial celebration of Hanukkah, complete with menorah, to celebrate not the ignition of a light but the imposition of theocratic darkness.


    Jewish orthodoxy possesses the interesting feature of naming and combating the idea of the apikoros or "Epicurean"—the intellectual renegade who prefers Athens to Jerusalem and the schools of philosophy to the grim old routines of the Torah. About a century and a half before the alleged birth of the supposed Jesus of Nazareth (another event that receives semiofficial recognition at this time of the year), the Greek or Epicurean style had begun to gain immense ground among the Jews of Syria and Palestine. The Seleucid Empire, an inheritance of Alexander the Great—Alexander still being a popular name among Jews—had weaned many people away from the sacrifices, the circumcisions, the belief in a special relationship with God, and the other reactionary manifestations of an ancient and cruel faith. I quote Rabbi Michael Lerner, an allegedly liberal spokesman for Judaism who nonetheless knows what he hates:



    Along with Greek science and military prowess came a whole culture that celebrated beauty both in art and in the human body, presented the world with the triumph of rational thought in the works of Plato and Aristotle, and rejoiced in the complexities of life presented in the theater of Aeschylus, Euripides and Aristophanes.



    But away with all that, says Lerner. Let us instead celebrate the Maccabean peasants who wanted to destroy Hellenism and restore what he actually calls "oldtime religion." His excuse for preferring fundamentalist thuggery to secularism and philosophy is that Hellenism was "imperialistic," but the Hasmonean regime that resulted from the Maccabean revolt soon became exorbitantly corrupt, vicious, and divided, and encouraged the Roman annexation of Judea. Had it not been for this no-less imperial event, we would never have had to hear of Jesus of Nazareth or his sect—which was a plagiarism from fundamentalist Judaism—and the Jewish people would never have been accused of being deicidal "Christ killers." Thus, to celebrate Hanukkah is to celebrate not just the triumph of tribal Jewish backwardness but also the accidental birth of Judaism's bastard child in the shape of Christianity. You might think that masochism could do no more. Except that it always can. Without the precedents of Orthodox Judaism and Roman Christianity, on which it is based and from which it is borrowed, there would be no Islam, either. Every Jew who honors the Hanukkah holiday because it gives his child an excuse to mingle the dreidel with the Christmas tree and the sleigh (neither of these absurd symbols having the least thing to do with Palestine two millenniums past) is celebrating the making of a series of rods for his own back. And this is not just a disaster for the Jews. When the fanatics of Palestine won that victory, and when Judaism repudiated Athens for Jerusalem, the development of the whole of humanity was terribly retarded.



    And, of course and as ever, one stands aghast at the pathetic scale of the supposed "miracle." As a consequence of the successful Maccabean revolt against Hellenism, so it is said, a puddle of olive oil that should have lasted only for one day managed to burn for eight days. Wow! Certain proof, not just of an Almighty, but of an Almighty with a special fondness for fundamentalists. Epicurus and Democritus had brilliantly discovered that the world was made up of atoms, but who cares about a mere fact like that when there is miraculous oil to be goggled at by credulous peasants?



    We are about to have the annual culture war about the display of cribs, mangers, conifers, and other symbols on public land. Most of this argument is phony and tawdry and secondhand and has nothing whatever to do with "faith" as its protagonists understand it. The burning of a Yule log or the display of a Scandinavian tree is nothing more than paganism and the observance of a winter solstice; it makes no more acknowledgment of the Christian religion than I do. The fierce partisanship of the holly bush and mistletoe believers convicts them of nothing more than ignorance and simple-mindedness. They would have been just as pious under the reign of the Druids or the Vikings, and just as much attached to their bucolic icons. Everybody knows, furthermore, that there was no moving star in the east, that Quirinius was not the governor of Syria in the time of King Herod, that no worldwide tax census was conducted in that period of the rule of Augustus, and that no "stable" is mentioned even in any of the mutually contradictory books of the New Testament. So, to put a star on top of a pine tree or to arrange various farm animals around a crib is to be as accurate and inventive as that Japanese department store that, as urban legend has it, did its best to emulate the Christmas spirit by displaying a red-and-white bearded Santa snugly nailed to a crucifix.



    This is childish stuff and if only for that reason should obviously not receive any public endorsement or financing. The display of the menorah at this season, however, has a precise meaning and is an explicit celebration of the original victory of bloody-minded faith over enlightenment and reason. As such it is a direct negation of the First Amendment and it is time for the secularists and the civil libertarians to find the courage to say so.
  12. Fergus

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    Wishing a happy and festive celebration to everyone! :cheer2:
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    Happy Hanukkah. :)
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    Happy Hanukkah!
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    Happy Hanukkah! :)
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    Happy Hanukkah! (And to my shame, I don't think I've ever had latkes. But they sound tasty!)
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    !חג חנוכה שמח
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  22. Zemgirl

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    And easy to make, too - do give it a shot!
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    ^ You must taste them, at least once! :D

    Todah rabah (thank you very much) for the e-card and all the video links! :)
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    How do you keep your grated potatoes from turning that unpleasant shade of gray? I've tried a few different things and I always end up with gray potatoes. What is the secret?

    Happy Hanukkah to all.
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    Happy Hanukkah :)
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  26. IceAlisa

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    I grate (well, more like puree) the onions first and mix that with the grated potatoes as I go. No gray.
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    Onions first; that's interesting. I'll give that a try later this week. Thanks.
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    Happy Hannukah to all of you who celebrate!
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    Happy Hanukkah to all who celebrate the day!
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    Happy Hanukkah to everyone!! :cheer2:

    (better a few days late than never; true to our family's form, I operate on Jewish Time :eek: :shuffle: )
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    HAPPY HANUKKAH!
  34. Holley Calmes

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    Happy Hanukkah to all my Jewish friends! I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and my best friend, Carol, always invited me over for the candle lighting and gift opening...at least a few nights each year. In high school, my best girlfriend was Jewish and I attended Temple with her for various significant occasions. There are few things more hauntingly beautiful to me than the cantor's voice. I hope I'm saying that right-it's been a long time ago.

    Now, another one of my Jewish friends on Facebook just put up a contest saying that the first person to post all the specific names of all 8 Hanukkah candles wins a prize. They don't have names! Is this some kind of joke?
  35. Reuven

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    No, they don’t have names. There is one candle that is used to light the others that’s called the shamash (servant). About the only thing that they may possible be called is by their ordinal, that is, the first candle is ראשון, rishon, second one is שני, sheini, and so on.
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    Yeah, this guy is a real jokester, so I figured it wasn't for real....but I thought I'd consult the professionals!