Han Yan Uber Thread - Road to Sochi and Beyond

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  1. immoimeme

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    Well they better send him to Sochi. I've only watched two videos of him but it's clear to me how talented he is and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with the gold medal. I get the feeling this season is *his* season.
  2. immoimeme

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    Okay now I've watched 3 videos. And I all the top men better watch them too because guys-here's who you need to beat this season. Not joking. Han Yan is skating's best-kept secret.
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  4. jlai

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    I think all Yan needs all along is to beat Nan Song by a considerable margin (instead of just a little bit in one or two competitions). Now that he's done it, his chance to Sochi is pretty good.
  5. VarBar

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    Congrats to Han Yan on winning his first Senior GP, great kid. What would Yan have to do to make the Chinese team for the Olympics, win Nationals? Does the 1st place finisher at the National Championships automatically go to Worlds and Olympics in the Chinese selection system?
  6. Jammers

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    Not sure why China wouldn't send this kid to Sochi. Nan Song isn't competitive against the top skaters and Han can only get better.
  7. Marco

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    I believe their selection this time round will be based on a mixture of national (30%) and international (70%) results.

    First the Jr World title, then a 4CC medal, and now a senior GP title. He is hard to deny. So is that 50 point margin over Song Nan.
  8. Sylvia

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    On his Chinese Twitter (weibo), he said he was glad that the judges were so appreciative of his skating and this gave him much more confidence. He said he believe he could further improve and that this was only the beginning.

    Even Johnny Weir cheered for him after the short. (who knew he had Chinese Twitter?!)
  10. shine

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    What a senior debut. In the grandest of ways. Much room for improvement in terms of presentation, but Han Yan is clearly born to be a skater :respec:
  11. Proustable

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    While there's no denying it was a strong performance, he was at last season at Four Continents, winning bronze.
  12. shine

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    Yes, but this is his first full senior season and I feel that the GP was more of an official introduction to the senior ranks. :)
  13. Proustable

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    Fair enough. I sorta agree with you, though just as much in reverse - if someone skates the senior GP but isn't old enough to go to Worlds (see the Russian ladies), I don't consider them fully senior yet.

    Anyway, Yan was awesome and I do hope he goes to the Olympics and Worlds and earns a second spot for China. The 2015-2018 quad is going to be immense.
  14. Ziggy

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    Someone please get him a performance skills coach. Because pretty much everything else is there.

    (Well the SP choreography is kind crap and the FS choreography lacks variety but well it's Nichol so what can you expect)
  15. VarBar

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    Nan Song usually was stronger than Han Yan at Nationals and other domestic competitions if memory serves but IMO it would be a mistake on the part of the Federation if they kept pushing Nan over Yan. I don't mean to be disrespectful to Song but I just feel that the judges simply don't like his skating. Last year he turned to Jeffrey Buttle for choreography and while Jeffrey is an excellent CoP choreographer, Song didn't score any higher on PCS (TR and CH included) than when his programs were all about jumps. By contrast, the judges seem to appreciate Yan's qualities, and for good reason, I think.:)
  16. Marco

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    Well Song Nan was beating Yan Han by a few points at the last national event, which is irrelevant now that Yan Han is beating Song Nan by 50 points internationally.

    The interesting thing is that Song Nan tends to be much more consistent when skating domestically (thus justifying his wins there) but Yan Han absolutely outshines him internationally. In any event, the national judges are not (yet) giving Yan Han the PCS advantage over Song Nan the way the international judges are. Perhaps they will, after this huge win (and second consecutive head-to-head win over Nan Song after 2013 4CCs).

    From a previous document, it seems like the qualifying score for each skater for Sochi will be determined as 30% of the best national score and 70% of the best international score for this season. The only way Song Nan can make up ground now is to try and beat Yan Han as much as possible nationally and also match Yan Han's international score. Song Nan's personal best total score is 228.46, and Yan Han scored 245.62 at COC, so barring some major disaster for Yan Han or some miracle for Song Nan, I think the men's spot is set.

    ETA: this is the article on qualification criteria http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-08-09/09366713776.shtml
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  17. immoimeme

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    So part of moving is (gasp!) throwing away fs stuff and I came across an article that moved me to suggest here another reason to send this talented young man to Sochi: if he wins he'll be the third man to win in his Olympic debut.
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    Looking forward to Yan skating against Patrick Chan for the first time (not counting WTT) at Trophee Bompard. It would be a good experience for him.
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  19. iceflame

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    A great interview of Yan right before GPF (copy from twitter). He's really a smart boy.

    Q: Have you ever thought about making it to the GPF in your debut on the senior Grand Prix circuit?
    A: I didn’t. This is my first season on the senior circuit. Before Cup of China, I was not sure how the competition would go and whether the judges would buy my programs. So I didn’t think about the GPF at all. Winning at the Cup of China kept the door open and I started contemplating the possibility of qualifying for the GPF.

    Q: The competition at TEB was fierce, and you ended up at the 4th place. It was not your best performance, given that you had a fever. What do you think?
    A: Well, I did meet the goal I set for TEB, finishing in the top 4 so that I would qualify for the GPF. Of course I hoped to make it on the podium, but I didn’t accomplish that. I don’ think it could all be attributed to the fever. I mean I lost some stamina but had I had a very good stamina to begin with, I could have performed better. But I am happy that I can go to the GPF.

    Q: At TEB, you competed with a couple exceptional skaters, including your idol Patrick Chan. What was in your mind about competing with him during the same competition?
    A: Chan has always been my idol and I learned a lot from him. He put on an exceptional performance there. To me, he has changed a lot, not necessarily the progress he has made on the technical side, but the manner he has while on ice. When he first won Worlds a couple years ago, he looked like a young skater, but now his dominance has fully come out.

    Q: Russia’s Kovtun and you both made it to the Final in your debut on the senior Grand Prix circuit. What do you think is the difference between you and skaters such as Patrick Chan and Daisuke Takahashi?
    A: I think it’s mostly about the experiences. In terms of the technical side, we all can do quads, and of course it depends on the day if we can successfully execute the jumps. But experience is the most valuable. To me, Takahashi stands out from the rest. Once he steps on the ice, he is fully expressing himself. He is not only a skater, but a dancer! My goal at this moment is to complete all the planned elements. In terms of music interpretation and expression, I am not quite there yet. And that’s the area I need to learn and improve.

    Q: What is your goal at the Final?
    A: In terms of placement, I didn’t set a goal for myself. It’s totally fine if I end up last place. I could lose to any of the skaters, but I hope that I won’t be too behind in terms of the scores – a couple of points, or ten points or so are fine. I will try my best so that I won’t be behind by 20-30 points. That’s right, you can write that my goal is to finish in the top 6 at the Final.

    Q: We heard that you could do two kinds of quads in training since 2011. But you haven’t used that in competition. Why so?
    A: There is a difference between doing a jump in practice and successfully executing it in competition. During the Grand Prix, my goal was to be consistent since the results would determine who gets to go to Sochi. And I think that it would be enough if I could put up with with my current technical difficulty. In terms of future competitions, if I get to go to the ones I have been looking forward to, such as the Winter Olympics or the Worlds, I hope to step up in terms of technical difficulty. As of right now, my focus is on putting on more complete and consistent performances.

    Q: People say that you are the representative of a new generation of Chinese male skaters, not only because of your young age, but also of your solid skating skills, which set you apart from the older generation. What do you think?
    A: Talking about my skating skills, I really need to thank my coach for that. Ever since I was little, she put so much emphasis on skating skills and spins. When I was young, I was good at spins, but not very good at jumps. But my coach was very patient, trying to help me build a good foundation, instead of rushing to all the jumps. I used to not understand my coach’s approach because we spent a lot of time practicing skating skills and spins, while skaters under other coaches learned the jumps very quickly. Now thinking back, the approach my coach took was absolutely the right one.

    Q: You worked with Lori Nichol for your two programs this year and while you were there, you also received some lessons and training. What’s your opinion on training aboard?
    A: Where you train is not the most important. If I get to decide who gets to go aboard and study, I would say send our coaches. Only when coaches get to go and learn something new, can they come back and share the knowledge with the skaters. If a skater gets to train aboard, he or she is the only one getting the benefits. And not every skater is suitable/ready for training abroad.
  20. Sylvia

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    Thanks! :) The source ( @HanYanFanVan ) link is: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rsmv22

    Is there a link to the original interview in Chinese? ETA - the interview is contained within this article: http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-12-02/12426914067.shtml

    :lol:
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  21. LilJen

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  22. iceflame

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    Sylvia, thank you for posing the Chinese artilce :)

    You definitely should be honored as the driver :lol:
    Anyway, I think this account is truly cool!
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    Great interview! We will be seeing this kid for a long while to come. He has good skating skills and all the jumps. Go Han Yan. Top six in GPF? Easy peasy!:)
  25. Vash01

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    I really like Han Yan (I am still confused about what's his first name). I see him as someone to watch in 2018.
  26. aftershocks

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    Indeed, it's the approach other coaches should consider taking.

    I thought Yan is his first name, but it's generally written last per Chinese traditional practice.

    Just being in GPF is a huge achievement for a first-year senior. If Han places 6th, he'd probably be thrilled if that same placement transfers to Olympics and Worlds. :) IMO, Han, Kovtun and Hanyu (regardless of quads) still have a lot of room to improve 're maturity, experience, and artistic expression.
  27. Sylvia

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    Thanks Sylvia. The confusion is because I don't recall any commentators making it clear that the Western way of presenting names was being exclusively used for all Asian skaters. Back when Lulu competed her names were often used interchangeably from event to event.
  29. Gliding on ice

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  30. immoimeme

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    Great find!! Nice encapsulation of his career to date and interesting tidbits in the interview. Thanks!:)
  31. spikydurian

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    Thank you gliding. Han Yan should be proud of himself. Incredible that a 17yo be representing his country in Olympics. This experience to skate among the best in a high pressure environment will benefit him post Sochi. His jumps are great and he has speed and ice coverage. All he need is to build his PCs. Looking forward to seeing him winning more medals. Go Han Yan and all the best in Sochi.
  32. misskarne

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    Isn't he 18 now? I thought he was only a year younger than Joshua and Jason and they're 19.
  33. justAfsfan

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    He is really smart! Impressive!
  34. immoimeme

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    I hope you all caught Han Yan team event sp somewhere on the net since nbc primetime chacked it. It was really really WOW and biiiigggg improvement since we last saw it! This young man is talented with a bright future and it was shameful for nbc to ignore his v gd Olympic debut. But don't worry-he'll be back soon!:)
  35. tchaikovsky_177

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    Sad I missed it, but from the score it must have been a pretty impressive skate, especially considering his age! :cool:
  36. Vash01

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    I am really looking forward to Han Yan's development in the next quad.
  37. Gliding on ice

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    Han is the third to skate in the last group for men's SP. Wishing him the best of luck.
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  39. Gliding on ice

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    Textbook triple Axel from Han in the SP. Time to replicate it in the LP, please ;)
  40. tchaikovsky_177

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    A few bobbles in the LP, but still a wonderful Olympic debut here. :)