Han Yan Uber Thread - Road to Sochi and Beyond

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Gliding on ice, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. Gliding on ice

    Gliding on ice New Member

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    This thread is for Han Yan (first name: Han, last name: Yan) from China.

    Yan made his senior international debut at the 2013 Four Continents Championships in Osaka, Japan, where he took the bronze medal with a personal best score of 235.22 (SP: 85.08, LP: 150.14).

    Yan’s SP performance at 2013 4CC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5_PmrOdIaY

    Yan started skating at the age of 5. He used to train in Harbin, but has moved to train in Beijing starting this year. He won the gold medal at the 2012 World Junior Championships, becoming the first Chinese to win the men’s junior world title.

    Yan’s favorite skaters:
    - Patrick Chan
    - Tomas Verner


    Some links:

    Han Yan’s Wiki
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_Han_(figure_skater)

    Han Yan’s Chinese Wiki
    http://baike.baidu.com/view/3573950.htm

    Han Yan’s Weibo (Chinese version of Twitter)
    http://weibo.com/u/1991083414


    Yan is only 16! And he already has a great foundation (i.e. incredible speed, amazing ice coverage, great flow, effortless jumps, good presentation, musicality, etc) which he will only continue to build on as he gets more experience from the senior circuit. With polishing and better choreographed programs, there is no doubt that Han Yan is the future for China.
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  2. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Not an uber, but I do enjoy his skating. I hope he does really well on the Senior circuit.
  3. robinhood

    robinhood Active Member

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    I think he has almost Patrick Chan gliding qualities, and this coming from a chinese skater is very unusual.
    If injuries respect him I see him as a future world champion. He needs world class choreography, I hope he's taken to a great choreographer next season
    All the best to Han!
  4. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Yay über thread for Yan! Lets hope his success at 4CCs (including beating Song) will affect the pecking order within China and can allow him to find better choreographers. He skates great but almost ignores the music and the expressive aspect of it - a good choreographer could take him very far IMO.
  5. skatingfanfun

    skatingfanfun New Member

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    He needs expressions most IMO .
  6. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

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    He is 16. Not an uber, but I love him, he has talent, and very good jumping ability.
  7. skatingfanfun

    skatingfanfun New Member

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    not a fan but I love everything about his skating except for his steelish face, if that's a word. I think that could be a loss of 5 point in PCS:) serriously I think he was lowballed inPCS at 4cc
  8. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Han's 3a is the longest most amazing jump I have ever seen :eek: wow. He is so talented. With a good choreographer, he could be a force to be reckoned with very soon indeed.
  9. robinhood

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    He's very handsome too. Can I say that about a 15 year old boy?
  10. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Han is turning 17 in a couple weeks, so makes it a little more acceptable than if he was actually 15.
  11. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

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    While not an uber myself (yet), I have to say that Han Yan is an amazing young talent. Tremendous speed, effortless quality of skating and incredible ease on the jumps. I can easily see him becoming a name to remember in figure skating when he matures artistically and skates at least decently choreographed programs. Wish him the very best of luck.:kickass:
  12. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I wonder what the politiks is like as regards using international choreographers, with reference to the Chinese Fed? Do they like it? Hate it? Will they hurt him (placements, PCS, Nationals, assignments) if, say, he were to use Tom Dickson?
  13. Sedge

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    Nan Song used Jeff Buttle this year...so it seems the Chinese Fed are open to that.
  14. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Still no news on whether he is going to Sr Worlds? His name is already off the Jr Worlds list.
  15. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    ^^^ That's a bit worrying? Hope Han Yan is ok?
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  17. TheIronLady

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    I believe all the Chinese use foreign choreographers.
  18. os168

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    Yes and No, it is too easy to generalise. They have their own. Take Li Zijun for example, she used to have Karen Kwan, and last year she had David Wilson for FS, and Jiang Hailan for SP. This year she has Jian Hailan for SP again, and Lori Nochols for FS. Han's choreography could do with lots of improvements, but as such, his Chinese choreographer did enough to showcase his strength which are his enormous jumps. I expect next year Chinese Fed will push for him like what they did for Zijun to try with a foreign choreographer too. (Anyone but Morozov pls)

    I actually don't think International Choreographer helps too much with politicks thought it does help a little because it ultimately bring the skater to their potentials. Federation power and in particular who they want to support seems more important. ZiJun imo has been under marked all season in PCS like Hanyu were last year until JSF has clearly gone behind him this year. Chinese Federation seems to have very little influence, just look at CoC where literally no Chinese skaters benefit unlike other federations at their home events. I am really excited by Yan, his potential is enormous, could he be a direct rival to Hanyu in the next few years? Btw, someone should update his Wiki, he is still listed at 5ft5 lol.... surely he is not that short!? Hanyu is listed like 170cm / 5ft7

    These photos shows he has grown since then

    http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/...f4134987a9440241f95cad1c85eba_zpscfadf13a.jpg
    http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/...1cb13b36ead2ddc54564e92584b8d_zps7d37e602.jpg
  19. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I don't know, he might be. I was just looking at some pictures from Junior Worlds last year, with Joshua and Han and Jason standing in a row (no skates), and Josh towers over both of them, while Han is only more or less the same height as Jason, who claims to be 5'6". Joshua is supposed to be 5'8" (according to his icenetwork bio). However, I suspect all three have grown again since then - Jason has looked taller at some events this season, and so has Han.
  20. Jun Y

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    The kid has a dry sense of humor. Some of his weibo (Chinese twitter) tweets are deadpan funny.
  21. TheIronLady

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    What do they say? I still need to learn Chinese. :(
  22. Jun Y

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    It's kind of hard to translate the humor. He posted a couple of photos of his cat ("pretty girl") and then complained that "pretty girl" chose to poop outside the litter box just to mess with him.

    Last year Yan posted a photo at JGPF with Josh Farris and Jason Brown (1, 2, 3), in which he stood in the middle and stuck both hands in front while the other boys held their arms behind him. He said something like "Didn't know where to put my hands. Awkward!"
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    I don't know a thing about humor in Chinese culture, but cat and podium humor have universal charm.
  24. Marco

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    To me his biggest strength is his wonderful flow and ease of movement across the ice - that's how he got the relatively high PCS despite being so wooden in his expression. His choreographer did well picking familiar music for him but he still needs to emote more, skate with a purpose and pack in some more transitions. Right now it looks like he is skating from one end of the ice to the ice aimlessly waiting to jump.
  25. skatingfanfun

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    Agree with the first part but not the last. I think he's quite musical and the programs were choreographed just fine. If you don't look at his face it is almost perfect. All he needs is more facial expression. his body expression is there already IMO.
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    Many Chinese skaters tend to be rather wooden with their facial expressions. It seems to take them awhile to let loose on the ice and open up and show emotion.
  27. skatingfanfun

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    Sui /Han came to my mind as an ex exception . They are the rare "show off " type Chinese skaters, kind of natural to them.
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    great!
  30. shine

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    That's great, but what are you trying to prove? Why not post a current video of his skating to prove that he has great presentation? If the video says anything, it's that his presentation has actually regressed since he was 10...
  31. waltzNo1

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    I am sorry that you don't get my point in a more positive way. But at least you agree that Han can skate well presentation wise even when he was only 10 or 11 years old. So my actual point is that what Han needs now is a good program that can inspire and motivate him. His lack of presentation is not a capability issue.
  32. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    When Josh was 10 or 11 he could do a Biellmann spin and an I spin.

    *shrugs*

    What they could do at 10 or 11 is not relevant. Han's focus should be on bringing out what he can do. I don't think anyone ever suggested he wasn't capable of presenting, just that he needed to work on it.
  33. pinky166

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    Han's PCS marks would indicate he's pretty good in the the presentation category already. I agree with posters saying it's more an issue of having the right vehicle and programs. I am a fan of Yan's SP this season but not so much the FS. He is a powerful skater and I think powerful, dramatic music is good for him - the tango he pulls off very well. While Masquerade is powerful I find it a bit too monotonous, which is accentuated with the way Yan's program is layed out. I think David Wilson could create a great program to highlight Yan's strengths.
  34. MorganaLefay

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    I am a gushy "uber". Love him, love his waltz-axels, tons of potential here. Wld be fun to see him train outside of China, of course Orser wld be ideal, but wld be interesting to see him as TAT's pet:). Or even with Carroll. The Russian commentators on 4cc said he's world champion material, and that's one of the few sane things they said.
  35. jjane45

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    Here is the pretty girl!!

    Yeah he has the most interesting weibo among the Chinese skaters IMO :p

    I doubt any skater will get to train abroad for extended period of time, a few male skaters did attend a summer training camp in Colorado Springs recently though. Before this season started, a federation official mentioned getting foreign choreographer for YAN Han but it apparently did not happen.
  36. geoskate

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    CBC showed the 4CC men's field today, and the commentators were raving about his jumps, especially the distance he covers on his jumps and how true his lutz is. Tracy Wilson said that she sees real musicality in his lower body, but that his upper body and face don't yet express that. They both agreed with what the Russian commentators said (thanks, MorganaLefay for the quote), that he could be eventual world championship material. I agree.

    It will be really interesting to see how he develops as a skater.
  37. luckiest1

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    I am intrigued to follow this talented young skater in future years. And he has a great smile (when he shows it!)
  38. spikydurian

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    Indeed luckiest1. Han Yan definitely has the talent and skills. Hope to see him within the top 5 in future. I think top 10 is within reach for him soon but not too sure about top 5.
    I think Lori can do wonders with him just like she did wonders with Patrick.:)
  39. pinky166

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    Han has everything he needs to be a contender on the World stage, as a senior. He's not even 17 yet and it's all there already. Now it just comes down to harnessing and making the most of his abilities, developing more consistency, control, and maturity, which is likely to come, at least in part, naturally with age. What really stands out to me though is his power! It's rare you see a skater that young with that kind of power and command of the ice. He is a small guy too, a sturdy physique for his age, but really still very small framed, compact, making his explosiveness that much more :eek:. He could really be something special in a few years time I think.
  40. Sedge

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    If Skate Asia was after Mar 6.2005...he would be 9..born Mar 3.1996.

    Pretty impressive for a 9 year old.