haircutter vs catchfoot layback

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  1. iarispiralllyof

    iarispiralllyof Active Member

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    people seem to be really inconsistent in labeling/calling these two moves out, and often they seem to be mistaken for each other, so I'm really confused

    am i correct in assuming that the haircutter just has the foot extended higher up beside the head (not over it like a biellman), whereas the catchfoot layback has the foot below the head? google images seems really inconsistent with this move :confused:

    on a side note: the pearl just seems to be a catchfoot layback with the legs straightened out more so it's like a biellman but in a layback position? a lot of people are inconsistent about this as well. I've seen mirai nagasu's catchfoot layback labelled a pearl spin even though the leg isn't straightened out

    AHH!!
     
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  2. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

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    I think your description of the pearl spin as a lay-back in the Biellman position is a good description.

    Irina has one of the best catch foot. I think the term catch-foot and hair-cutter is interchangeable. I mean Irina definitely could've cut her hair with her blade while in the catch-foot position.
     
  3. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    Your descriptions are good. To me, the hair cutter has the blade near the head, potentially "cutting" the hair. The pearl, the head is near the knee, because like a biellman, the leg is extended.

    A catch foot layback is any position laid back holding the foot. So this could be either of the above moves, but so could other laybacks.
     
  4. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady New Member

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    Didn't Dick Button unfortunately contribute to the semantics issues with this? He seemed unprepared for the proliferation of catch foot moves, so sometimes he would search a bit.
     
  5. 5Ali3

    5Ali3 Active Member

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    Skittl1321's definitions are great.

    Technically, a "haircutter" in which the skater simply grabs the free leg and raises the blade to head level isn't a difficult variation of a layback position. In order to get it called as a difficult variation, there should be additional bend in the core. This is one of the calls that frequently falls into the gray zone; some callers are very picky about the "change in core;" others will award it based on flexibility alone.
     
  6. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    I miss The Pearl. A thing of beauty.
     
  7. iarispiralllyof

    iarispiralllyof Active Member

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    Thanks for all of the feedback you guys!

    What confuses me is that there are a variety of very similar moves

    like akiko's catchfoot right here (notice how the leg is brought up higher in the end than with say..mirai's)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STyh8j0Urhw#t=4m46s

    this would qualify as a haircutter too wouldn't it? carolina does sth similar
     
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