Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

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  1. gingercrush

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    Yes Chopin's Nocturne No. 2 which she used in the 2006-2007 season. I'm not entirely sure what version of Noctune this piece was using.
  2. BigB08822

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    Douglas has the goods on bars to score what she did. Her beam score shot up because she stayed on for once and didn't wobble all over the place. Why wouldn't it go up if she hit a set? She also hit both beam sets before AA finals so the judges had PLENTY of chances to decide how they would score a hit beam from her. I remember all your whining during the Olympics now that I think about it, though, so I am not at all surprised to see you still trying to justify that Komova (or any one not American) should have won the AA. I could swear that you finally gave in after London and said Douglas deserved the win...hmmm...
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    Her bars score shot up quite a bit.. The whole thing was fishy. Either they were holding back big time on bars scores being tight in prelims/finals in order ot help the Americans out and then losen them later on but I believe her score shot up by 7tenths. Its a huge amount and not like it was that much better ala Komova's floor.
  4. gingercrush

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    If anything is questionable about Douglas it is should she have gotten into the AA final in the first place due to her huge mistakes on floor.

    But come AA. Douglas pretty perfect Amanar versus Komova's worst Amanar which was ugly in all three phases of competition (Quals/TF/AA). Bars. Komova's bars looked sluggish in qualification and team finals and wasn't much better in the AA final. Douglas's bars in the AA were the best she hit on Olympic competition. Komova still had the avantage but I don't know what happened but Komova's bars just looked way more laboured than they ordinarily do and I think that Giant isn't liked by judges. Beam. I think Komova was slightly underscored and whilst I don't like Gabby's style on beam it doesn't matter. She packs difficulty and was connecting the hell out of it hence her big score there. On Floor Komova did very well still her chest needed to more upwards on some of her landings. It has lower difficulty than Gabby which is also why there wasn't a huge score difference.

    And Bek you were saying comments like apparently Komova's amanar was just as nice as the Americans. Except it was UGLY.
  5. pollyanna

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    I think the wrong person defintiely won at the 2011 Worlds, Komova should have won there even with her lower difficulty and shaky beam and floor performances. Wieber was overscored on all of vault, beam, and floor there I felt. However I think in London the right person won. It was close enough to be debateable though, Douglas's bars and beam scores were arguably a bit generous, and Komova's beam and floor scores argaubly a bit too low. However some thought Komova's vault score, albeit rightfully low, should have been even a bit lower. Of course one could strongly argue Wieber should have qualified for the AA over Douglas after Douglas botched her floor routine in qualifications, and if she had Komova would be guaranteed the AA gold with the same performance (no way Wieber even at her very best comes close to Komova's AA performance, even with the missed Amanar).
  7. vesperholly

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    Found it: Chopin's Nocturne in E Flat Major (not the orchestral rendering that Kudryavtseva used): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZUw78FXpG4

    Mao skated to it for her 06-07 SP. She has skated to a lot of Chopin!
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    Grandi is re-elected as the president of FIG by a landslide. the rest of the positions are as follows:



    Vice-Presidents
    Slava Corn CAN
    Michel Leglise FRA
    Yuri Titov RUS

    Executive Committee

    1) WATANABE Morinari JPN
    2)VIDMAR Peter USA
    3) LUO Chaoyi CHN
    4) ABOUEDEL D. Saif KUW
    5) AL-HITMI Ali Ahmad QAT
    6) WILLAM Wolfgang GER
    7) PENICHE Alejandro MEX

    BUTCHER Steve (USA) is the president of Men's Technical committee, Nelli Kim (BLR) is re-elected as the president of WTC, Natalya Kuzmina (RUS ) is the RG TC president. Horst Kuzhne (GER) is the president of trampoline technical committee
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  10. pollyanna

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    McKayla will have a role on the Nov 20 episode of Hart of Dixie and Gabby has a cameo on the Nov 29 episode of The Vampire Diaries.
  12. BigB08822

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    So what happened to those predictions of Gabby being the biggest thing to happen to US Gymnastics since...ever? I knew it wouldn't pan out. People just don't care any more and have more distractions than ever before. Maroney has been the break out star, IMO but she doesn't even come close to the fame of those who came before her.
  13. Anita18

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    Having played this Chopin piece, I almost had to turn off the sound. :eek: One of the most un-musical renditions I've ever heard! :yikes:

    The gymnastics was lovely though. :)
  14. Fridge_Break

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    Fffffffffffffffffffff.
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    Well predictions, much like in skating, aren't ALWAYS right. ;) Although I'm much happier that my other prediction came true. :biggrinbo

    Gymnastics doesn't matter here anymore. Shawn, Nastia, Gabby, and McKayla are as big of stars as we can get in gymnastics but the interest has slowly died out after 1996.

    I'm really excited to see how this season pans out. I still have all of my chips on Kyla Ross. :D
  16. Karpenko

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    Chusovitina announced that she is aiming to compete in Rio:

    http://www.gymmedia.com

    :lol: I personally think they should rename the Olympics after her at this point.
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    I'm not sure if I should :respec: or :scream:, but as long as she can stay injury-free, good for her!
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    LMAO! I hope Chuso makes it. Why the hell not?
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    She's Carly Patterson in personality! Even during the Olympics Maroney was the breakout. Her personality and even her vault was more impressive singularly than anything Douglas did. But maybe she will come back and do another season and then go on a show? Some kind of reality show?
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    It is such a shame that in an era the U.S are dominating and having by far their most success in the sport in history Americans dont care about gymnastics the way they used to. Someone like Kristi Phillips who achieved nothing but hype, and never even qualified for a weak medal-less U.S Olympic team is more famous than World and Olympic winners from the U.S of recent times. Someone like Kerri Strug is way more famous than any recent gymnast for the vault heard around the World, even though individually she achieved virtually nothing noteworthy (relatively speaking) in the sport. The U.S has won 4 of the last 8 World or Olympic team events, and they have had 7 different women win a World or Olympic AA title in the last 9 years alone. Simply astouding. In addition to those 7 women they have the all time record U.S World Championship medal winner (Sacramone), a 7 time World medalist despite a career basically cut well short by injury (Bross), and a slew of other huge stars (Kupets, Maroney, Raisman). Yet people had already tuned the sport out by that point, and still care mostly about the Mag 7, Mary Lou, and to a lesser degree Miller, Zmeskal, Dawes, and a few overhyped ones.
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    I've also wondered why we haven't heard about Gabby picking up any endorsements since the Olympics. I suppose the Kellogg's box counts but that company was already involved in gymnastics endorsement before the Olympics. I can't believe that Gabby didn't pick up any endorsements after winning the all-around. Aly Raisman has 2 or 3 endorsements, albeit small, since London. What is going on with Gabby's agent? Did she fall asleep at the wheel?
  24. mkats

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    This is interesting...

    I wonder how the coaching situation at WOGA will change? Will Liukin still keep coaching his own gymnasts? And is Marchenko still around anymore?
  25. BigB08822

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    It sounds like they are simply setting USGA up to transfer power when Marta really does retire. Smart move as this should help create a much smoother transition when it happens and you wont have to worry about the program finding its way and rebuilding again.

    I think part of the reason that US gymnasts have trouble achieving the same kind of fame as they used to is that there are so many great gymnasts. Mary Lou was the first of her kind. Even someone like Phillips was able to make it big without the success because people wanted her to win so badly. Now there is no shortage of US gold medalists. No need to invest so heavily in one because another is around the corner. Each team has multiple World medalists on it and the focus on specialists only increases this. It is a good problem to have, really. Marta doesn't mind, I am sure, lol
  26. Yehudi

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    Marchenko moved to the WOGA facility in Frisco. Cecile Caqueteau and her husband Laurent were the ones coaching the next gen
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    ^ That Essence cover is beautiful and also age appropriate. Her stylist has been amazing since the Olympics, I've loved pretty much everything that I've seen her in.

    I think the new position for Liukin and Rybacki is USA Gymnastics way of slowly phasing out Marta. I don't think this will change Valeri coaching any personal gymnasts, from what I gather he is more in charge of the developmental program than any gymnasts making major teams.
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    She has a deal with Nintendo (her commercial has been out for a while), a deal with OPI cosmetics (her ad will be out in December). That plus her appearance on Vampire Diaries, being named Sports Woman of the Year, spreads in Vanity Fair, Glamour and Essence cover, I thought she was doing pretty well for just a few months after the Olympics.
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    Oh really? :confused: Is this one any good? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PirzRFQfU3U

    I did find one by Maksim Mrvica that is completely awful. :rofl:

    OT: Carly looks really pretty in her wedding pictures. And I feel old.
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    Wow. That ball routine looks lovely but I had to stop because I started laughing when the Nocturne became a Sugar Plum Fairy dance in the middle.

    The rendition you have is IMO very strong technically but I interpret it differently when playing. It always seemed more meditative given the start, kind of like a piece that'd come to mind when you're just sitting by a fireplace a night.

    I'm very uninventive for my favorites but I like this interpretation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP8MW6WE9R4&feature=related ... to me, the rise and fall is very well accented by the slight pauses he uses. The same with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGRO05WcNDk

    And I went to search out the Maksim Mrvica one since you said it was awful. PML. I love the version I found, where the clarinet isn't in sync with him playing so it sounds like a mess for a measure. :lol:
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    This one, right? I was looking for an orchestral version like in the ball routine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBpI3gQ5wzw I am no expert, but I took enough piano lessons to know a little, and he seemed almost like a student while playing it - stiff, even, like he was hitting the keys with the same strength for all the notes. What's the word for it, pedantic? Determined to make each note isolated? Some of the quicker notes in particular were excruciatingly hesitant, especially at 1:48. The orchestration was beautiful, though.

    Yundi Li's version has a nice softness to it.
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    That's the one! You're right... it's all mechanically correct and he even has the pauses, but it's very imbalanced between the hands. All right emphasis and almost nothing left, so you get no bass feeling from it.

    The thing about nocturnes in general is that they're very open-ended to interpretation, so speedups and slows are all relative to the performer and listener. It's easier to play it in whatever cadence you like since there is no strict adherence to rhythm like, say, a dance or a sonata, but in the same vein it has to fit the mood. Then again, it's really hard to determine a mood when the performer in question somehow turned a finely tuned mechanical piano into sounding like one of the cheaper-end electronic models. ;)

    I'm also no expert, so please take my thoughts with a grain of salt. :) I just like to play music. Chopin's one of my favorite composers (along with Debussy) for the harmony and images they manage to convey in their music, so I've played that nocturne a lot and found what I enjoy doing with it as a result.
  35. Aceon6

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    You also have to factor how the gymnastics base correlates with advertisers target demographic and how they want to allocate their $. Gabby's Q score is great among those who recognize her without a leotard and medals hung around her neck. IIRC, less than 20% can ID her "out of uniform." I wouldn't expect her to get endorsements other than stuff targeted for the tween market. It doesn't mean she's not considered advertising gold, it's just that she's pitching to relatively few companies vs someone like Lochte. The three biggest advertising blocks are fast food, beer and cars, and Gabby isn't in line for any of that work.
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    Anyone know how the latest Karolyi camp went?
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    Random observation, but I was bored and surfing around Nastia Liukin's website and learned that she's not with Evan Morganstein anymore - she's now represented by a Diane McNamara, of "Fire it Up" PR company. Just thought that was interesting since there was so much hoopla about her good relationship with her agent after the Olympics.
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    I was in a Doctor's office today where there were a lot of magazines with ads -- People, SI, Vanity Fair, US, etc. I glanced through several and noticed that there were a lot more ads in the May-July magazines with Olympic hopefuls than there were in Aug-Oct with Olympic medalists. The ad campaigns for Aug to Oct had moved on to feature NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL athletes. There were a few in the late summer/fall with the really big names - Phelps, Lochte, Bolt, May-Walsh, but overall, the Olympic athlete endorsements looked far more lucrative for the run up than for the aftermath.
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