Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

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  1. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    I don't think Skinner even qualified to US Championships, which makes her making worlds somewhat less likely ;)

    Anna Li judged vault and other recently retired gymnasts turned judges included Tabitha Yim on beam and Chellsie Memmel on bars. I have to say that the US does a great job and getting former high level athletes into high level judging very quickly.
     
  2. london_calling

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    Skinner qualified at a previous camp.
     
  3. BigB08822

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    I am kind of surprised at how quickly those gymnast get through the ranks to judge. It is not easy at all to be judging those major events. I know people who have been working on becoming a judge for years and they haven't gotten near a U.S. Classic or Nationals. I guess, like many other jobs, it is very political and about who you know.

    I do remember Chellsie mentioning how much she had been working on judging (including the low level local meets) so maybe the others have been doing the same thing just in quiet.

    ETA: Anna Li. :( I am still not over what happened to her at Worlds. Too bad she didn't stick with it this year, the U.S. has absolutely no one to send for UB and Li, at her best, could make EF.
     
  4. Allen

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    When I first saw Anna Li at a glance I thought it was Tabitha Yim. Good to know Chellsie and Tabitha were there judging as well. I know Christy Phillips is a D panel judge at Nationals quite a bit and that Kim Zmeskal judged in the past. It was also cool to see Elena Zamolodchikova (I know I butchered that)and Alana Slater judging at Pacific Alliance.

    I think that athletes can get an accelerated judging path. I know Tabitha and Chellsie got their judging brevets a couple years ago and that Chellsie worked nationals last year as a timer on floor and bars (?).
     
  5. Spareoom

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    Yeah, former gymnasts can get fast-tracked to becoming a judge in the US...they get to skip a lot of the waiting periods between tests, I think? Anyway, I knew Chellsie was a judge now but I had no idea that Anna got certified as well.
     
  6. Erin

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    I had a great time at US Classic - first time at a gymnastics meet in about 6 years and definitely the biggest crowd I've ever seen for gymnastics. Great to meet danafan for the first time too!

    I agree with the sentiments above that the junior meet was more exciting and competitive than seniors - overall, I felt like the juniors seemed like they were in better shape and near peak form whereas many of the seniors seemed nervous and perhaps lacking some endurance, judging by the number of falls on the last tumbling line on floor.

    Highlight of the meet for me was Nia Dennis - I loved the power and aggression she had on every event and as someone else mentioned, she had the most spectacular standing arabian on beam I've ever seen. I hope she can find a way to rein in the power just a tiny bit (to stay on the beam for that back handspring-double layout) without losing what makes her special. Also loved Norah Flatley on beam and bars. I felt like she had a lovely calmness on beam, so it was nice to just be able to relax and enjoy her performance. Her teammate Alexis Vasquez also had beautiful lines but couldn't stay on the beam. Lauren Hernandez was tons of fun on floor and I was also really impressed with Emily Schild on vault (but thought it was strange that the great vaulting didn't translate into decent tumbling on floor).

    For the seniors, Maroney and Priessman looked better than I'd expected, and pretty much all of the other big names looked worse than I'd expected. Maroney looks like she's right back where she left off on vault and better than before on floor. Marta would be crazy to leave her off the World team - and if she shows up in Hartford with a half-decent bars and beam set, I'd love to see her snag an all-around spot. Dowell and Biles looked very nervous throughout the competition and the fall Biles had in warm-up on her Amanar was very scary. I still like Ross's lines and polish but I wish that she had a bit more excitement and umph in her gymnastics (and her vault was WAY overscored...in what universe did that deserve the same E-score as Maroney?). She just doesn't have anything that makes me go "wow", although I did think the whipback-double tuck on floor was cool. I'm torn on Mykayla Skinner...I really want to like her as she has so many cool skills, my favorite being the back handspring-arabian on beam. But she also does everything SO sloppily. She's like the opposite of Kyla - maybe the two of them could rub off on each other somehow?
     
  7. BigB08822

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    I am here to admit I was wrong. I kept questioning people who factored Ross into the UB title picture at Worlds and I was wrong. Her routine at U.S. Classics was beautiful and scored better than anyone else has this year. She looks better than ever and she was already good on UB. The whole routine just floats and has great rhythm. She still has in one of those handstand stepdowns but one isn't so bad. I also think (the angle was hard to be sure) that she keeps her feet together on her Shaposh half transition, her legs used to come apart slightly. I still think, in my gut, that Mustafina and/or Komova will show up at Worlds with an upgraded routine that will outscore Ross by .2 - .3 but if they don't upgrade then Ross can certainly take it. And, of course, Ross could potentially upgrade herself (she showed a stalder after her Pak at camp).
     
  8. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    I don't know how they came up with a 6.3 D score for Ernst on beam....she didn't even attempt a dance series!

    http://youtu.be/9wtMJoqGTg0
     
  9. BigB08822

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    Good catch. I wonder if the split half was supposed to be connected to another leap? She wobbled on it so perhaps she didn't feel she could connect whatever it was. The judges clearly missed it.

    I linked to her routine and asked on a gymnastics message board so lets see what they say. Some of them probably saw her practice and know what she left out.
     
  10. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

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    Beam judging in general seemed wonky to me. I wondered about a lot of leaps getting credited, but it seemed like they had to with D scores being what they were. I thought a lot of the E scores on beam were very generous while others seemed very harsh.

    Vault was the usual, if you have a big vault or a big name, your E score is huge. I really didn't get where Kyla Ross was .65 better in execution than say Kennedy Baker.

    I'd be curious to know which of the leg at horizontal double turns were credited on floor.
     
  11. danafan

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    For what it's worth I came up with a 5.7 D score for Ernst, which besides having no attempted dance series, included the switch ring taken down to a D (front leg position) and no connection on the aerial walkover to sheep jump. Still that's 0.6 below what was given, and there's 0.3 worth of DV and CV I didn't credit, so I really have no idea what they credited. There's no theoretical way to get a 6.3 unless she has 2.5 in CR.
     
  12. danafan

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    I thought Ross was overscored on vault, but having a big vault didn't help Mykayla Skinner. Her first vault got 8.85 only. Sure it was a little flat, but vault E scores have been higher this year since the deductions were changed (0.5/0.3 are the max for height and length compared to 0.8/0.5 before, and dynamics has been removed.) I thought the score was harsh,
     
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  13. Karpenko

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    Welcome to the dark side. ;) This is the event that her added height has helped her the most IMO (though I was so excited thinking she took out all of the step-downs). It may be a rather stock routine, but it's very very clean and I really like the lack of execution deductions. Now it's just nit-picks, her swing and rhythm are great.
     
  14. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

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    I forgot about Skinner. Vault was the only event where skinner wasn't a complete mess. I thought 8.85 was really harsh, considering, as you said that the max penalities for height and length have changed and dynamics is no longer considered. I came up with about 9.1 on that vault. With the changes in scoring, you would think that the scores wouldn't have been so harsh, but some of the junior judging was downright brutal. Another place that I thought was harsh was Nia Dennis...yeah, I know she got a good score, but I think she could have gotten a little higher.
     
  15. london_calling

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    I didn't see Ohashi on the senior list, guessing her season is over then?
     
  17. london_calling

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    If that's the case it's a shame because I think a team of Biles, Maroney, Ohashi, and Ross would have been perfect.
     
  18. BigB08822

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    Ohashi being out is not a surprise. Hopefully next year.
     
  19. judgejudy27

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    I wonder who they will send for bars and beam now, assuming Ross is 1 of the 2 AAers. That spot is basically a write off so maybe they should just send Maroney to do vault, a super floor specialist who can medal on floor to do floor, and have Maroney and the other girl each do one of bars or beam knowing that it is meaningless but they send their chances to medal on vault and floor anyway.
     
  20. Karpenko

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    Or they could send Ross, Maroney, and Biles for AA. That won't happen though, I'm guessing someone like Brenna Dowell will have a role similar to Jana Bieger on the 05 world team. Or maybe Price..

    I fear this is the beginning of the end for Ohashi. :(
     
  21. Fridge_Break

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    I fear this is probably true. Very, very rarely are the juniors who have been well-known whizzbangs for years before turning senior able to keep that same high-level of skills and execution into the late-teen years.
     
  22. BigB08822

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    Ohashi has the advantage of being strong on bars with room for upgrades. If she can recover and avoid further shoulder issues then she can be chosen for future teams based on bars alone. Not to mention her beam was always one of the highest scores. That makes her a strong 2 eventer. Of course, the entire thing depends on if her shoulder allows her to be competitive on bars ever again.
     
  23. HeatherC

    HeatherC Go Team SW Florida! =)

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    Not sure if this was posted or not (I've been away from FSU off and on) but...

    Happy Gold Medal Anniversary to the Fierce Five!!!!! :cheer: :cheer2: :cheer: :cheer2:

    danafan-Hope you had fun at Classics! :biggrinbo
     
  24. Dr.Siouxs

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    Time flies. :eek: Fierce Five!!!! :40beers:
     
  25. Theatregirl1122

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    Wow. Has it really been a year? Crazy.

    I'm going back and forth on whether to go to the Men's events in Hartford. I have to be in New York Saturday morning and won't get home until about 2am Saturday night so I'm a bit concerned that I'll be insanely tire but, on the other hand, I am not sure when I'll have another chance to see these guys and I haven't gotten to see the University of Michigan gymnasts (Sam Mikulak, Adrian de los Angeles, and Stacey Ervin) since I graduated. I have no chance to see the ladies but, honestly, I think the Men's field is way better this year. So I'm just kind of working up to buy the tickets because, even though I'll be really tired, it's worth it.
     
  26. Gabybackhand

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    I am surprised to see anyone even considering Maroney deplacing Biles as an AAer at Worlds. Unless Biles has a huge error I dont see how Maroney would beat her in the AA and at Nationals being a 2 day competition Biles would probably have to have atleast 2 falls, and the only way Marta would even consider dropping Biles from the AA for Maroney is if Maroney beat her at Nationals. If both hit Biles would score so much higher on both bars and beam, similar or probably higher on floor, and very close to the same on vault so how would Maroney ever come close? I actually think Maroney would have more shot to beat Ross for an AA spot than Biles, since she can atleast crush Ross on vault and maybe floor. Although I dont expect that to happen either, and expect Biles and Ross to be the 2 AAers at Worlds.

    Biles I still think is the favorite to win the AA at Worlds right now, or atleast the best U.S hope, not Ross. I dont know why some are talking about Ross like she is the #1.
     
  27. BigB08822

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    No one expects Maroney to beat Biles in the AA if Biles is even close to being in form. However, the fact remains that Biles went 0/3 at the U.S. Classic. That is in just ONE DAY of competition. If she had two bad days at Nationals then we are talking way more than 2 falls and probably a bad enough showing to not even make the team for her vault. Maroney is a very decent AAer if she can get through bars. Of course, she has to stay on beam but that is true for everyone, including Biles. I don't expect Maroney to be an AAer but the possibility is there and that is what people are noticing. No one expected Biles to absolutely implode at Classics. Ross is getting the #1 talk because she has been consistent all year. She has the fall on floor at Classics but it looked like a fluke, as if she opened up too early.

    I have no idea who will win it all come Worlds, my money is on Komova or Mustafina, but I feel like Ross is the only lock for an AA spot on team USA. Whether Ross ends up the World champ or highest placing American...who knows, but I feel very confident she will be competing AA because of her success this year.

    Finally, I find your choice of the word "deplacing" to be odd. How can anyone deplace Biles? Biles is not on the team yet and has done very little to guarantee herself a spot other than show potential. Quite frankly, Biles is damn lucky the U.S. lacks depth this year because Marta would probably have been done with her after that Classics showing if she had a few other options.
     
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  28. Gabybackhand

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    I think you are reading too much into one bad event. Biles has been quite consistent the rest of the year until now. I put her over Ross as an AAer since her scoring potential is much higher overall IMO. Her vault and floor would outscore Ross by more than Ross could outscore her on bars and beam (if both hit) and I am not yet convinced Biles is inconsistent since she just had one bad event.
     
  29. danafan

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    I don't think anyone is a lock for an AA spot at worlds. Biles has, IMO, the biggest scoring potential and her AA result at Jesolo with an international panel broke 60 points. I think if she hits at nationals, Biles would win quite comfortably.

    However the wild card is Maroney. She hasn't competed four events since the Olympic trials,,where yes she did struggle on bars, but the camp video showed that her swing had really improved.

    I find Ross rather boring, and at the Classic I thought she really lacked extension on all her leaps. I was rather shocked actually. I watched her fx from Jesolo on YouTube and noticed the same thing. And I think she clearly has insurance problems on floor. I remember at jr nationals in 2011 she did the hardest FX she had ever done and she fell short on her double pike last line, and in the Olympic year she did a much easier routine. I'm not convinced her fall was a fluke. I think she should consider reworking her routine with only three passes.

    Another wild card is Price. Her beam is weak, but her other three events could put her up there. Does she have a second vault? And how is her health anyway?
     
  30. BigB08822

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    Chellsie Memmel is coming back! Well, as a power tumbler. I am thrilled for her and wish her the best. She wants to go for the World Cup and World Championship team this fall. She posted a LONG entry on her Facebook page:

    https://www.facebook.com/officialChellsieMemmel
     
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