Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

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  1. Karpenko

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    They really haven't had a team of old for about 12 years now. Not since Sudney has Russia had a truly phenomenal team and that also goes for Russia's mediocre team with one very strong gymnast that ended up winning in 2010 at the World Championships. 2010 was the weakest women's team final in the history of women's gymnastics.

    The truth is, 2012 was the best team Russia has had (even with injury and mistake problems) since Sydney and they would not have won over the US that night no matter what. They also need to fire the Rodionenkos if they ever hope to have a prayer of a team even approaching last years.

    After viewing routines.. As long as she stand everything up, even with a landing deduction on every pass, I think Afan stands a stronger shot at winning the world title again on FX than she did in 2011. She's the returning Olympian that gets the majority of my love thus far (and Kyla Ross).
     
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    WAG QUALIFICATION VIDEOS UPDATED

    1. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 57.198 Floor, Beam, Vault 1, Vault 2
    2. BULIMAR Diana Laura (ROU) - 56.132 Floor, Beam, Vault
    3. GRISHINA Anastasia (RUS) - 56.065 Floor, Beam, Vault
    4. MUSTAFINA Aliya (RUS) - 56.057 Floor (3 mins in), Floor (2nd Copy), Uneven Bars, Beam
    5. POPA NEDELCU Roxana (ESP) - 55.065
    6. HARROLD Ruby (GBR) - 54.799
    7. MENEGHINI Elisa (ITA) - 54.782
    8. STEINGRUBER Giulia (SUI) - 54.732
    9. CAMPANA Giorgia (ITA) - 54.299
    10. MARTINS Ana Filipa (POR) - 53.099
    11. VARGAS Maria Paula (ESP) - 53.032
    12. BOCZOGO Dorina (HUN) - 52.732
    13. MAKRA Noemi (HUN) - 52.699
    14. FELLOWS Charlie (GBR) - 52.566
    15. van KLAVEREN Noel (NED) - 52.065 Floor, Beam, Uneven Bars, Vault
    16. HILL Lisa Katharina (GER) - 51.965
    17. KAESLIN Ilaria (SUI) - 51.499
    18. SIKULOVA Jana (CZE) - 51.132
    19. VASYLIEVA Olena (UKR) - 50.933
    20. ECKER Lisa (AUT) - 50.866
    21. GUSTAFSSON Ida (SWE) - 50.698
    22. AKYOL Cagla (GER) - 50.499
    23. KYSLA Angelina (UKR) - 50.432
    24. HAEMMERLE Elisa (AUT) - 50.365

    DID NOT QUALIFY

    AFANASYEVA Ksenia (RUS) Floor (6 mins 20 secs in), Floor (2nd Copy), Vault, Uneven Bars, Beam
     
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    EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS - WAG ALL-AROUND RESULT

    1.Aliya Mustafina (RUS) (15.033, 15.133, 14.400, 14.466) - 59.032
    2.Larisa Andreea Iordache (ROU) (14.900, 13.833, 14.833, 14.866) - 58.432
    3.Anastasia Grishina (RUS) (14.900, 15.033, 14.133, 13.866) - 57.932
    4.Diana Laura Bulimar (ROU) (14.766, 13.666, 14.400, 14.233) - 57.065
    =4Giulia Steingruber (SUI) (15.066, 13.800, 14.366, 13.833) - 57.065
    6.Roxana Popa Nedelcu (ESP) (14.633, 14.300, 13.633, 13.133) - 55.699
    7.Elisa Meneghini (ITA) (13.866, 13.633, 14.000, 13.700) - 55.199
    8.Ruby Harrold (GBR) (13.900, 14.033, 13.300, 13.400) - 54.633
    9.Maria Paula Vargas (ESP) (13.833, 13.900, 13.400, 13.200) - 54.333
    10.Ida Gustafsson (SWE) (13.833, 13.966, 13.233, 13.100) - 54.132
    11.Noemi Makra (HUN) (13.833, 13.466, 13.700, 12.966) - 53.965
    12.Giorgia Campana (ITA) (13.900, 13.933, 13.166, 12.966) - 53.965
    13.Ilaria Kaeslin (SUI) (13.733, 13.166, 13.933, 12.800) - 53.632
    14.Lisa Katharina Hill (GER) (13.766, 14.366, 11.966, 13.300) - 53.398
    15.Ana Filipa Martins (POR) (13.233, 13.300, 12.800, 13.000) - 52.333
    16.Noel van Klaveren (NED) (14.366, 11.733, 12.366, 13.333) - 51.798
    17.Olena Vasilyeva (UKR) (13.300, 12.766, 13.266, 12.000) - 51.332
    18.Charlie Fellows (GBR) (13.633, 13.200, 12.100, 12.266) - 51.199
    19.Lisa Ecker (AUT) (13.766, 12.500, 12.400, 12.525) - 51.191
    20.Dorina Boczogo (HUN) (13.600, 11.600, 11.700, 13.300) - 50.200
    21.Jana Sikulova (CZE) (13.533, 13.633, 11.266, 12.500) - 50.932
    22.Cagla Akyol (GER) (13.600, 11.733, 12.500, 12.533) - 50.366
    23.Elisa Haemmerle (AUT) (13.933, 12.366, 11.033, 12.600) - 49.932
    24.Angelina Kysla (UKR) (0.000, 13.400, 11.466, 13.133) - 37.999

    Many congratulations to Musty - EUROPEAN CHAMPION!!!!

    :cheer2::biggrinbo:cheer2::biggrinbo:cheer2:

    Apart from some wobbles on beam, great performance

    Super performance by Iordache on the first 3 apparatus as well, but yet again Romania comes unstuck on the bars. They really really do need to start sorting themselves out on that piece

    Congratulations too to Grishina, who proved the doubters wrong.
     
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    It really is unbelievable, two falls for the women who placed 3rd und 4th! I am sure the shame is unbearable - for the entire continent of Europe.
     
  7. Maofan7

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    It is also worth pointing out that European and Chinese gymnasts do not deploy full difficulty this early in the season and this early in the quad. They do this to prevent injury. In contrast, American gymnasts deploy much higher difficulty much earlier, quite simply because it's difficult to get into their team. However, that obviously comes with huge risks and it's something I really dislike. Already this season, there have been injuries to Katelyn Ohashi, Elizabeth Price, and Kyla Ross. It's not just the risk of injury either, it's also the burn out that's likely to occur. The injury to Ohashi should represent a wake up call. The USAG needs to get the message across to coaches to pace their gymnasts better to avoid injury. I know the Russian Fed really took the lesson on board the hard way following Mustafina's ACL injury doing an Amanar that she simply did not need to do to win the 2011 European AA. It's simply not worth risking career ending injuries to win minor competitions. Another example is Rebecca Bross who could have gone on to become the Olympic AA champion. Her career was destroyed by a knee injury which she was unable to properly recover from.

    It was particularly infuriating to see the injury to Gabby Jupp at Europeans. She had huge potential. Yet, she has suffered a serious knee injury before her career has even really begun. It's such a waste of talent.
     
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  8. millyskate

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    This. The American gymnasts need to go for broke to catch Martha's attention, and the injury rate is insane. European gymnasts are not facing the same level of competition to get onto the national team, neither are the coaches prepared to break their athletes in the same way. It's super sad about Jupp and I very much hope it's not a career ending injury.
     
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  9. poths

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    Becky Downie could hardly breath when they were presenting the finalists. WHY would you get so overwhelmed by a frigging Euro champs when you have been around since 2006, have won nothing and have NOTHING to lose! Stalls on her first hand and face plants the mat on her second release. Sad for her, but indicative of the fragile state that British WAG is in. There's something so wrong in the set up/selection that makes them all feel unworthy and leads them to meltdown when opportunities arise. Blah

    Harrold was decent in the AA despite some questionable play it safe choices (no DTY and basic beam dismount), but everything else was tripe. Fellows? Awful! Then Downie and Harrold give UB medals to PASEKA??? Gah! Someone from the British MAG needs to get hold of the ladies! I fear Downie has just missed her only opportunity for a major medal.

    Beyond devestated for Jupp who HAS actually been brought through so carefully! The only big element risky elements she has are the UB and BB dismounts. Very unfortunate.

    Funny to see Meneghini with so much potential, performing routines that were really too easy for her. If she was American she'd be doing Amanars, double doubles and be retired half way through next year!

    Personally, Mustafafina's BB score felt WAAY over marked. Three HUGE checks and it scored more than a perfect Bulimar? Her triple twist was ten times uglier than london, it's not even a twist to be honest and yet she scored 14.6??? I'd have given it to Iordache, only her bars are so shit, I'm actually fin with a bit of politiking!

    Had Grishina been in any way decent on floor I'd have gone for her as the winner.
     
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  10. poths

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    You need to get a grip. The ignorance/arrogance is laughable!
     
  11. floskate

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    Poths completely agree. I'm fine with Musty as AA champ just because Iordache's bars are SO pants. It was quite exciting though to watch Iordache seemingly dominate only to have Musty's bars swing the whole thing on its head. Womens VT was awful and bars just a tad predictable. Musty only needed to phone it in but she did her job. I'm sure she'll be upgrading on bars for Worlds. I'm predicting Iordache to take BB and FX which will make her top medallist for the championships.

    This championships has been one of those rare occasions when I actually preferred watching the men's events to the women's. And while GB WAG goes down the swanny, I can console myself that GB MAG is alive and well. Congrats to Max Whitlock on his AA silver, PH bronze and floor gold, and I'm thrilled for Dan Keating who was ROBBED of a place on the Olympic team but has overcome injuries and bitter disappointment to take PH gold beating Berki :cheer:

    I'm devastated for Gabby Jupp who I think has (I'm hoping that's still present tense) so much potential, but you can't blame her injury on too much too fast like an Ohashi or something. Double pike is standard beam dismount. If anything she's just dreadfully unlucky :(
     
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  12. Domshabfan

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    I am hoping Ksenia will win the Floor finals ..
     
  13. Maofan7

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    2013 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS WAG VAULT FINAL - RESULT & VIDEOS

    1. STEINGRUBER Giulia (SUI) - 14.750 Vaults
    2. van KLAVEREN Noel (NED) - 14.466 Vaults
    = 2. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 14.466 Vaults
    7. PASEKA Maria (RUS) - 13.499 Vaults
     
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    2013 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS WAG UNEVEN BARS FINAL - RESULT & VIDEOS

    1. MUSTAFINA Aliya (RUS) - 15.300 Uneven Bars
    2. ADLERTEG Jonna (SWE) - 14.633 Uneven Bars
    3. PASEKA Maria (RUS) - 14.400 Uneven Bars
     
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  15. BigB08822

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    I'm not being arrogant! I'm not saying that the US is better, which is your assumption. Two gymnasts with two falls place in 3rd and 4th. We used to freak when someone won a medal with 1 fall! Now it's suddenly ok to do it with 2?! Finals were much better, anyway.

    The argument about how Europe and China don't compete full difficulty early in the quad is just laughable anyway. So they had those results with EASIER DIFFICULTY!? Now that's embarrassing.
     
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    Didn't watch the meet, but I'm glad that Mustafina can now call herself an individual European Champion. I was afraid it would never happen, especially after the horror that happened two years ago...

    Say what you will about the talk of her work ethic and attitude but I frankly wish more of Russia's gymnasts had her competitive mettle.
     
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  17. Domshabfan

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    What chinese and Europeans do is to experiment with their routine early in the season like Mustafina's beam routine, they are tweaking the routine all throughout the year... They are also working with small core group of athletes and they don't have the luxury like americans to go out all out... Americans are working with a large number of gymnasts, hence few broken gymnast is not a problem for them...

    And before you say anything more dramatic, let me tell you that AA finals was a class event with all top 5 registering no falls...
     
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  19. poths

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    Europe consists of many countries all with vastly different economical backgrounds, support systems, facilities and quality/access of coaching. To lump the performances of these vastly different nations into one Continental representation is moronic. Sweden for example have absolutely thrived here, Switzerland have found a couple of new stars and Spain are once more on the rise. You referred to the performances here as indicative of the Continent as a whole and with that, miss the obvious details.
     
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    I'm starting to think the American tendency to push their gymnasts to extreme before they've even developed is more likely a result of the fact that the coaches are from different nations, who have moved for economical reasons and therefore need their athletes to make the team for exposure and financial benefits. Whilst I agree that they have a deep pool to choose from, they continuously turn up at a championship with young girls who have literally broken down in the interim between selection and championships. 2008, Sam and Memmel were in pieces. Memmel performed on one limb :drama: 2011, they lost their captain the night before the QF, 2012 they had a gymnast with a broken toe,Wieber with a tear and two injured alternates. I'm not complaining, Id rather see three Amanars that could potentially end a gals career, as opposed to a full twisting layout. But then, I am the kind of person who watched Bross destroy her knee and was more concerned that her injury would scare the shit out of other competitors. :shuffle:


    At the end of the day US gym program is the bastard child of Russia/Romania/China. Plough in some cash, remove any great concern for their athlete's well being and you have a pretty great system. One day, they may even include some artistry.

    Imagine if Ukraine had 1/10th of the resources of the USA?

    Livchikova for Rio AA! :lol:

    Actually, why don;t the USA just buy Livchikova?!
     
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    Apologies that you had to read such a typo riddled rant that made little sense. Still, I suspect you're used to me by now.
    Completely agree with YOUR comments Flo. Also, what did you make of the Matt Baker/GB gymnast love shack yesterday? Hannah was so quiet, Thomas was so common and Smith, well he came across as articulate in that company which was hilarious. I think I actually enjoyed it. Any word on what happened to Lord God Mitch Fenner. Sorely missed!
     
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    2013 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS - MAG EVENT FINAL RESULTS & VIDEOS

    FLOOR

    1. WHITLOCK Max (GBR) - 15.333 Floor
    1. SHATILOV Alexander (ISR) - 15.333 Floor
    3. CINGOLANI Andrea (ITA) - 14.900 Floor

    RINGS

    1. AIT SAID Samir (FRA) - 15.466 Rings
    1. RADIVILOV Igor (UKR) - 15.466 Rings
    3. PINHEIROÂ RODRIGUES Danny (FRA ) - 15.433 Rings
     
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    Iordache has just won the beam final (Bulimar 2nd, Grishina 3rd)
     
  27. floskate

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    Ooooh Musty out and Grishina in for FX final.
     
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    Krystyna Sankova - UKR

    Already sold on her lines from the opening pose
    double arabian - step back
    1 1/2 through to a 2 1/2 - stuck
    Memmel - little off
    switch ring - strug - off balance
    Oh how I have missed Ukraine's line and body awareness
    Tour jete 1/1
    switch leap 1/1
    double pike - stumble forward and hand down


    Still Ukraine.. But she's very lovely to watch. Finishes every pose, line, extension.. rarely seen anymore sadly. 12.866
     
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    Anastasia Grishina - RUS

    tucked full in - hop back
    double turn L - good
    Unfortunate hair
    whip - triple - frog leap landing but beautiful in the air
    quad turn - beautiful
    2 1/2 - small shuffle
    switch leap - ring leap (really doesnt take advantage of difficulty in the leaps)
    double pike - very nice, best one she's ever done

    Could medal, one of my favorite routines to watch I just wish she could compete like Mustafina. 14.233
     
  30. Domshabfan

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    Steingruber went OOB twice
     
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