Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

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  1. Maofan7

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    This article confirms the current position. It reads:-

    I agree with the article in that Evgeniya Shelgunova will probably be the next top Russian gymnast to emerge (as highlighted by 2012 Jr Euro's: Beam, Floor, Uneven Bars, Vault). However, she will probably not be the only one to break through over the next couple of seasons. Maria Kharenkova also has just as much potential (as 2012 Jr Euro's also highlighted: Beam (EF), Floor (EF))

    Also agree with this point Rodionenko makes in the article:-

    Hence, it's no longer a case anymore of Amanar and out. Gymnasts during this quad will need a lot more artistry if they hope to win the AA at the next Olympics in Rio. That can only be good for the sport

    Finally, here is an interview with Aliya Mustafina.
     
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  2. Karpenko

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    I'm really intrigued that Afan has an Amanar. Actually I'm really impressed. :respec: would love to see her win the title actually. It HAS to be better than Paseka's. Her DTY has always been tidy and secure, she must have really worked on her block. I hope..
     
  3. poths

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    I'm still annoyed that Hannah Whelan wasn't chosen for Euros. Instead, they chose Charlie Fellows who has low D scores and no experience. I was fine with it at first because I thought Hannah had made the decision herself to study for her degree finals, but apparently, not the case!
     
  4. poths

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    Annoy videos of Afans Amanar?
     
  5. Domshabfan

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    So far only indication of her amanar is from Valentina Rodionenko's interviews. She in her two interviews has mentioned Afanaseyva is performing an amanar now... She also added the this was a surprise for them since no body was expecting Afanaseyva to have an amanar... We will know more once the European championships podium training videos starts appearing... i guess podium training will be on 16th April since men's qualification starts on 17th and Women's qualification on 18th April.

    European Gymnastics federation, UEG is showing the event live, here is the link http://eurovision.digotel.com/ueg/index.html
     
  6. stanhope

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    Wow, Maria Kharenkova is wonderful. Between the two, I think she is MUCH better than Shelgunova right now.
     
  7. Rob

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    What happened to Sidorova?
     
  8. Domshabfan

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    She first fell from a bike and injured her wrist, then after recovering from that she hurt her back during gymnastics training...
     
  9. danafan

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    But Fellows was second AA and Whelan 8th at the British Championships. Or should competiton results not matter when selecting teams?

    http://www.british-gymnastics.org/results/7198/Results_Allaround_-_WAG_Senior.pdf
     
  10. Maofan7

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    According to a recent interview, Rodionenko does not know whether Afan's amanar will be ready by Europeans and she said that it was Afan's idea to try the amanar. The article incorporating the interview states:-

     
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  11. BigB08822

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    So in other words she does not have an Amanar and this was all typical Russian strategy.
     
  12. Domshabfan

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    Here is a summary of interview with Valentina Rodionenko and Komova. Komova is coming out of an Injury and is apparently working on a 7.1 UB set.

    Here is Ksenia's thought on her amanar
    Clearly amanar isn't ready according to Ksenia ... we will see how she performs at the Europeans.
     
  13. danafan

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    This article from IG online makes it sound like she does have the Amanar ready:

     
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    That article and quote have to be going on his earlier comments. He has already admitted she isn't truly ready and she admitted it has only been done into a pit. Plenty of insane skills are done in pits and never competed.
     
  15. poths

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    Hannah fell from bars three times in the AA trying a new upgraded routine. She also had big trouble with her double Arabian. Her beam is still excellent, she's the reigning bronze medalist and Fellows has really poor start values. Its a no brained to send Hannah for Beam. British team selection is always horrific and I'm still pissed off that they had the neck to call 6th at Olympics a success. Cairns and Pinches had no business on that team ahead of Downie and Francis.
     
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    Podium training news

    Bulimar and Iordache looked really good, except for a fall from Diana Bullimar on Beam, she then did a really good set on beam.

    Grishina didn't look great, Pasenka was ok. Afanasyeva did a 3.5 twist on floor, but she apparently lacked energy according to reports. Afanasyeva attempted an amanar, but sat it down. Second attempt she landed and then sat it down, was much closer according Brigit McCarthy at thecouchgymnast
     
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    That Afan is training a 3 1/2 on floor and Amanar on vault just blows my mind. I feel like she shouldn't be able to do these upgrades, I am just floored with what a rockstar she is. I don't care if we never see them, but fact is she could've Pavlova'd her stay and now after her 2nd Olympics, she is now training the hardest stuff she's done on two events. That's just awesome and if she could Aly Raisman an AA medal at worlds that would make my year.
     
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    2013 European Artistic Gymnastics Championships - WAG Qualification

    AA Qualification

    1. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 57.198 Floor, Beam, Vault 1, Vault 2
    2. BULIMAR Diana Laura (ROU) - 56.132 Floor, Beam, Vault
    3. GRISHINA Anastasia (RUS) - 56.065
    4. MUSTAFINA Aliya (RUS) - 56.057
    5. POPA NEDELCU Roxana (ESP) - 55.065
    6. HARROLD Ruby (GBR) - 54.799
    7. MENEGHINI Elisa (ITA) - 54.782
    8. STEINGRUBER Giulia (SUI) - 54.732
    9. CAMPANA Giorgia (ITA) - 54.299
    10. MARTINS Ana Filipa (POR) - 53.099
    11. VARGAS Maria Paula (ESP) - 53.032
    12. BOCZOGO Dorina (HUN) - 52.732
    13. MAKRA Noemi (HUN) - 52.699
    14. FELLOWS Charlie (GBR) - 52.566
    15. van KLAVEREN Noel (NED) - 52.065 Floor, Beam, Uneven Bars, Vault
    16. HILL Lisa Katharina (GER) - 51.965
    17. KAESLIN Ilaria (SUI) - 51.499
    18. SIKULOVA Jana (CZE) - 51.132
    19. VASYLIEVA Olena (UKR) - 50.933
    20. ECKER Lisa (AUT) - 50.866
    21. GUSTAFSSON Ida (SWE) - 50.698
    22. AKYOL Cagla (GER) - 50.499
    23. KYSLA Angelina (UKR) - 50.432
    24. HAEMMERLE Elisa (AUT) - 50.365

    Vault Final Qualifiers

    1. STEINGRUBER Giulia (SUI) - 14.783
    2. PASEKA Maria (RUS) - 14.733
    3. van KLAVEREN Noel (NED) - 14.583
    4. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 14.399
    5. NEZER Ofir (ISR) - 14.216
    6. NETTEB Chantysha (NED) - 14.016
    7. BELAK Teja (SLO) - 13.799
    8. TKALCEC Tijana (CRO) - 13.783

    Uneven Bars Final Qualifiers

    1. MUSTAFINA, Aliya (RUS) - 15.025
    2. DOWNIE Rebecca (GBR) - 14.733
    3. SCHEDER Sophie (GER) - 14.700
    4. ADLERTEG Jonna (SWE) - 14.333
    5. HARROLD Ruby (GBR) - 14.133
    6. PASEKA Maria (RUS) - 14.100
    7. CAMPANA Giorgia (ITA) - 14.066
    = 7. GUSTAFSSON Ida (SWE) - 14.066

    Beam Final Qualifiers

    1. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 15.066
    2. BULIMAR Diana Laura (ROU) - 14.366
    3. FERLITO Carlotta (ITA) - 14.200
    4. MENEGHINI Elisa (ITA) - 14.033
    5. VASYLIEVA Olena (UKR) - 13.600
    6. JUPP Gabrielle (GBR) - 13.566
    7. JURKOWSKA Katarzyna (POL) - 13.500
    8. HARROLD Ruby (GBR) - 13.433

    Floor Final Qualifiers

    1. AFANASYEVA Ksenia (RUS) - 14.633
    2. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 14.400
    3. MUSTAFINA Aliya (RUS) - 14.300
    4. BULIMAR Diana Laura (ROU) - 14.233
    5. STEINGRUBER Giulia (SUI) - 13.933
    6. FERLITO Carlotta (ITA) - 13.800
    7. POPA NEDELCU Roxana (ESP) - 13.700
    8. SANKOVA Krystyna (UKR) - 13.666

    Musty - 2 falls + several wobbles on the beam. Hence, qualified 4th in the AA
     
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  19. poths

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    Jupp badly injured on the double ppike beam dismount, taken off on a stretcher.

    Charlie Fellows was a waste, yet again, Brits make insane selection decision leaving Whelan at home when she'd have made beam final with ease.

    Nice to see Harrold make a beam final, Brits need her to approach 14 to ever have a realistic shot at a world team medal.

    Afan must have fell from beam?

    Romanian bars are just a disaster, FFS

    Downey killed bars, I wonder can she make a few more upgrades for worlds?

    Vault was horrific :lol:

    The overall standard is quite poor, but, the Romanians and Russians are genuinely class gymnasts.

    Bulimar is leaving this joint with a bag of medals! :cheer:
     
  20. BigB08822

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    Didn't Grishina also have 2 falls? What a pathetic state European gymnastics is in when 3rd and 4th place finishers have not one but TWO falls.
     
  21. elka_sk8

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    Would love to see her do well, IMO B&B unfairly held her back at the Olympics.
     
  22. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    There has got to be someone in Romania who can teach bars. I know a lot of their coaches left, but given that there have been some decent bar workers like Sofronie and Petrovschi, at least a few coaches know what they're doing. You'd think B&B would try to bring those coaches in to work with the national team. Maybe their egos won't allow it.
     
  23. Maofan7

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    Until Romania sorts out its bars problems, it will never be competitive in team finals at Worlds and Olympics. They have already the started the process of restructuring. However, that always takes time. I think that there will have been an improvement by 2016, but the full results of the restructuring will not start to come through until the 2017-20 quad.

    This is a post Olympics Europeans, many gymnasts are missing through injury and for other reasons, there have been many retirements, and it will be some time before the new generation come through. Moreover, Europe's strongest powers, Romania and Russia are both engaged in long term restructuring.

    Russian gymnastics is still in the process of overcoming the financial problems that beset it during the 15 years running up to the 2008 Olympics, and the coaching exodus that accompanied it. They only really started to address these problems after the 2008 Olympics (which were a disaster), and it was envisaged that it would take 2-3 quads to fully turn the situation around. Despite the fact that it remains relatively early days, and the fact that they were extremely unlucky with injuries to their 2 main gymnasts (i.e. Mustafina and Komova), they were still able to take team Silver at the 2012 Olympics, and it was a massive improvement over 2008. In fact, had Mustafina and Komova not suffered major injuries (causing disruption to their training) in the run up to the 2012 Olympics, they could well have taken the team Gold (they did of course take the team Gold at the 2010 World Championships). Like Romania, I think there will be further consolidation during this quad, but that it will be the 2017-20 quad before Russia is back to its best. They will certainly want their gymnastics program properly back on track by 2020, as the country has plans to bid for and host a summer Olympics post 2020. That's why they are heavily investing in their summer Olympics sports, such as gymnastics.
     
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    I actually with the selectors in terms of leaving Whelan off the team - she was not fit, and hadn't earnt her place. I would have sent Rippin ahead of Fellows, because Rippin could have made vault finals considering the state of European vaulting... and more finals means more lottery money for gymnastics in the UK.
    However, the Olympic selection was brainless and scandalous - totally agree with you there.

    I'm gutted about Jupp. A gymnast's best years are always pre injury, and I was really hoping Gabby would get a decent run. She truly has AA potential.
    I really hope the injury isn't too serious, but it's not sounding good.
     
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    A 6.4 difficulty score for Afan on floor, I can't wait to see that. Overall this may be the weakest state I've ever seen Europe in as a whole. I'm really also kind of fed up with Grishina at this point, but we will see what happens in finals. It's nice to see Iordache doing well, those bars though yikes...

    I'm also really shocked at the state of the women's UB field this year, talk about a total 180 from last year. Would it be silly to consider Kyla Ross the favorite for the UB title at this point, because I mean wow.. I wonder if Anna Li is still training?
     
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    Russia's weakened state has nothing to do with having 2 falls placing you in the top 3/4. Thanks for the lesson on Russia but this reflects on the entire continent of Europe. Further, Russia was not winning team Gold with how USA hit. Even with their best it would have only been somewhat close.
     
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    That is something we will just have to agree to disagree about. As for the level of 'hits', tougher, closer, and more pressurized competition = greater mistakes and less consistency.

    VIDEOS UPDATED

    1. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 57.198 Floor, Beam, Vault 1, Vault 2
    2. BULIMAR Diana Laura (ROU) - 56.132 Floor, Beam, Vault
    3. GRISHINA Anastasia (RUS) - 56.065
    4. MUSTAFINA Aliya (RUS) - 56.057 Floor (3 mins in)
    5. POPA NEDELCU Roxana (ESP) - 55.065
    6. HARROLD Ruby (GBR) - 54.799
    7. MENEGHINI Elisa (ITA) - 54.782
    8. STEINGRUBER Giulia (SUI) - 54.732
    9. CAMPANA Giorgia (ITA) - 54.299
    10. MARTINS Ana Filipa (POR) - 53.099
    11. VARGAS Maria Paula (ESP) - 53.032
    12. BOCZOGO Dorina (HUN) - 52.732
    13. MAKRA Noemi (HUN) - 52.699
    14. FELLOWS Charlie (GBR) - 52.566
    15. van KLAVEREN Noel (NED) - 52.065 Floor, Beam, Uneven Bars, Vault
    16. HILL Lisa Katharina (GER) - 51.965
    17. KAESLIN Ilaria (SUI) - 51.499
    18. SIKULOVA Jana (CZE) - 51.132
    19. VASYLIEVA Olena (UKR) - 50.933
    20. ECKER Lisa (AUT) - 50.866
    21. GUSTAFSSON Ida (SWE) - 50.698
    22. AKYOL Cagla (GER) - 50.499
    23. KYSLA Angelina (UKR) - 50.432
    24. HAEMMERLE Elisa (AUT) - 50.365

    DID NOT QUALIFY

    AFANASYEVA Ksenia (RUS) Floor (6 mins 20 secs in)
     
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    Almost every American could do a fantastic amanar! Maybe Russia could've made up for it on beam and bars and bar but that was so unclear and didn't work out. It could've been done but the American amanars were like the best skill ever done by a group to a high standard-or one of. It's certainly in the top 5 or 10 of best execution of a hard skill ever.
     
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    Russia could make up ground on bars but the US girls owned beam and they always do so it isn't as if they got lucky there. Floor was rather evenly matched but the US team had the eventual gold medalist in their lineup. The US would have won vault (by a gigantic margin), beam and floor. Russia could not make that up on just bars. They needed more in their lineup and they didn't have it.

    I think a lot of people think about how beautiful and artistic Komova and Mustafina were/are but having the prettiest team isn't going to win you anything in this COP.
     
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    Before their injuries, Komova and Mustafina had Amanars! Add in Paseka - that's 3 Amanars.

    With a fully fit Komova and Mustafina without any previous injuries, the Russians would have dominated on beam and on the floor, as well as on the bars. At the time they were injured, they held the 2 highest total scores ever between them, were getting better and better, and would have almost certainly gone on to beat those scores given that gymnasts improve and upgrade the closer they get to the Olympics. However, after the injuries, they were shadow of their former selves and have never got anywhere near recovering their form of old.
     
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