Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by overedge, Mar 23, 2013.
That dress is hideous!
Does her stylist secretly openly hate her?
dowdy style and unflattering color aside, when she was publicizing her book, i thought it looked very unhealthy. and i've already said i think her skin looks old for 40. for someone who keeps telling other people how to eat, she's doing something wrong.
People keep going on about how great her body is but I think that just hows that our society equates all sorts of good things with being thin. Because she doesn't seem particularly healthy to me.
Her physique looks frail. She has some really good ideas about nutrition, but she also looks like she deprives herself as well.
I don't think her body is great either. When I think of a great female body in Hollywood, I think of Jessica Biel who is a big gym rat as I've heard.
Or in skating, Ashley Wagner. That girl is IN SHAPE!
She has gorgeous legs and carries herself well. Her smile is lovely and her hair is beautiful but frankly, anyone who can afford excellent stylists can have good hair unless there's something really wrong with them. Personally I think of her as the archtypical shiksa goddess per Phillip Roth, which is hilarious since her dad is Jewish, and she's somewhat boring to look at albeit pretty.
The one thing I will give her is that her singing voice is many notches better than i thought it would be, on Glee.
Gwyneth's body reminds me of my mother's. Which isn't good because my mom was diagnosed with full-blown osteoporosis in her early 50s. Being so thin and eschewing strength training really isn't so great....
LOVE muscles on women! Jessica Biel can GET IT! She even has visible back muscles and I was like, "YOU GO GIRL!"
Actually, most skaters do, by virtue of the sport, but it's rare to see a female celebrity with visible back muscles. I was so proud of myself when I could finally see mine, thanks to weightlifting.
Yes, weight lifting is the best in terms of efficiently changing your body AND the only known way to keep your bone density up (calcium supplements don't work and are harmful). Jessica Biel inspires me.
She is a lot more interesting to look at than Gwyneth IMO. Off to lift some weights! I want that back!
Thanks for the pic, IceAlisa - that'll keep me inspired for lifting some weights!
As for Gwyneth, I can't stand her. She must have a great publicist
stephen huvane reps both gwyneth and jennifer aniston and he's a magician. it's funny because i always thought they were 2 sides of the same coin and would be folding long and leans at the gap w/o nepotism to lean on.
They are? I've been taking calcium supplements for a while, and had Alf on them when he broke his wrist in two places - he had his cast off in only 5 weeks so I figured it must have been helping.
My body hasn't really changed (you'd have to overhaul your diet too), but the weightlifting definitely makes your body denser! My thighs don't squash as easily. And my head looks a little less ridiculously huge because my shoulders have a smidge more mass on them. Also, my waist looks smaller because I have muscles on my hips now.
I haven't gone to the gym in three weeks. It's going to be sad seeing how much less weight I can lift from last time.
I don't think Jessica uses the power rack like I do. She probably builds up muscle much more easily doing calisthenics. I have to work for what I got! I still don't look like I should be able to lift what I'm able to.
Thanks, IA. Now I don't have to feel guilty for not taking calcium, it screws up my stomach something awful. But I think I need some help learning strength training, my half-hearted efforts a few times a week on the Nautilus are probably not enough.
I also think the more muscled women are sexier than the bony girls like Gwynnie...I wanted Navka's body when she was skating.
I am sure we've discussed calcium supplements here at some point. Would you like to read the relevant study? It was a big one and IIRC made it to the NYT.
As to strength training, it may be worth it to get a few lessons first just so that you have good form and are not hurting yourself.
YouTube! I'm mostly doing squats and deadlifts on the power rack (I've only seen one other woman using it, so it's definitely a man's realm), and Crossfit coaches have exceedingly helpful tutorials on those. They put as much time and effort analyzing weightlifting form as we do skating routines.
But it's likely you aren't thinking of going all in like I have. YouTube is definitely helpful for whatever you want to do, anyway.
Also, I usually lift weights only once or twice a week. I have no idea how people can go full out every day, goddamn my tiny muscles need a rest!
Was it this article? http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/thinking-twice-about-calcium-supplements-2/
I'll probably still keep taking it. Absolutely no history of heart disease in my family, but osteoporosis is pretty much guaranteed. I'm not going to go down like my grandmother did. I want to be able to lift 200 lbs by my 30th birthday. Damn this probably means I need to get my ass to the gym more often.
It might be already too late for my mother, although I'm trying to talk her into doing something like yoga to improve her balance. Osteoporosis isn't usually dangerous by itself...until you take a spill!
It may have been. The study it mentions says:
So why keep taking it? Seems like there are risks and no benefits. Talk to your doctor about it though. And yes, keep lifting weights to avoid osteoporosis.
Because I have become obsessed lately with building up my bone density before I start losing it at 30. Hence the lifting-200lbs-by-30 goal. My cousin's in med school and he thinks there's absolutely nothing I can do to prevent it, because of my genetics. Which makes me and makes me want to go on the heavy weights more. I guess we'll just see when I'm my mother's age...
If she wasn't famous already, I doubt she would be asked to do anything involving singing. Her voice is pleasant but it certainly isn't professional singer quality.
(And I don't care if she had a hit song with Huey Lewis. That record should have been credited as a duet by Huey Lewis and AutoTune.)
Then you are better off getting your Ca++ from your diet and lifting weights. Again, talk to your doctor.
Interesting re: calcium. My cardiologist told me that taking the one 600 mg +D a day is fine. I don't take it 3 times a day as recommended on the label. And I have a genetic predisposition to build plaque. My Gyn had been on my case to take Fosamax or some generation of that. I can't due to stomach issues and lower mandible dental implants. Now with the information coming out about femur fractures caused by osteo bone builders, he has backed off. I have osteopina in my lower back and left hip. Due for a bone density scan, hopefully no change. But, I eat kale, power walk 3 miles a day lift weights and do Pilates 2 times a week. Having strong muscles supports the bones and makes them less fragile. And weight bearing exercise slows down bone loss. I have an echo/stress test on Monday, I think I'll ask my cardiologist about the calcium again, see if he's changed his mind. Keeping my fingers crossed that there is less fluid around my heart.
It's funny you all mention weight lifting since Gwyneth's trainer/business partner Tracy Anderson is against women lifting anything heavier than 3 pounds. Her idea of toning arms is to do 100 reps with 3 pound weights.
Yeah, well and look at Gwyneth. I have talked to someone who has an AMAZING body at 47. She told me to lift as much as I can. Tracy Anderson just doesn't want you to get too toned too fast lest you don't need her anymore.
I wonder how much Ashley Wagner lifts. I bet it's more than 3 lbs.
I use 2 ten lb. dumbbells and do 40 lbs. on a universal (type apparatus). Not sure what the weight equivalent is in Pilates resistance. But, my doctor has said that the best thing I can do for my bones is walk, walk, walk.
Exactly, I personally like doing circuits since it breaks up the monotony of a lot of the cardio machines. But there are a lot of trainers out there who are convinced that if any women lifts weights, they'd all look like Serena Williams.
I have to admit I don't do any cardio. I really should considering the amount of heart disease in my family but I hate it too much. Yeah, right, Serena Williams. I could never look like that no matter what I do.
Alf is obsessed with kale, so I eat that by association.
I saw that and I had to . You can see my arms in the pics I posted in the wedding thread. They are not bulky in the least - they are pretty damn toned!
That's from doing 50-lb overhead presses. (Squats and deadlifts will work your arms too, for sure!) I should be doing 100+ lbs overhead presses considering my lifting regimen, but my arms are weak. My friend who can do 200-lb deadlifts can only muster 50-lb overhead presses too, so it must be a female thing even if we're generally pretty strong.
There was an NYTimes article that said jump roping seemed to be most helpful for pelvic bone density, which makes sense. It seems that whatever gets the most resistance or microdamage from physical activity, gets the most bone-building.
Well, my enjoyment of weightlifting is not only from the bone density thing, but also from my parents, who are also very skinny, telling me all my life that I am weak weak weak and unable to do anything by myself. Instead of doing drugs to act out, I weightlift. My mother doesn't believe I can lift 120 lbs. I bet my dad would still yell at me if I tried to lift a 20-lb bag of fertilizer.
Here's Tracy and Gwyneth working out btw. I had to laugh at the part about starving because, isn't she doing that anyway?
Anita, got any good kale recipes? All I know is garlic and olive oil.
As to jumping rope--what about your joints? Knees, hips? Not to mention your face (premature aging, anyone?). No high impact exercise for me.
I would call this a waste of time. Ideally, I'd keep lifting weights and increase the weight and do cardio. But I hate cardio sooooooooo much. Ugh.
I like Reformer/Jump board in Pilates. You get the benefit of jumping, but not the jarring. I honestly cannot say enough about how much Pilates has improved my lower back. I have had lumbar pain for years. Two months of pilates twice a week has basically given me a new spine.
But wouldn't you believe, Gwyneth is now allowing us peasants the opportunity to have her body by opening up a chain of Tracy Anderson studios. For just 900/month, you too can experience Gwyneth's workout regime.
a kale shake in the morning is super easy. i dont ever wake up hungry and would never eat breakfast but i can manage a shake.
No, thank you. I don't want to look like that. Now if Ashley shares her off-ice workout routine, she'd have my attention.
What's in the kale shake, mlp?
They both have the kind of cockroach-type body I have (wide torso, no hips, skinny limbs), which I am trying to change. Is that supposed to be the body du jour nowadays? I hang out online with a bunch of dudes, and they still all prefer the curves. -shrug-
Garlic and olive is what we usually do too. My friend sent me this, but I'm not sure if it's all that healthy compared to kale by itself.
In the same vein as jumping rope, running is tremendously bad for joints too, if you do it on the wrong surface. Dirt is great, concrete is horrible. So I think jumping lightly on grass or dirt would be a lot healthier than concrete. Not sure if swinging that rope would be impossible on grass, but yeah. They weren't recommending like, 30 minutes of jumping rope. Even the best athlete has a tough time with that! The article mentions they did the study with mice that hopped only 20-40 times a week. Not much at all. Most people could achieve that in less than a minute. I think your skin collagen would survive.
I hate cardio too, but I don't have history of heart disease. The weightlifting increases my heart rate (although not 20 minutes continuously), and I do walk a lot.
it varies depending on what i have on hand. generally there is kale, parsley, cucumber, lemon, ginger and apple. but i improvise based on what i have. i am frequently without cucumber. i have the opposite of a sweet tooth. a lot of people prefer something sweeter so adding another fruit or substituting a fruit for the cucumber or even a little juice would work for them. sometimes i use fresh kale sometimes but i like the consistency i get with frozen kale.
i've also found that if i add some kale to my blueberry and coconut milk smoothie. the color is gross but you have to add a lot of kale to change the taste.
So she's an idiot. Though the fact that she's so proud of Gwyneth's body already caused me to suspect that.
When I was doing strength training, I could deadlift 145 pounds and overhead press 45. And I only weighed 112. I thought that was pretty good. I had to stop before I could really progress though.
I have a lot of issues with that calcium study btw. I don't think it really proved that calcium supplements are harmful and most of the reason that they seem to be ineffective is that people are taking the wrong kind and not taking it properly (like too much at once). Osteoporosis runs in my family and I have medical issues that put me particularly at risk for it so I'm not going to stop taking them based on one study, let alone one study I have issues with.
OTOH I think it's silly to take supplements for no reason if your labs or medical history doesn't show you need them. So I don't think all women should be running around taking calcium if they don't have a medical reason to *and* they are getting adequate calcium in their diet. OTOH, many of us *aren't* getting adequate calcium in our diets AND many of us do have medical reasons to be concerned about whether we're getting enough calcium or to indicate we may need more calcium than average.
:highfive: Anyone can lift that much if they worked toward it even a little bit. (Cause I mean, I only go once a week at best, and can squat more than my body weight and I started out using a broomstick, sooo...) It's just that most women think they'll get like Arnold if they lift like the guys do. We won't. We can't, without a lot of unnatural help.
Why did you have to stop?
It's not just one one, MacMadame. I was able to found quite a few on just a cursory search. However, as usual, do what your doctor recommends.
Impressive weightlifting numbers!!
Head injury. I couldn't even listen to loud music for a while. Now I can swim, which isn't weight bearing at all. But I think I can start doing light strength training again as long as I don't go all Crossfit/met-con.
That Gwynth work out is designed to keep a pencil thin body. When I walked like crazy (high reps / low weight bearing) people would make fun of my string bean chicken legs. Weight training does bulk me up more but I generally have a better body shape with it.
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