Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vash01, Feb 23, 2012.
Who is the greatest singles male skater from North America?
Dick Button for his competitive career (2 olympic golds, 5 world titles, 7 time US champion ) and technical innovation: he was the first to land the double axel, the first to land a triple jump (triple loop) and the first to do a flying camel
OOPS! I left out Jeff Buttle. Can the admin correct the mistake and add his name?
He is weaker than everyone you included on the poll anyway, other than possibly Wylie. You definitely made a good poll.
I pick Dick Button since he was so far ahead of his time, and also for his other contributions to skating.
You also left out Michelle Kwan. Now that is a much bigger mistake, as a much stronger contender she would have most likely have won the poll!
Kurt for me!
I'd probably include Toller Cranston before a couple of these guys.
Between Browning and Button for me.
You are absolutely right. I should have included Toller Cranston. Even though he did not win a world or Olympic gold, his impact on the sport/art has been phenomenal.
Cranstons legacy on the sport >>>>> Lysacek or Eldredges impact on the sport, that is for sure.
Kurt... wait this is totally dejavous, didn't I do this last year?
Without hesitation THE amazing Kurt Browning !
Ditto Kurt for me!
Dick Button, but I´ll vote for Kurt Browning!!!
I voted for Browning but I think that Chan can beat him in achievements.
Dick Button :respect:.
Dick Button, IMO.
Ok, who's the other freak who voted David Jenkins!? I think it's time for us Jenkins ubers to come out of the closet!
Browning: 4 world titles and a long & successful pro career
Chan: 1 world title and a lot to look forward to, but it hasn't happened yet.
It's too early to say Chan will beat Kurt in achievements. The odds are in his favor, but unexpected things happen.
^ exactly, and browning of all people is the proof inthe pudding! Whoever would have thought in 91 "not only will Kurt not win an ogm, but he won't even make the podium!"
A list without Jeremy Abbott, Jeffrey Buttle, and Matt Savoie is just incomplete and wrong I think. For sure, I would have them as being impactful to the sport, much more so than Evan Lysacek, Elvis Stojko, and Todd Eldredge.
Medals alone do not create impact or a legacy, IMO. For me, the emotions you stir in the viewer and artistic images you create for your audience and etch in their minds and souls are more impactful. Jeremy, Jeff, and Matt consistently do/did this for me. Besides, in terms of medal haul, Buttle's resume is more impressive than Eldredge's. Buttle is an Olympic medalist and like Todd, he has 1 World title too.
Elvis's longevity, competitive vigour and record (first quad combo, first 4-3) means he deserves to be on this list, without a doubt. I would rather watch the skaters you list, but I think he's earned his spot.
For all the hate Chan gets around here.. cool to see him in 3rd place so far.
I chose Lysacek, because he is my favourite and because he has the necessary merits/titles (OG, WC, GPF and Nationals). Button has more titles than the rest, but I disliked men´s skating before John Curry, LOL.
Buttle (and not Eldredge) should have been on the poll, because besides being a WC, he also won an Olympic medal.
Oh I totally agree with you, that's why I never said Chan will beat but only Chan can beat Browning. Chan in terms of skills already is a better skater than Browning IMO but Chan still has to prove himself in a couple other areas and sure, only time will tell.
Stojko's ubers must have all died off ...
... or watched their old VHS tapes with fresh eyes.
Jeff Buttle was an oversight on my part (Toller Cranston even more so); I am not perfect, and will eat a humble pie on that.
I have disagree with you about Abbott and Savoie even though I love their skating. It's not all about medals, but you can't completely ignore the medals either. Competing well under pressure, at worlds/Olympics matters. Savoie was clearly undermarked when he was competing because he never got the full benefit of the COP. Neither of these two won a world medal (I am hoping Jeremy will win at least a bronze this year). I do believe that in order to have an actual impact on the sport a skater needs a medal at the world/Olympic level. Sort of like Yuka Sato- without the 94 world title she may not have gotten as much notice as she did as a pro. We always knew she had great basic skating skills, but without the title she might have been an also ran in the pro circuit. Without the 1981 world title, Denise Biellman might have been remembered as that skater with an amazing spin.That's just how I see it.
Jeff Buttle and Toller Cranston should be definitely included in the vote. Is there any way to restart the voting process with theses names in?
Yes Yes! Restart restart! Put Michelle Kwan in too! Sorry I couldn't resist...
for a second time...
So I decided to write something that was actually meaningful this time...
This is a very difficult poll, I honestly don't see any one skater that is greater than the rest (Much easier with European one, or the NA ladies), which is why I requested Michelle Kwan She would have my vote
Dick Button. Kurt was very good but even if you liked his skating better... There is much more than just his legendary competitive skating career going for Dick Button. He's probably the best NA skater of all-time in any discipline, period.
Was Toller left off the list b/c his skating surpasses that of a mere mortal?
ITA with you as well Karpenko! Dick Button all the way.
Is Evan on the list b/c he won Olympic gold and a World championship? Clearly Johnny Weir at his best was superior to Evan artistically, stylistically, inspiration-wise. Obviously, there are names missing from this list. I'd include Charlie Tickner and even Rudy Galindo before Evan Lysacek. Olympic gold, while reputable and everlasting, is not the ultimate measure of greatness. Evan is and will always be known as a great and fierce competitor, but not in my humble estimation, one of the greatest NA singles men skaters.
ITA with museksk8r as well, re Jeremy, Jeffrey, and Matt!
I love SO many guys on this list (Todd, Paul, Kurt, Brian O. in particular), but I had to go with "Uncle Dickie!" Re: Todd & Kurt - it's a shame that neither has an Olympic medal, but I still think they're both wonderful. I would love to see Matt Savoie included in this list, too.
Don't forget he was also European Champion
For me it would have to be Toller, I enjoy watching him the most.
^^This. All the way.
I wouldn't have put Lysacek on here either. His skating pretty much bores me and he doesn't really have the artistic or athletic ability to stand up to the likes of Chan, Abbott, or many others on this list. That and he was part of a lull in men's skating with the ultimately short-lived and failed anti-quad movement.
Jeff Buttle was the best skater at Worlds 2008, winning both short and long program, even scoring alot more points than second place Brian Joubert. Jeff landed every jump cleanly and his artistry was amazing.
I'm surprised that Boitano doesn't have more votes. I didn't vote for him but there was a time...during the height of his pro career...that people talked about him like he was the second coming.
I voted for Uncle Dick. Not only the amazing competitive record (see above), the technical breakthrews (invented flying camel, first male to perform a camel spin, first 2axel, first triple, and a triple LOOP at that), but think about how many skaters were impacted by his commentating all these years?
For example, is it really any wonder why the American ladies have had the best layback and spiral positions?
Not to mention what he did for professional skating when there were no other opportunities.
I could go on and on...
He probably would have gotten alot more votes if it were 20 years ago. Once Browning fully matured artistically starting in 93 he seemed to be a better skater than Boitano though, and now we have Chan's emergence.
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