Great Skaters that Never Qualified for Nationals

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  1. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    Sophia Adams (SWP) definitely comes to mind. She is a fantastic skater. Gorgeous body line and posture. Great spinner and she is a good jumper when she's on too. Unfortunately, consistency has cost her a chance to compete at Nationals. Who are some others?
  2. Cheylana

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    Tashe Smith on the West Coast comes to mind.
  3. leafygreens

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    Katherine Healy. Suzanne MacDonald.
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    Maybe this is just me but if they can't get to Nationals, then are they really great skaters?
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  5. Debbie S

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    Depends on your definition of "great skaters". ;) There are always the "beautiful skaters who can't jump" or skaters who are great when they're on, but are inconsistent. There are also skaters who are very good but have the misfortune of being in a crowded section (like Jeremy Abbott and Braden Overett in '06).
  6. bardtoob

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    Do you mean specifically Sr. Nationals?
  7. Sylvia

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    Suzanne McDonald (SC of New York) qualified for U.S. Nationals once -- as a Senior in 2004 (ETA: she placed 18th and was listed as "Suzy" in the official results).

    I remember when Kayla Howey's name came up last season as someone who had consistently "come close" to qualifying for U.S. Nationals as a novice and junior but hadn't due to the depth/competitiveness of her regional and sectional. Well, she finally made it to Nationals as a Senior in 2010! :)
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  8. Polymer Bob

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    I was wondering about that myself. :huh:
  9. orbitz

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    ...and the majority of skaters that do make it to Nationals are indeed very good skaters in their own rights, but only an extremely rare few can be labeled as "great".

    Also, skaters that don't make it to Nationals are too obscure for a large section of skating fans to know them about anyway.
  10. Jenna

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    Well, I competed against a lot of skaters in my day that I considered great. If you can land a triple jump, to me, that is certainly something to ride home about. Also, passing a senior free skate test is a fantastic achievement. Many skaters (most actually) work hard for decades to be able to have the chance to compete at the National Championships. The vast majority do not achieve this goal. However, as a skating mom myself, I see the blood, sweat, and tears that these young athletes pour into their sport for a slim chance at making it bigtime. So, in summary, I think there are also many "great" skaters that never qualified for nationals. JMO.
  11. leafygreens

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    Oh ok. I saw her, it must have been 2003, skating an exhibition at Rockefeller Center with the Ice Theatre. They announced her as an "apprentice" who was "first alternate to the U.S. Nationals." I guess that means she got 5th place at sectionals. So she must have gotten to Nationals the following year. I just remember her being a very elegant skater, as pretty much all Ice Theatre skaters are. I was surprised that at her level, she was "only" an apprentice, because she looked really good.
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    Umm... IMHO, they very well could be GREAT skaters if they are from a country with a rela history/depth in figure skating like the US, Japan, Russia, etc. Not meaning to offend anyone, but such skaters are very likely better than many that make it Nationals in countries with less competitors -
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    I was just thinking--is there going to be another thread, "Terrible Skaters Who Never Qualified for Nationals"? I wonder if there were very many of those? ;)
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    Or "Terrible Skaters Who Did Qualify for Nationals" would be entertaining.
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  15. pinky166

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    Michaelee Scarincio.Well, this girl DID qualify for nationals, but the last time she went was in 2007 where she finished 10th in junior ladies, which was disappointing because many thought she had a shot at a medal. Since 2007 she's been hampered with a lot of injuries likely due to a big growthspurt and has recently given up competitive skating altogether, but she really was a very lovely skater back in the 05-06 and 06-07 seasons. What was really special about this skater was her ballet training, in addition to all the skating she took ballet lessons (at Ballet Regeant and then later Boston Ballet - not rink ballet classes) almost every day, and it's clearly visible in her skating. Her speed and super long legs also made her skating appear very elegant.

    Here are some videos of Michaelee from 06-07:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpAQFsMYVBY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s9v6nExHgY&feature=related

    Not the best jump technique and she didn't have all the triples yet, but I still find her a beautiful skater.
  16. Jenna

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    Oh yes. Who could forget Michaelee? She was great. It's too bad her string of injuries hampered her career. I think she could've been very successful on the senior level.
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    There's a big difference between "beautiful" and "great." At least in my book.
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    How about Diane Deleuw (sp)- 1975 world champion who never made it out of southwest pacifics, or Susan Driano (forget which year in 1970's ) world bronze medalist who never made it out of Pacific Coast?
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    Having seen utube performances of Dianne's 75 LP and at the World Pros, I definitely would not qualify her as a "great" skater.
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    If an Olympic silver medalist and World Champion (regardless how she got those awards) is not a "great" skater then nobody who never qualified to even skate at Senior Nationals is.
  21. Jenna

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    :huh: World Champion is pretty much the pinnacle of the sport. If that isn't "great," then I don't know what is.
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    :huh: Why is Dianne de Leeuw even being discussed? She was 6 TIME DUTCH NATIONAL CHAMPION, 1 TIME EUROPEAN CHAMPION, 1 TIME WORLD CHAMPION, AND AN OLYMPIC SILVER MEDALIST.
  23. Sylvia

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    Because she competed in the U.S. originally (ETA: I'm assuming she never made it to U.S. Nationals, based on Emmett's post): http://figureskating.about.com/od/profilesoffamousskaters/p/deleeuw.htm

    Trivia: de Leuuw (with Doug Chapman) currently coaches and up-and-coming U.S. Senior lady Vanessa Lam.
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  24. bardtoob

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    Errr . . . she still made it to multiple Nationals, and, yeah, she was the original country jumper and it used to drive USFSA nuts.
  25. Jenna

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    Multiple Dutch nationals...
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    What's wrong with just saying that DeLeeuw was a very good skater, which all World Champions were/are? If you want to apply the "great" label to her then what made her great?
  27. Jenna

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    For the purposes of this thread, I consider Diane to be "great." Afterall, the thread title is "Great Skaters that Never Qualified for Nationals." Diane never qualified for nationals in the US, but she switched to the Netherlands and became world champion. In my opinion, every skater that has won worlds is "great;" de Leeuw, Ando, Asada, Kim, Meissner, etc.
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    Oh I agree about Sophia. Every year I hope this is the year she gets it together in competition and makes nationals! She is lovely to watch and really can jump. Just never when it counts I guess.
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    She was both though! She was landing 3-3s before she got injured! And a friend of mine took ballet with her and said she was a very gifted dancer as well.
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    AND?
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    Well if we are going at this from that angle, Ksenia Makarova and Kate Charbonneau both used to skate for the US and AFAIK neither qualified for US nationals (Kate never made it out of sectionals and Ksenia went to junior nationals but not actual nationals i don't think).
  33. Jenna

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    We are discussing US Nationals. De Leeuw was the 6 time Dutch champion and world champion but as the thread title states she can be considered "a great skater that never qualified for [US] Nationals." Perhaps the thread title could be ammended to reflect that.
  34. Sylvia

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    Charbonneau did win a pewter medal at the Intermediate level (at 2006 U.S. "Junior" Nationals in December 2005) but her last U.S. qualifying competition was 2008 Midwestern Sectionals in November 2007 (she finished 9th in Junior). Charbonneau definitely had the talent to qualify for U.S. Nationals and is a very good example of someone who faced deep and competitive fields at her regional (UGL) and sectional (Mids) at the novice and junior levels.

    Makarova qualified for 2007 U.S. Nationals at the Novice level and placed 7th -- link to her bio at that Nationals: http://spokane2007.usfigureskating.org/Athletes/Novice/~/media/6A0E388ABAC2426F91F9CFD1FBBCA31E.ashx
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  35. pinky166

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    Yeah but Junior Nationals is a baby competition and has one less round of qualifying than (novice-senior) nationals because there are no sectionals at the intermediate levels and below.
  36. Sylvia

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    Qualifying for U.S. "Junior" Nationals at the Intermediate level from Regionals can be quite challenging for female singles skaters due to the sheer number of competitors, and the Upper Great Lakes region (Charbonneau's) is usually one of the deepest and most competitive regions year after year. The year Charbonneau qualified, there were 3 rounds to skate at UGL Regionals with 94 Intermediate ladies competing in 6 qualifying groups, with the top 4 in each group (24 total) advancing to one of the 2 SP qualifying groups and 18 advancing to the final FS. (ETA: Charbonneau actually finished 5th at UGL Regionals that year and was fortunate that the percentage system was in place so that she qualified for JN's.) Then there is the FS qualifying round at JN's that cuts the 42 Intermediate ladies to 18 for the SP and FS. Not easy! ;)
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  37. pinky166

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    All valid points but qualifying for the US nationals is even more difficult, maybe not in terms of the numbers, but certainly in terms of the skills one must have mastered to get there....it's a lot harder to land triples than it is to land doubles.
  38. Sylvia

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    I have observed over the years that there often isn't much difference, jump content-wise, between the Novice and top Intermediate ladies that qualify for Nationals at these 2 levels. Novice ladies have qualified for Nationals with just 1 type of triple in their repertoire. Felicia Zhang, in fact, was good enough in overall skating skills to win the Novice national bronze medal in 2008 with no triple attempts! :) Sorry for going off-topic!
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    Novice, Jr, Sr?

    Furthermore, it still makes no sense to discuss a skater that intended to competed for another country in a thread that was intended to imply US Nationals. It's absurd.

    . . . wait, wait . . . Fumie Suguri learned to skate and competed in Alaska but never qualified for Nationals.

    . . . wait, wait . . . Patrick Chan trained in the US and competed at Liberty but never qualified for Nationals.

    I understood full well that this thread implied Sr. US Nationals and had no problem with it until Emmett introduced "Diane Deleuw" :rolleyes: as if it was a gaping hole in her resume that she never qualified for US Nationals when she was not even trying to qualify. I can't imagine that she ever cared since she beat the US National Champion at a more important competition. Furthermore, maybe her family though it would be less expensive and they did not think she would have had a shot in hell of being judged for the actual quality of her skating at US Nationals since she did not have the right coach. Maybe it was because her Grandfather wanted her to be the next Sjoukje Dijkstra.

    She very likely would not have been able to compete in two Olympics if she did not compete for the Netherlands.
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  40. Jenna

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    You're right, Sylvia. Kiri Baga won 09 Nationals as a novice with 4 triples. Katarina Kulgeyko (Intermediate Champ. 09) did 2. Lauren Dinh (Intermediate Bronze 09) actually did 3. This year was a bit different though. Leah Keiser had 5 triples, including a lutz! She really could have been junior...she would have medalled. :lol:
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