Grand Prix Assignments - 2013/14 Olympic Season

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  1. pinky166

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    No, Max is definitely more of a threat to Evan than Jason, but what I'm saying is, there's already a good chance Max beats Evan at SA, so given that, should the 3rd entrant also beat Evan, then that's really bad news for Lysacek. Having Max on the roster probably makes any Evan promoter more wary of having a strong 3rd entrant there, because if Evan underperforms and Jason delivers, then there is a good chance Jason comes out on top, given how he can rack up the GOE and pull points out of nowhere.
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  3. AJ Skatefan

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    Actually last year Zhang wasn't at SA. It was Wagner, Gao, and Flatt.
  4. olympic

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    I see that Denney / Frazier are ranked #21 in the World Standings. Since they only have one GP assignment (NHK), does anyone feel that they would have a great shot to be a substitute for a 2nd assignment? They're newbie Seniors, so I don't think many foreign Federations would think of them as 'threats' to screw up the rankings at any given GP competition. Also, where exactly are Davis / Brubaker in the context of substitutions? Thanks
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    If last year's selections are any indication, (return) split couples Davis/Brubaker and Takahashi/Kihana will get the first two, assuming they aren't already there, they're aren't already three from their Fed, etc. The way the announcement is written, they could be in the first group of five and anyone else in the group could be picked over them.
  6. olympic

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    Thanks.

    Is this in reference to D/F?
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    No, that was in relation to the split.couples D/B and T/K. Technically, the way the announcement is written (since last season), all replacement groups are put in groups of five, starting with return and split couples, then Top 24 SB, then 25-75 SB, then winners of the first five or sic senior B's. In practice thast year, the two split couples, both from the US, were the first replacments for Marley/Brubaker's two spots, but that could have been to swap US skaters with US skaters and/or optional.
  8. Jenifer

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    Takahashi and Kihara already have two assignments (COR and NHK). Purich and Tran only have one though.
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    :duh: Of course: Takahashi/Kihara got their second a few weeks ago, not her former partner and his new one.

    ETA: I wouldn't say Denney/ Frasier have a great shot at getting a second. I don't think that there will be the splits we had this year, an Olympic year, and while injuries can happen, I don't foresee mass substitutions like last season.
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  10. olympic

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    OK. I was thinking that little muscle pulls, sore joints causes extra caution in an Olympic season, creating more situations for withdrawals. Thanks for the insight
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    It's possible that skaters will be more cautious, but aside from the very top teams, who could try to avoid making GPF so that they don't have to travel to Japan, they all need feedback on their programs. There aren't that many pairs outside N/A for whom their Nationals are make or break for the Olympic team; many Euro OC's require a certain minimum placement at Euros, and they'd skip Nationals to heal a nagging injury. There's also a propensity for late withdrawals that aren't replaced. The early ones tend to be for splits and couples.that are I'll.injured at the start of the season, or who like the Wendes took off a non-Olympic season for personal/family issues.

    The best case scenario for D/F, assuming hosts will ignore the clause about giving Top 24 SB a second in ranking order, is that D/B and P/T are put in the groups of five instead of being chosen off the top, and that D/F are chosen quickly, as a possibl swap if another US team.is injured or not recovered in tme from surgery. Still, D/B are more likely to be first in line, given USFS support of Brubaker.
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  14. TanithandBenFan

    TanithandBenFan U.S. Ice Dance Junkie

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    USFSA just posted on Facebook that Hubbell/Donohue got the last SA dance spot.

    :wuzrobbed for Lynn and Logan.
  15. toddlj

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    As much as I love Lynn and Logan, I think it's clear that there are only four teams in contention for Olympic and Worlds spots this year, and that USFSA is trying to get those four teams as much exposure as possible. Sadly, it would appear that Lynn and Logan aren't one of those four teams.

    (I still hope they can kick butt and get in the mix.)
  16. Tesla

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    I'm actually happy about this. :shuffle: I love H/D and hope they go to the Olympics.
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  17. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    I'm thrilled as well. I adore H/D and am so happy to see them with a second GP. I hope they make the Olympic team as well.
  18. blancanieves

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    I am too! I'm rooting for them. Nationals is going to be so heartbreaking for whoever comes in 4th. I'm happy that they can enjoy this vote of confidence today.
  19. jlai

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    While we are at it I wonder what ppl think Hicks' strategy is regarding moving up. Her chance of getting a gp is not good, thoughif she beats Gold or Agnes in Slc in Sept, USFs may take note. What are her chances of getting another assignment, gp or otherwise?
  20. hanca

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    she can do a few B competitions and get some points so that she gets high season best and next year she gets GP event.
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  21. jlai

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    I dont think seasons bests from sr Bs count?
    I suspect there is something in the line for Hicks or she wouldnt move up; at first we thought she would get SA but that isnt it
  22. hanca

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    I don't know if it counts. I thought it did because how else the skaters that don't have GP (skaters from countries that don't have very strong skating program) push through and get invited to GP? there must be a way how to get in. Or at least it earns points towards the ISU point ranking, if that is good for something...
  23. kwanfan1818

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    The only senior B that counts towards the SB list is Nebelhorn in the years it is the Olympic qualifier, and Cain has been assigned, with Baga and Lam the substitutes. Hicks is currently over 500 points away from Top 24. I don't see more than a few being removed from the list altogether, and even with a good placement at 4C's if she makes it -- the top US Ladies are unlikely to go to Taipei two weeks before Sochi -- it will be close. On the other hand, 4C's may be her best chance to earn SB points; I think the Olympic team is a long-shot unless everyone else wipes out under pressure. (I doubt USFS would be as savvy as the Russian Fed and send a "B" team skater to WTT, like Russia did with Monko/Khaliavin, to get her a SB.)
  24. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    If Hicks skates well/medals in SLC then she could get a second Senior B like Max Aaron did last year. Hicks has an automatic bye to 2014 U.S. Nationals so sending her, for example, to Ice Challenge, which conflicts with Sectionals in November, would not be an issue.
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  25. olympic

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    I actually prefer H/D to S/S and C/B, but like K/GS just as much, so I'm torn. Are there any Senior B's out there for Ice Dance?
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    A couple of pages worth, if USFS will send them.
  27. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    See the U.S. Ice Dance news thread in GSD - I've listed which teams have Senior B assignments so far (4 teams in Salt Lake, 1 each at Nebelhorn, Nepela, and Finlandia) with Ice Challenge still TBA.
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  28. Conga

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    I like H/D and expected the SA assignment for them when K/G-S didn't get it before Champs Camp. This lack of confidence vote for K/G-S, though, could be so discouraging that they quit before Nationals (I believe others have done it) and I do hope that doesn't happen. I like them and was hoping that they would skate beyond the Olympics to see what Igor would do with them with more time.
  29. TanithandBenFan

    TanithandBenFan U.S. Ice Dance Junkie

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    They're not quitting. Here's a snippet of something Logan posted on my Facebook yesterday in response to my disappointment that they didn't receive the spot (my FB is public so hope he doesn't mind me sharing here):

    Looking forward to seeing them in SLC!
  30. Conga

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    Thanks for sharing that information, TanithandBenFan. He's right, too, about never knowing...there are many examples of the unexpected happening :D
  31. leapfrogonice

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    When will Russia announce their TBA Dance slot for Cup of Russia? Can't be long now, as there is usually a certain number of days prior to an event limit that a decision at least (if not an announcement) needs to be made. Given how Russia hosts their National championships in December (relatively close to the Grand Prix series) and Cup of Russia is a later event, I imagine this would be an important opportunity for the teams vying for that last GP slot.
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    In the past few years, the TBA's have been announced by the very beginning of September, with the exception of France, hich until last season waited for an internal competition. The GP rosters are usually updated on Mondays (Switzerland time) if there are any changes, so tomorrow would be a good time to look.
  33. DobrinFan

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    Russia's TBD spots goes to Gachinsky, Monko/K, Stolbova/Klimov, & Gosviani.
  34. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Remaining TBAs added on ISU site as of Sept. 2:

    Rippon (SA), Besseghier (TEB), Gachinski (RC): http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=4671

    Cesario (SA), Bingwa Geng (CoC), Gosviani (RC): http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=4670

    Zhang/Bartholomay (SA), Xuehan Wang/Lei Wang (CoC), Popova/Massot (TEB), Stolbova/Klimov (RC): http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=4669

    Hubbell/Donohue (SA), Yiyi Zhang/Nan Wu (CoC), Papadakis/Cizeron (TEB), Monko/Khaliavin (RC): http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=4668

    First withdrawal/crossed out name: Yretha SILETE FRA (TEB) :(
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  35. analia

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    Does France have another senior lady skater?
  36. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Lena MARROCCO is currently entered in the JGP in Gdansk, Poland, and could be switched to TEB.
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    French national champion Anais Ventard or Candice Didier are the only eligible ones that come to mind. I highly doubt that they get the spot.
    They are both on the roster for the Masters next month. Ventard is supposed to do a Senior B (forgot which one). She is such a beautiful skater and the Bercy crowd would love her. Hopefully, her time will come.
    I thought that Didier retired but she is on the roster, so she may have decided to go for another season.

    Marrocco is listed for 2 JGP. She skated a 5 triple , 2A junior LP and a clean SP last month in Lyon. I guess that the strategy is to put her in the junior circuit this year.
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  38. Frau Muller

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    I'm wondering if Laurine Lecavalier may be able to skate senior-level programs? Like Marrocco, she is assigned to the JrGP circuit now but, I think, is old enough to compete in Srs (16 or 17). She has so much 'star quality' and energy - wonderful if and when she lands her jumps. She's my favorite among ALL French singles ladies currently competing.
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    Don't the Federations need to submit "Junior" and "Senior" lists with no overlap (now that Pairs can't do both), and isn't it not allowed for someone on the "Junior" list to be moved to a GP? Or is there an exception for host spots, especially if the skater hasn't already competed already this season in JGP?
  40. Jeschke

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    does anyone know, what's wrong with silethe? still injured, again injured, not in form? sad for her.

    i think we see once more lena marrocco bouncing in the grand prix series.