Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Jun 3, 2013.
Maybe Hicks will get that 2nd spot?
Yep. National federations always have to ok entries to any international competitions (non-ISU and adult ones as well).
Apparently Leonova is out of NHK. Too late for a replacement sadly.
oh no, do we have any details?
after her withdrawal form skate canada she mentioned it was due to a minor injury and should be okay little later. something more serious or just not in competitive shape?
Not necessarily too late for a replacement. It's > 7 and < 14 days before the Team Leaders Meeting for NHK a week from Thursday. The GP Announcement says nothing about this period. It would be too late for CoC.
If there is a replacement, Kexin ZHANG would be the most likely, being close by.
I just checked the ISU documents: the last Ladies grid is dated 21 October and the last website roster is dated 17 October. Leonova is on both, at least at this moment. If her withdrawal isn't official by Thursday, then it will be within 7 days and the ISU can waive a replacement.
And because it doesn't, the organisers will surely interpret it in their favour. ;P
But yeah since there's no official update yet, that point is moot anyway. Maybe they asked her to not submit her replacement until 7 days before.
(Or maybe the poster who said she's out was wrong )
But the Japanese fans do LOVE their figure skaters-- I can imagine disappointment if all of the rosters aren't full. I bet they make the effort to fill the spot.
I don't have all of the printouts, and some of my dates may be the first printout I have with evidence of a withdrawal or replacement, but from what I have in the last two years:
Of the skaters who withdrew between 8 and 13 days before the Team Leaders Meeting, last year:
*In Pairs, two were not replaced, and one was. One pair withdrew more than 14 days of the TLM, but wasn't replaced, but last year was desperate for Pairs, and at some point, they ran out of eligible substitutes. It wasn't until Scimeca/Knierem won one of the Senior B's that they had an eligible replacement, and they replaced Yankowskas/Reagan (who had replaced Marley/Brubaker) at NHK.
*In Ladies, Czisny was not replaced at NHK.
This year, China made two replacements at the 10-day mark, one host replacement (Guo for Geng) and then Korobeynikova for Gosviana).
With the exception of one pair last season, all of the 14-day or earlier withdrawals were replaced, and none of the 7-day or later withdrawals were replaced.
Wait, didn't Nagasu replace Czisny at NHK last year?
No, Nagasu replaced someone else, I recall (Shelepen?).
Romain Ponsart's name has been crossed out from TEB in the 10/29 update: http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=4862
ETA link to a translation of Ponsart's injury status from earlier this month: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...ca-announced&p=4025864&viewfull=1#post4025864
It was Shelepen, who was replaced by Nagasu on the 12 November GP grid. Czisny was crossed out on the 14 November GP grid.
ETA: TEB is within the mandatory replacement period. It's a host pick, but with Besseghier and Amodio already there and Joubert not eligible for another assignment, the only French Men to score over 140 (total) in competition this year were three Juniors who skated JGP (Hocquaux, Tesson, and Tetar), and it's hard to imagine that the French Fed would send one of the others.
The Top Five alternates for Men are:
23-Menshov (NHK, week before)
25-Voronov (NHK, the week before)
On the bubble: 34-Balde (SC)
Majorov would be the cheapest to send, and he'll probably get it , but if I were thinking of the audiences I'd pick francophone Balde. (Argh, I skipped Voronov inadvertently.)
With Ponsart out, Im reposting Kwanfan's list of current alternates to keep it fresh:
On the bubble: 34-Balde (SC).
I guess Majorov would be my bet to get the spot.
Knowing French fed, they probably won't give an opportunity to one of their skaters so I would also bet on Majorov (as he's close and he's not a threat to their men).
It's not like they have any really strong up and coming skaters to give a host pick to.
Too bad it won't go to Ge.
From his tweets, he's been having a horrible time getting visas this year, worse than ever. China was his only hope, since he's living there now, but there were no WD's by Men in CoC.
Even if Ge did get picked, he has had so many visa issues this season, I would be surprised if he were actually able to show up.
If a non-french skater gets the spot I hope it goes to Menshov
As been said Ge has lots of visa problems. Menshov and Voronov are skating a week earlier in Japan which means travelling issues and them being russian some visa issues too. Majorov is the easiest pick.
Menshov competed in Nice last weekend, so his visa for France/Schengen could still be valid.
MenshovMenshovMenshovMenshov *fingers crossed*
Apparently Kevin Reynolds has withdrawn from CoC. Is his injury serious? Any information? Thanx.
Argh, too late to get Ge into the only event for which he doesn't need a visa.
I bet he'd be up for it even at such short notice
Hope it's nothing too serious for Reynolds.
He will probably accept, but I don't think Chinese federation will bother inviting him two days before the competition
It's so unfair. Poor Ge, I hope he won't be too upset about all the bad luck he has this season
China is a huge country but maybe he lives relatively nearby. A real shame.
Just because he lives there doesn't mean he doesn't need a visa to compete, right? At least here (and of course, every country sets their own rules) a visa that lets you live and train in the US doesn't necessarily let you work in the US. I'm pretty sure I've read about this before.
I'd love to see the first five alternates as of October 1st on each of the disciplines list funded to get visas in advance for each of the GP events.
Is a competition considered work?
Majorov gets the spot at TEB, too bad for Menshov.
Why are all theses athletes withdrawing so late?
It's not like they didn't know about their injuries earlier. Submitting withdrawals so late denies other skaters an opportunity to replace them.
Maybe they were hoping that they would be able to skate. A lot of skaters skate injured at some stage of their career, so if a skater is injured, usually they can't estimate how much better it will get by the time their event is due. Usually you think 2 weeks is plenty of time, I will feel much better. And then suddenly the event is here and they are still not able to skate properly.
Maybe they really hope they'll be well enough?
Or maybe they are all evil and know if they wait no one will replace them and ranking points won't go to someone else?
True, but if you for example do your back, you don't know if you are going to be ok in one week, two weeks or three weeks. They can't read the future. They don't want to withdraw and then be back to full health by the time the event arrives, and not be able to skate because they had withdrawn.
The Skate Canada statement gives the reason as skate issues, lost training time, but no mention of injury.
I think that most athletes hope to go and keep their options open until the last moment. It is a shame though that then they won't be replaced.
As for Kevin Reynolds, per press release of Skate Canada, he has equipment problems.
I was actually hoping the French would invite Tomas Verner. After his senior B-wins he is on the alternate list as well. He doesn't need a visa and he is not too far away.
I think he's already helping his parents coach in China. China may consider competitions work, but I doubt it, and the "employer" is the ISU, with the money going to the Federation. The skater isn't directly employed by anyone in China.
I'm sure he would, but I don't think the Chinese Fed will appoint him. I'd love to be wrong. Within 7 days the ISU has to approve a "no replacement.". Even if this is a rubber stamp, it's still a formal process, and there's nothing forcing the Chinese Fed to ask.
Politics , Verner's win really makes him a treat for the title and hurt french interests, but it is still sad.
Yes, I know. I thought that they don't invite him, because he is too strong now and could beat Florent Amodio if he skates well again.
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