Grab your bat and hit the sweet spot. Tennis 2010 vol.3

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  1. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    Nadal v Berdych tomorrow.

    So far:

    Womens Champion: Serena Williams
    Mens doubles: Jurgen Melzer and Philipp Petzschner
    Womens doubles: Yaroslava Shvedova and Vania King :D
     
  2. Fergus

    Fergus Well-Known Member

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    I'm actually anticipating a good match betwixt Tommy B. and Rafa.....or least I'm hoping for one!

    On a personal note, my usual "Wake up to Wimbledon" breakfast is cancelled for this year. :( Thank goodness, actually, my pre-Pride booze brunch last week wiped me out and we're 1/2 way thru having the living room repainted.

    Looks like mimosas in bed tomorrow morning! :summer:
     
  3. neptune

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    I personally don't think it's really possible to make accurate comparisons between players of different eras. IOW, even if Serena gets 18 majors, would that make her the equal of Chris and Martina? I don't think so. A lot of major players used to skip the Slams in the '70s to play team tennis, so the totals for Chris and Martina could have been a lot higher. Furthermore, Serena's competition has been so slight the past few years, whereas Chris and Martina always had the other (at the very least) to contend with. If Martina had faced such slim competition as she entered her late 20s, she could probably have won at least 10 more Slams than she did IMO.

    I think you're right. :) The sad part isn't that Vera didn't win but that she didn't give much of a fight. Too bad Sharapova or Clijsters or even Henin didn't make the final. They would have made things much closer IMO. It's also too bad Sharapova had two set points over Serena but couldn't convert. She's only 23, so hopefully she can get her form back. I also hope we see more of Kvitova--we need a new young phenom to help put some excitement back in tennis.
     
  4. judgejudy27

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    Womens tennis is a mess at the moment. Venus fading well out of their prime, Henin horribly off form ever since her comeback started inspite of making the Australian final, Clijsters dissapointing in slams this year, and Sharapova still on the comeback trail. The other Russian contenders all remain as streaky an enigmatic as ever, Ivanovic and Safina look finished (not that they will be missed being near the top much), while Jankovic and Stosur continue to look for their maiden slam titles.

    At this rate Serena could win a Calendar Slam in either 2011 or 2012. I would be happy for her if she could pull it off. She will definitely have to do it one of those years though IMO since even if the womens game remains this week she isnt going to ever win the French or be that dominant in a year she starts 31 or older as she would starting in 2013.
     
  5. oleada

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    Let's focus on what's important here.

    Bepa's new coach is SMOKIN' :smokin: (Probably NSFW)

    His name is Sergey and he used to be a tennis pro/Abercrombie model.
     
  6. Habs

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    I have to go out tomorrow morning and am going to miss the men's final. :wuzrobbed
     
  7. neptune

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    Very true. :) I hope Kvitova is one of the next "big things." She seems to have a lot of promise. Definitely a tough chick.

    If she hasn't been able to do that in the past 3 years, I don't see it ever happening.

    I would be surprised if she wins the French again. Granted, unlike Venus, Serena actually could win it, but I doubt she will. She's past her prime too, but barring any serious injuries, I suspect she'll fade more gradually than Venus. I also think that, like last year, someone else may win the U.S. Open too. If she stays healthy, of course, Serena should have several Slams left in her, but I think things will slowly start winding down. OTOH, if she gets injured to the extent Graf and Seles did in their late 20s, then all bets are off.
     
  8. judgejudy27

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    I like Serena but honestly she would need to win about 25 slams to even be at the level of Graf, Court, Navratilova, and Evert, at this point.

    Evert as you said has probably the most deceiving slam count ever. Had everyone played the French and Australian in those days she would have won an addition 3 French Opens for sure (unbeatable on clay completely from 76-78) and probably another 2 or 3 Australians from 1975-1980. She really should have 23 or 24 slams.

    Court's slam tally is inflated by the Aussie Open status then. She really should have only about 20 slams. Still the women retired for about a year on 3 different occasions while dominating the game to either have a baby and once to open a flower shop. She had 5 different 3 or 4 slam years including the Calendar Slam in 1970, two of those 11 years apart. And like Navratilova she has enormous records in doubles too.

    Graf's tally of 22 slams is possibly inflated by the Seles stabbing but she is the most versatile singles performer ever. She was dominant and won huge amounts on each surface- 7 Wimbledons, 5 U.S Opens, 6 French Opens. She like Court had 5 different years winning 3 or 4 slams, including the Calendar Slam in 1988. She actually won all 3 slams she played in 95 and 96 too including the French-Wimbledon-U.S Open triple but injury forced her out of the Aussie Open both years.

    Navratilova of course had such an amazing record in both singles and doubles back when doubles actually was a legitimate competitive field (these days it is a joke at the pro level). She won 9 Wimbledons at the Worlds most prestigious event. She has over 160 tour titles, breaking Evert's record. And she was reaching slam finals and winning tournaments at ages 36 and 37 when she retired.


    Serena has won only 37 tournaments which is a pathetic total for a 13 slam winner. She has fewer than not only Henin and Venus, but even Clijsters and Davenport. :yikes: Her "dont give a heck about anything but the slams" attitude she has had for years now will come back to bite her in the ass when people evauluate her career. People will also look back on the period since 2008 and consider it the worst womens field in history so many of her slam victories since that point, unless the field improves, wont impress as much either. Just winning 18 slams would definitely not put her in the same league as the above 4 players though all things considered. She would even have to go well beyond that.
     
  9. CaptCrunch

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    Upset special: Call me crazy but I'm picking Berdych to win today over Nadal. His game is huge on grass and it seems like its his time now. For sure Nadal is the better player but today I think Berdych will find a way to beat him. Berdych in 4 sets (with 3 of them going to tie-breakers).

    Berdych is 24 and that was the age that the other 2 Czech major winners won their grand slam titles (Jan Kodes in 73, and Ivan Lendl at 84 French Open). ;)

    At +290 Berdych is a good bet IMO off-shore. (bet 100 on Berdych to win and you get 290). The odds on Nadal have gone from -300 to -380 (bet 380 to win 100).

    And there you have today's betting lesson. :)

    Go Berdych!
     
  10. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    Rafa jumping around before the warm-up, like a puppy at Christmas. I find it kinda ...comical.
     
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    Can anyone else hear some random heavy breathing over the microphone watching this? :lol: Is it someone in the BBC broadcast booth? It's kind of distracting!
     
  12. allezfred

    allezfred Mince Pie Depriving Admin Staff Member

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    Yes! I thought it might be one of the players. Very worrying. :lol:
     
  13. Aaron W

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    Whoa. :grope:

    John McEnroe commented on the breathing as well. He said it sounded as though one of the ball boys was standing very near a microphone.
     
  14. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    Bloody dull final so far...
     
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    A woman after my own heart..... ;)

    Was there another Russian Revolution? 'Cause it looks like he's selling the family jewels! :grope:
     
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    With coaches like him who needs titles? :lol:
     
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    At least it won't be long (hopefully) ;)
     
  18. Aaron W

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    PML. John McEnroe is wishing Berdych was wearing short shorts so that he could check out his muscular legs more easily. :rofl:
     
  19. Hindernisse

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    Berdych had been playing so well the whole second set to choke so badly when he served to stay in the set. :(
     
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    Congrats Rafa!! :cheer2:
     
  21. allezfred

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    After the epic finals of the last three years, that has to go down as one of the most disappointing championships matches ever. :yawn:
     
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    On why never to take tips off people on the internet. :p
     
  23. Fergus

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    Aw, nice words from Tommy B. and as usual from Rafa. Both good guys, good for them! :cheer2:
     
  24. CaptCrunch

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    Oh boy, what can one say....Nadal was just too good. A champion for the ages.

    I'll enjoy my ham and cheese sandwiches for dinner all week. :lol::lol::lol:
     
  25. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    Disappointing final; hard to see what Berdych was actually trying to do out there, or what his game plan was to win; did he just go to make up the numbers? Mind you, Rafa was just too good and didn't let Tomas play. Congrats to him; personally, I think he's a few levels above EVERYONE at the moment.

    :rofl: What else were you expecting?!
     
  26. fragoletta

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    I don't know what you're talking about, I did the dishes, the laundry and my toe-nails during that match :p

    Congrats Rafa! :cheer2: It must be feeling really good after the last year. Now let's go for the USO!!! :cheer:
     
  27. judgejudy27

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    I knew the final would be a bore if it ended up being Nadal-Berdych. Berdych is Nadal's biggest pigeon in the top 20 and he beat the snot out of Berdych when they last played at Wimbledon in 2007 too.
     
  28. Fergus

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    Well, it warms the cockles of this old fart's heart to see the puppies acting with such class & good sportsmanship :)

    Especially 'cause there's nothing more of a handful than a sassy 19yo, *ahem*..... :p
     
  29. neptune

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    I agree with that.

    Makes sense. Apparently she didn't go to the Australian Open much because she wanted to be with her family at Christmas.

    Graf was incredibly talented. BTW, where's the next one? Watching MTV when she should be outside practicing? ;)

    Her longevity was definitely amazing.

    Very astute assessment. It can be misleading to simply count GS titles. For instance, in skating, Meissner and Harding each have one national title (if you don't count '94), and Meissner has one world title but Harding only a world silver. Therefore, Meissner was a better skater than Harding. Yeah, right. ;)
     
  30. judgejudy27

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    And many consider Ito and Lynn the 2 greatest skaters ever even though in medal haul they have only 1 World title, 4 world medals, and an Olympic silver and bronze when you combine the two. And even if figures didnt exist while both would have been more decorated it appears their medal hauls would still not have come close to tops in history. On the other hand how many people really consider Witt the greatest figure skater of all time despite 2 Olympic Golds and 4 World titles in 5 years. How many people consider Rodnina & Zaitsev, the most unbeatable, dominant, and decorated team in pairs history, the greatest pair team ever. So it is not not all about medals in skating, and in tennis is not all about slam count either.

    If it were all about slam count, overall achievements in singles or doubles, tournament count, most would consider Court the greatest ever and while she is up there few rate her over Graf or Navratilova. Court after all has the record of 24 singles slams, the record of 62 combined singles/doubles/mixed slams. Tournaments were not properly kept track off then but it has been reported she actually won more than 200 singles tournaments which is even more than Navratilova's record, and over 500 tournaments counting doubles and mixed. Yet even with that she is the greatest female player ever to very few.
     
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