GP/Senior B/JGP assignments for US skaters next season

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  1. jlai

    jlai Title-less

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    Any guesses?

    I'm curious as to what Carriere or Bebe will get next season.

    I'm guessing Maxwell and Musademba won't be getting any.
     
  2. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    For men its gonna depend a lot whether if Evan, Johnny and Ryan come back next season. I will be very surprised if they do so without taking those three in consideration, and keeping in mind the maximun spots the US could get is 18:

    For Sure 2 Spots :
    Abbott - 2 (Top12 at worlds so this is a no brainer).
    Rippon - 2 (ditto as Abbot)
    Mroz - 2 (he's at both top 24 season best and world ranking, a safe bet)

    Likely 2 spots :
    Miner - 2 (he's got one in the bag thanks to JGPF and all the top Juniors who move up usually get two)
    Hochstein 2 (highest result at Nationals after the top men, 4th at Jr. Worlds, he'll probably be the 3rd guy at Skate America)

    Likely 1 spot, but you never know :

    Carriere - 1 : out of both SB and WS lists, poor GP results plus bombed at Nationals, he'll get one only by reputation.
    Mahbanoozadeh - 1 : Same as Carriere, plust he bombed at Jr. Worlds

    Dark Horses for 1 spot :

    Messing and Dornbush : not big enough names, not high placement at nationals and down to the 30s at Season Best list. Only will get one if none of the top guys are returning. How Old is Messing?? maybe he'll be better going back to Junior Grand Prix.

    That would be 14 spots for US Men which is what usually gets. I'll do ladies later.
     
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Summary of season stats for these 6 US guys:

    Miner - 1st in JGP Lake Placid; 2nd in JGP Croatia; 3rd at JGP Final (#35 SB score of 196.09); WD from Nationals (would have been Sr. debut) & Jr. Worlds due to injury

    Hochstein - 2nd in JGP Hungary; 4th in JGP Germany; 5th at JGP Final; 7th at Nationals (Sr. debut); 5th at Jr. Worlds (#38 SB score of 194.30)

    Mahbanoozadeh - 11th at Cup of China; 9th at Skate Canada (#42 SB Sr. score of 186.48); 8th at Nationals (Sr. debut); 10th at Jr. Worlds

    Messing - 6th in JGP Poland (skated with an injury); 9th at Nationals (Sr. debut); 4th at Jr. Worlds (#34 SB score of 197.03); one more year of ISU junior eligibility in 2010-11

    Dornbush - 1st in JGP Hungary; 5th in JGP Germany; 4th at JGP Final (#39 SB score of 191.80); 11th at Nationals (Sr. debut); one more year of ISU junior eligibility in 2010-11

    Carriere - 3rd at Finlandia Trophy; 6th at Cup of China (#37 SB Sr. score of 195.08); 8th at Skate Canada; WD from Nationals after SP
     
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  4. sammyf

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    For pairs I would think the following, but a lot will depend on Indy

    Caydee Denney/Jeremy Barrett -2 GP
    Amanda Evora/Mark Ladwig -2 GP
    Keauna McLaughlin/Rockne Brubaker -2 GP
    Caitlin Yankowskas/John Coughlin -1 or 2 GP
    Marissa Castelli/Simon Shnapir -1 GP
    Amanda Dobbs/Joseph Jacobsen -1 GP (Skate America)

    Chloe Katz/Joseph Lynch -B event
    Tiffany Vise/Don Baldwin -B event
    Britney Simpson/Nathan Miller -B event
    Felicia Zhang/Taylor Toth -B event

    Cassie Andrews/Nicholas Anderson -JGP
    Brynn Carman/AJ Reiss -JGP
    Morgan Agster/Adam Civiello -JGP
    Kaitlin Budd/Matthew Blackmer -JGP
    Ashley Cain/Joshua Reagan -JGP
    Kylie Duarte/Colin Grafton -JGP
    Mandy Garza/Brandon Frazier -JGP
    Olivia Oltmanns/Joshua Santillan -JGP
    Tracy Tanovich/Michael Chau -JGP (thanks Sylvia)
     
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  5. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    And under the current ISU age rule, Tanovich/Chau [S11] are finally eligible for the JGP this coming season.
     
  6. ragdollcatmom

    ragdollcatmom New Member

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    No Brooke and Ben for GP? Are they retiring?
     
  7. barbk

    barbk Well-Known Member

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    And are Rena & John officially retired? I know he went away mad after Nationals, but I'm not sure I read any interviews where either of them said they were retiring. (On the other hand, with the craziness of Nationals/Olympics it certainly could have been lost in the noise.)
     
  8. TwizzlerS

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    I was wondering the same thing. You'd think from his reaction to their loss to make the Olympic team at US Nationals that they would quit. But then again, they stuck it out for a number of years after many thought they should have retired.

    Do skaters need to make official announcements of retirement? It also seemed like Brooke & Ben retired since they did not accept the invite to 4CC but I don't recall seeing anything about it.
     
  9. SamuraiK

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    There's no such thing as official retirement anymore these days (unless you're Lambiel who did it twice LOL) but Im under the impression aswell that Castile&Okolski are done since they didnt even bother with 4CC this year which would have given them the chance to get GP events. If they do stick around, they will be lucky to get only one assignment and that would be the 3rd invitation from Skate America since they are not in the season best or world ranking lists plus have been absent from major competitions since 2008.

    I agree with the rest of Sammy's predictions though. Doobs & Jacobsen will probably be the 3rd team at Skate America and Yankowskas&Coughlin will finally receive a second assignment thanks to their 4th place at 4 Continents.
     
  10. chipso1

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    At Nationals this year Brooke and Ben said they're not sure if they're done competing yet. They said they might be back for another season.

    I hope they do! Their FS at Nationals was a step in the right direction, and hopefully a big confidence booster!
     
  11. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    When the 2010-11 team envelopes are published online, the named skaters will then have to let USFS know if they intend to compete in the coming season. That's usually when official announcements of retirements, team splits and/or skaters "not competing in 2010-11" will start happening.
     
  12. Jayar

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    The challenging part is that there is a limited number of men's spots on the JGP for US men based on their finish at Junior Worlds. Because of that, we will only have 7 spots for the entire series. My guess is that Messing, Brown, and Farris will each get an initial assignment. I also believe that Max Aaron will get one as well. If the first three medal, then they will all get a second assignment, leaving none for anybody else. It's tricky!

    So for men, I see it this way:

    GP: Abbott (2), Rippon (2), Hochstein (2), Mahbanoozadeh (2), Bradley (2), Mroz (2). If any of Weir or Lysacek come back, Mahbanoozadeh might get zero assignments.

    Senior B's: Mahbanoozadeh (if no GP), Dornbush, Dyer, and Wong (Cassar will be alternate if he sticks around)

    JGP: Messing, Brown, Farris, Aaron

    Ladies:

    GP: Flatt (2), Nagasu (2), Wagner (2), Gao (2), Dobbs (2), Gilles (2), Czisny (1)

    Senior B's: Czisny, Liang, Zhang, Bulanhagui... maybe Davis

    JGP: Zawadzki, Siraj, Baga, Jiang, Gong, Cain, Marley/Kulgeyko

    Pairs:

    GP: Denney/Barrett (2), Evora/Ladwig (2), McLaughlin/Brubaker (2), Yankowskas/Coughlin (2), Simpson/Miller (1), Dobbs/Jacobson (1)

    Senior B's: Katz/Lynch, Zhang/Toth, Smith/Bartholomay, Vise/Baldwin

    JGP: All age eligibles!!! LOL!

    Dance:

    GP: Davis/White (2), Samuelson/Bates (2), Chock/Zuerlein (2), Hubbell/Hubbell (2), Tibbetts/Brubaker (2), Cannuscio/Lorello (1)

    Senior B's: Summersett/Gilles, Kriengkrairut/Giuletti-Schmitt, Pratt/Obzansky

    JGP: Shibutani/Shibutani, Gilles/Donohue, Olson/Cowan, TBD from Lake Placid
     
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  13. barbk

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    I'd like to see some of the Senior dance teams heading off to the GP circuit assigned to the early season Senior Bs so that they get good feedback on whatever the new OD format turns out to be. That could end up being pretty important given the magnitude of the change being discussed.
     
  14. barbk

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    I'd think Caroline Zhang would be in line for at least one GP ahead of Czisny.

    I'm also feeling a little bad for the Shibutani's, who are probably on the JGP circuit again and it has got to be feeling pretty old.
     
  15. chipso1

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    I'm sure Caroline Zhang will at least be offered a GP assignment or 2. After this season, her ISU World Ranking is still 11th or 12th, IIRC. Now, she may decline those assignments to instead work on her technique, but I think she'll at least be offered two.

    GP: Nagasu (2), Flatt (2), Wagner (2), Gao (2), Zawadzki (2), Zhang (2), Dobbs (1), Czisny (1), Gilles? (1)

    Senior B: Czisny, Dobbs, Gilles, Musademba, Maxwell, Gong (?)

    JGP: Baga, Siraj, Jiang, Cesario, Wang, Davis, Cain, Gong

    All of this depends on 1) who retires (Liang? Czisny?), 2) who stays on the JGP (Zawadzki? Gao?), and who gets a Skate America "home pick" (possibly Musademba or Maxwell depending on good summer comp. results?).
     
  16. chipso1

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    As for the other disciplines for SGP:

    Men: Abbott (2), Rippon (2), Mroz (2), Miner (2), Hochstein (2),Mahbanoozadeh? (1), Dornbush? (1 - poss. Skate America?), Carriere? (1)

    ...again, a lot of ^ depends on whether veterans like Lysacek/Weir/Bradley come back next season. I think Messing, Farris and Brown will be guaranteed JGP spots.

    Pairs: Denney/Barrett (2), Evora/Ladwig (2), McLaughlin/Brubaker (2), Yankowskas/Coughlin (2), Castile/Okolski? (1 or 2), Castelli/Shnapir (2?), Dobbs/Jacobson (1 - Skate America?),

    ...^if Inoue/Baldwin and Castile/Okolski don't come back, a spot could potentially open up for Simpson/Miller, Zhang/Toth or Aaron/Cohen (a SA host spot probably?). If Katz/Lynch come back strong they could make a case for the third SA spot, too.

    Dance: Davis/White (2), Samuelson/Bates (2), Chock/Zuerlein (2), Hubbell/Hubbell (2), Summersett/Gilles (1, poss. 2?).

    ...^will the Shibs move up to senior? If so, I think they'll get 2 assignments. Tibbetts/Brubaker could possibly get 1 (maybe SA?)...if not, I can see them doing Nebelhorn. Ditto for Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt, who could very well get Skate America.
     
  17. TanithandBenFan

    TanithandBenFan U.S. Ice Dance Junkie

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    From your mouth to the GP assignment gods' ears! Love this team and would love to see them in Portland.
     
  18. haribobo

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    Wow, that seems so crazy but that is indeed the proper amount based on ISU. If China, for example, doesn't use all its spots, then USA might get more. Also, not sure who is hosting what but if USFS hosts anything, they will get 3 spots for the men in that event.
     
  19. Sylvia

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    Last season was when the ISU changed the rule re. the number of JGP entries for singles skaters and dance teams from the top 5 countries' placements at Junior Worlds to top 3. It's published in last year's JGP Announcement. However, if a country such as China chooses not to send 2 men to each of the 7 JGPs next season, the USA should be next in line to pick up some of their unused men's slots.
     
  20. mysticchic

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    I don't think Bebe will get anything this year. She's not even in the top 35 SB scores. US ladies are in bold.

    here is the sb scores for ladies
    top 35 seasons best

    4.190.15 Nagasu
    7.182.49 Flatt
    16. 163.97 Wagner
    18. 163.53 Czisny
    20. 160.78 Zhang
    23. 158.23 Dobbs
    25. 156.79 Zawadzki
    31. 151.92 Gilles
    32 151.47 Gao


    39. 147.39 Musademba


    40. 146.98 Baga
    46. 137.55 Maxwell
    54. 131.39 Liang
    55. 131.33 Kawamura
     
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  21. dinakt

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    Re: the post above- where does Makarova fit in there? Thank you!
     
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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  23. mysticchic

    mysticchic Well-Known Member

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    Here are the mens
    2. Evan 25770
    8 Weir 238.87
    10. Abbott 235.38
    11.Rippon 231.38
    23. Mroz 212.68
    25.Bradley 212.19
    34. Messing 197.03
    35. Miner 196.09
    37. Carriere 195.08
    38. Hochstein 194.30
    39. Dornbush 191.80
    42. Mahbanoozadeh 186.48
     
  24. mysticchic

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    she is ranked 12 on season best
     
  25. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    Makarova was 8th at worlds so she's guaranteed 2 events next season no matter what. And I Think Ross Miner will be the first to get 2nd event because he already has 1 event in the bag thanks to his bronze at JGP final unlike Dornbush, Hochstein, Armin, etc...


    My Take on Ladies ....

    Guaranteed 2 Spots

    Nagasu & Flat (4) : Both Top 12 at worlds, according to the rules they'll get 2 events.

    For Sure 2 Spots

    Czisny, Wagner & Zhang (6) : All three girls will be among the top 24 SB scores and Top 24 world standings , plus they all have high enough profiles in the international scene, they'll get 2 events no matter what too.

    Gao & Zawadski (4) : If both decide to move up to Senior they will have no problem with getting the second assignemnt (they already have one thanks to JGP and Jr. Worlds), all the top juniors from the last season always get two events in the next Grand Prix and even the not so top juniors (think Hecken and Helgesson this year).


    More than Likely 2 Spots :

    Dobbs (2) : She'll be among the Top 24 scores and her 4th place at Four Continents wont be ignored. SHe's the new Katrina Hacker, she'll get two.


    Likely only 1 Spot, but you never know :

    With all of the above we're left with only 2 slots available. One will probably go to Gilles thanks to her decent enough results and the last one should be the 3rd Skate America girl (Musademba, Maxwell or Gilles again) after the monitoring of summer competitions.


    Bebe is done .
     
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  26. mysticchic

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    Dance
    2. D&W 223.03
    4. B&A 203.07
    15, Shibs 175.95
    16. S&B 174.30
    27 Navbom 160.89
    33 Hubbell 154.20
    34. C&Z 153.92
    35. C&L 153.77
    36. T&B 153.50
    38. Gilles and Donohue 152.60
    53. Lichtman and Copely 144.74
    54. Summersett and Gilles 144.53
     
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  27. barbk

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    Nice analysis. I hope that the USFSA doesn't assign any of Musademba, Maxwell or Gilles before seeing several solid summer comp results from any of them -- they've each had rather weak outings this year. Is Meissner in the mix for one GP event if she does well during the summer? I'd take her over the other three in a heartbeat.
     
  28. mysticchic

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    Pairs
    10. Denny and Barrett 172.47
    12. E&L 171.92
    14. McBru 170.17
    16. I&B 158.78
    18. 18 157.49 Caitlin YANKOWSKAS / John COUGHLIN
    31 Simpson and Miller 144.80
    35. Brook and Ben 139.58
    40. Castelli and Shnapir 133.01
    47. Zhang and Toth 128.01
     
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  29. mysticchic

    mysticchic Well-Known Member

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    Kimmie is ranked 33 in the world. No season best this year
     
  30. barbk

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    I'm curious about how the Shibutanis are likely to score in international senior competitions given how high their junior scores have been. I'm still trying to picture them doing better than Samuelson & Bates -- but aren't junior scores generally lower because there are fewer elements and shorter program times?