Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by skatemuse, Dec 5, 2010.
Do we really need another thread hashing out this topic?
LMAO absolutely not....I read up to the third paragraph, and realized how the author couldn't even keep her facts straight just to try and accentuate their bias...
"In the short program at Skate Canada, Chan fell three times twice on his jumps and once on his footwork. A similar disaster landed Nobunari Oda in 28th place at Worlds last year."
As we all know...Oda popped all 3 jumps in the short last year, and you get virtually ZERO points for that, Although Chan fell three times, he got the deductions he was supposed to get but he still got points for rotating jumps. In absolutely NO WAY was that similar...
Let us not forget one last thing....the author is comparing WORLDS to Skate Canada? LMAO the fact that she used that comparison between Oda & Chan, between worlds and skate canada to provide support for her point shows that there is nothing but bogus in her argument LOLLLL...
What it does make her sound like is a 10 year old whining why didn't her favorite American skater make the GPF. Ok...another pet peeve of mine is how this point is used again and again...
"Worst of all, the complexity of the scoring makes it virtually incomprehensible to the audience, which in turn makes cheating by the judges easier than ever before."
Complexity of the scoring is MUCH SIMPLER than it was before, in fact.. it is the 6.0 system that was really "incomprehensible" to the audience if you think about it. You do stuff, you get points, you do harder stuff, you get more points...you make mistakes... you get less points for the stuff you did..that is that, use a calculator to add that all up, you have your grand total. There may have been a learning curve for everyone involved in the sport when it first came out, but it has been a good 7 seasons and I think the audience is not quite as dumb as these bloggers make them sound, they are not quite as clueless as they seem, they know that when a skater does well, they will get more points... if there seems to be a discrepancy..now you can go look at the protocols to see the exact breakdown of what the skaters did to get the points!
Back in 6.0... you see skaters performing very well and getting 5.1s and 4.8s...huh? why? doesn't make sense... o well..not to mention, the marks didn't count as it was only the rankings that did.
It's been 7 years and we're still 'learning'. Yeah, audience is still quite 'dumb' NOT to appreciate that Chan's scores are well deserved with 4 falls per competition under CoP.
People are dying but Chan apologists keep on spinning...
Who is dying?
American men kept themselves out of the final. No other way to look at it.
This. The main reason why I hated 6.0 and see no reason to reinstate it.
Who's Brian Mroz??
I think it's "punishment" American TV is broadcasting "Skating with the Stars" Penance must be paid for anything that bad.
(Hey it makes as much sense as some of the other whining )
It's all Michelle Kwan's fault
I sure didn't know what any of those numbers mean.
Protocols are there for a reason. At it's simplest and most idealistic, everything is outlined. We may not be able to read the judges' minds but we know what the numbers mean in reference to the element that is done. There's a rubric that most of us can follow along to understand. It's not perfect but there is meaning to an 81.30.
This blogger conveniently didn't bring up anything about the American men and their scores but brought up the Japanese men. It's a tad scary that her whole blog reads like a PSA about the evils of the CoP.
I consider this "cyberbullying".
Aren't we having too many Chan bashing threads on FSU now? I'm sooo tired of this.
Yup Adam didn't skate well at SA, Jeremy didn't skate well at COR, and Brandon earned his low PCS which kept him out of the GPF with his zzz skating. The only ones who even competed against Chan in a GP event were Rippon, who I do think deserved to beat Chan there but I don't think deserved to beat Oda (I would have had the results 1.) Oda 2.) Rippon 3.) Chan) which would have meant he would have come in 2nd place and 4th place at his 2 GPs and still would not have qualified for the final; and then Jeremy at COR, and Jeremy made so many mistakes there that I thought his scores were deserved and he should have been behind Chan, therefore making Chan not responsible for Jeremy's not qualifying for the GPF. So really, Chan doesn't play a factor in any of it.
Yuka Sato is doing well with him. Why does he need to be freed?
I mean, I feel badly about the fact that so few Americans are going to the final, but at the same time, I'm sure that Jeremy needs to stay home (wasn't he having boot trouble or something like that?) and I'm not sure that Mroz going would be the best idea (I think that he needs to keep training if he hopes to do well should he make worlds) and...well, I can't come up with a good reason to leave Adam behind, other than his SA performance.
All in all, it's one GPF. This isn't the Olympic season, this is just a season in between, and they have three years to rebound.
Additionally, Chan does not deserve the blame for any of this. Sure, I was really pissed after SC (although I did pick him for my A pool, so go figure), but I think we spend wayyyyy too much time talking about Chanflation.
Well, nobody is forcing you to join a so-called 'Chan-basing' thread.
They just aren't good enough to make the GPF.If Weir and Lysacek competed they will easily attend the GPF.
Jeremy and Rippon bombed in their second GP,and their programs weren't good enough.and Brandon is tooooooo boring.If they can go to the GPF,that will be so strange indeed.
Can we discuss why Czisny is in before Phaneuf? skating skills? experience? no big shoulders? or maybe just she(Alyssa) just skated better that day? BTW I love both these ladies very much. Chan is becoming more interesting for the controversy he creates than his skating
Riiiiiiiiiight, Abbott only won the GPF the first time he ever qualified for it. He certainly is good enough to make the GPF as he has done so the past 2 seasons. His COR LP skate just wasn't up to snuff; learn from it and live to skate another day.
And you can prove this with 100% certainty how?
I've been slacking on the GP series but does it have to do with Alissa winning one of her GP events?
Maybe the author of this piece should watch some Canadian skating on TV and be informed as to how COP works instead of whining about the American boys getting left out of the GP final.
And the Chan bashing continues. He must be a really great skater if there are this many topics devoted to the hatred of him by a few.
Because Czisny won two medals, one of which was gold, and Phaneuf had two fourth place finishes? Plus, Czisny beat Phaneuf head to head in both competitions.
Aren't you two talking about the same thing really? Lucn said he wasn't good enough to make the gpf (meaning this season); you said his skates weren't good enough.
In general I find FSUers are already nicer to him than just about any other skater competing. That comment is extremely mild compared to what's been said about others.
On another note, as a two-time national champ it won;t kill Abbott to take some criticism like other national champs do.Just saying as an Abbott fan.
I don't know what skating boards you go to, but Abbott certainly does get criticized for his lack of international resume. He certainly has been bashed often over his Worlds and Olympics performances. I'm not sure how you get the impression that his competitive shortcomings have gone unscathed. If he doesn't get as badly criticized as others, it's because he's generally a nice, humble guy who is respectful towards his competitors. I think he, Tomas Verner, and Michal Brezina all attended the same school to be gentlemen on (and off) ice.
To be honest I find all posts re Abbott to be mild, considered what's been said about Weir, Lysacek, or Chan/Joubert. Every time there's a hint of Jeremy criticisms there're ubers to the rescue, to the point that sometimes I think constructive criticisms also get unsaid. In fact, many criticisms on Abbott would never raise so much of an eyebrow had it been say, Caroline Zhang.
While I don't particularly think fans should harshly criticise skaters, I personally do not find it problematic that what's been said about other skaters should apply to my own favorite too. Fair is fair. You may think so-and-so is nice and doesn't deserve harsh words, but who's to say Lysacek isn't nice in his own tough-guy sort of way?