Get your twinkies & ding dongs while you can!

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Buzz, Nov 16, 2012.

  1. Anita18

    Anita18 Well-Known Member

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    I agree that it's a catch-22. If you take a pay cut, other prospective employers will devalue you. If you stand up for yourself, you'll be looked upon as difficult. It's up to the individual to determine which way to go.

    I'm not entirely sure how unions work - if the member is out of a job, are they required to still be part of that union? I'm supposedly part of a union myself (one for lab techs), but I figure that my membership should go away when I quit my job and change industries. :p
     
  2. kwanfan1818

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    That sounds like Teamsters territory. I can't see why the bakers' union would care how the goods were transported.

    You no longer pay dues if you switch to a non-union job in the same company, leave the company for a job that isn't under the same union, or change industries, but future earned benefits, like pensions, if applicable, apply even if you leave, if you're vested when you leave.
     
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  4. Artistic Skaters

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    My mindset is that there is a sickness in the corporate culture of many corporations that makes them willing participants in juggling numbers, falsifying information, & doing many things lacking in honesty & integrity, often to the detriment of their employees, & at some point people have to say enough is enough.

    If I was a diligent worker who put in an honest day's pay for an honest day's wages & those wages were 48K in 2005 & will be reduced to 25K in the near future due to poor management & corporate greed, then I would frankly feel better working for $10 an hr elsewhere for a company that might not be able to pay too much but values their employees. I might be poorer but I'd have a higher level of job satisfaction that wouldn't conflict with my own standards.
     
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  5. loulou

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    I think it does, actually. I think the bankrupting has got nothing to do with a labor dispute.

    Is the company bankrupting because they have been overpaying their work force, or because management choices got them out of market?
    What percentage of total cost is work force cost?
    What is the top to bottom ratio in the incomes?
    If the paycuts were to be accepted, what's the plan that should show sacrifices will save jobs, since it looks like the last time around they didn't?

    In the last fourty years, profits shifted heavily from rewarding jobs to deepening companies' margins. Heavily. It's not good for the economy, on the contrary: it weakens the workers and the management skills, and the society as a consequence.


    Why would someone feel good because his/her company and job is going under?



    The latter. From a general point of view: if wages aren't fair, then it's much better to have the company bankrupt, then to have the workers struggle more and more.

    It's not even about their problems.

    I guess you agree that if a company isn't able to pay fair wages, and instead needs un-fair wages to stay on the market, than the management isn't doing a very good job, so let the market rule, let the company go under, and someone else with better managing skills will rise. Someone always does, if you leave chances open.

    Let's then hypothetically say the workers are going to accept to be under-payed, because, as you say, for desperate people it's always better less than nothing. This will spread: if they are under-payed, other companies will have to deal with that issue too to stay on the market; and if there's always someone desperate enough to work under-payed, those will force everyone else down that route, because it's either less (and less and less) or nothing. And if you don't accept, someone else will and you'll find no job.

    A society should really fight hard for its companies to pay fairly, or bankrupt.
    The other possible way is for people to be payed un-fairly. And how much so? To the point where you cannot afford rent? education for your children? health care? or maybe food? or maybe just healthy food? Does that sound like a good compromise, eating but not eating healthy?


    That one made me laugh.
     
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  6. Karina1974

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    Yeah, well, I'm also still employed at that same company, so the program we were under that allowed me to get that unemployment pay while still workng the other 32 hours was successful far as my employer was concerned. I just hope that this whole "fiscal cliff" is avoided, because I really do not want to go through that again.
     
  7. Artistic Skaters

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    This was a topic of discussion yesterday because one of my immediate family members works for a bakery. It is a high end gourmet bakery, non-union, & always busy with a line out the door, big catering business, breakfast & lunch clientele. She makes quite a bit more than the $25K ($12 an hr) which is what it says these Hostess bakers would soon be earning. She has health insurance, 401K & other benefits. She says the owners & management are top quality who treat all the employees from the dishwashers to the bakers with the same respect & display leadership with integrity. She feels she has learned a good trade with transferable skills but has job security where she is. So there are jobs like this out there & Hostess does not have to be the only game in town if that's how they choose to conduct their business.
     
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  8. PeterG

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    I just saw a photo on facebook. It's a twinkie with a huge bite bitten out of it. The caption reads:

    :rofl:
     
  9. LilJen

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    Just noticed that we have a Twinkie Cookbook on our shelf (gift from someone a few years back). Wonder if it'll go for a high price on eBay, or be worthless?
     
  10. loulou

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    Thanks: also very funny.