Genrich Sretenski Arrested!

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  1. triple_toe

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    Iceymom's kid probably works or has worked with Sretenski in the past. I've no doubt that Iceymom is speaking the truth when she says neither she, nor anyone she knows of, has experienced anything untoward from Sretenski. So when allegations like this come about it's only natural that she would want to jump to his defence. Yes, she wasn't present at the actual incident but if she knows him well enough to think he wouldn't do something like this she should be able to say so. She's probably stressed about this and angry at the allegations so I think she isn't expressing herself as calmly as she could, which is perfectly natural. Not right but understandable.

    None of this changes whether the allegations are true or not. I hope they're not but we just don't know. All I want to say is that if someone I knew personally was accused of something like this and I was convinced they were innocent, I might not be able to express myself with grace either. This is a really touchy subject (no pun intended :shuffle:) and it's easy for both sides to get heated.

    I for one am glad that Iceymom has come forward as something of a character witness defending Sretenski here. It can't be easy. I like to think the best of my favourite skaters so when nasty rumours come about I like to hope they aren't true for my own selfish fandom. At least from Iceymom's posts he appears not to be a total sleazeball. If he's guilty, I hope he is punished but I also really hope that he is innocent.
  2. ioana

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    The bolded part of your post is the problem. It's one thing to express support for someone you worked with (or whatever the case might be) and talk about your good experience dealing with the man. And then say something along the lines of hopefully we can all reserve judgment on this until all the facts are known. On the other hand, bringing up problems and issues of the alleged victim only makes you look like you have an axe to grind.

    No one said she shouldn't chime in. In fact I agree it's good to hear from other skaters or their parents. Presenting that opinion as fact (while belittling the skater who came forward) is the issue here...Hopefully you're right and this is just a case of posting while being too emotional.
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  3. Capella

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    Given that the majority of skaters who compete at the Lake Placid Ice Dance Championships (which I'm assuming is the event, since there was no JGP last year) are *minors* and that according to the Associate Press article Sylvia linked to above said the charges are sealed, I would be extra careful about mentioning the accuser or identifying details.
  4. liv

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    Sometimes victims aren't really victims either.

    I had a work placement at a school with children/teens with a variety of disabilities and was warned never to be alone with one teenaged student because she had a history of making up stories about people who worked there, irregardless of gender. No charges were ever laid, no evidence of wrongdoing ever came up, and staff knew everything to be false (and this school has a tremendous reputation), but it caused everyone who worked there a lot of trauma because of the investigations and the nature of the allegations and they never knew when she would make up something else because she chose to remain at the school. Every newcomer had to be warned in order to protect themselves. I"m just saying that sometimes there are cases where everyone does know that the accuser is making things up and it is because of her own issues. It has no other connection to this case.

    As for this case, it's upsetting to hear of any allegations of this type, and i hope that whatever happened is properly investigated and the truth comes out, whatever it is.
  5. pollyanna

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    I agree with ioana that the problem with iceymom's posts was not that she defended Sretenski, but that she made unfounded insinuations against the alleged victim. Iceymom also revealed the gender of the alleged victim which was all kinds of wrong. Obviously the authorities want this information sealed for now. See the bolded parts of her posts below:

    I have admired and respected Sretenski for years, and I hope he is innocent, but I do not think we should make any assumptions about his accuser.
  6. triple_toe

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    No I totally agree that Iceymom shouldn't have started slinging mud at the victim. I'm just saying I understand if she's lashing out because she's angry about the accusations and/or knows the victim. That said, she's not doing herself or Sretenski any favours by it. I hope she comes back to the thread because she's clearly got an insider's perspective, but I hope she does so in a less antagonistic manner.
  7. Vagabond

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    Or maybe she's Sretenski's wife. Or some anonymous crackpot posting on the Internet. :shuffle:
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    wrong thread
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    insider perspective on how sretenski treats her and her kid, maybe. how does she know how he treats everyone else? is she with sretenski 24/7?

    of course it's upsetting to hear that someone you trust has been accused of something vile. but to conclude that you know enough to declare sretenski wrongly accused... to insinuate that the accuser will get what's coming to 'her'... when at this moment the identity/gender of the accuser hasn't even been revealed?
  10. Prancer

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    Or someone who absolutely should not be posting about this on an internet discussion board.
  11. Frau Muller

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    Just saw updated report on the local NBC4 tv station (approx 5:45AM, EST):

    Sretenski's extradition hearing was delayed til today.

    NBC4 obtained a complete copy of the Civil Lawsuit document in Prince George's County: The alleged incident happened in Sretenski's hotel room in Lake Placid in August 2011. Prior to the incident, Sretenski sent the victim over 500 text messages professing his passion and asking for meeting.

    Victim's attorney, Mr. Zambri, was briefly interviewed on-camera, repeating that he has all of the text messages and other evidence to prove the charges.
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  12. Frau Muller

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    An additional report on NBC4 at 6:35AM, with a bit more info:

    Salvatore Zambri, the victim's attorney, states that his client, the alleged victim, is a 16-yr-old female student of Sretenski at the Gardens ice arena in Laurel, MD. She was kissed and "fondled in the chest" after the defendant led her to his hotel room in Lake Placid...NBC4's camera scanned a page of text from the Civil Lawsuit document, including those words. [The page of text shown on camera also showed the beginning of a paragraph "...the kissing continued after Lake Placid, in Laurel..." but the reporter did not speak those words, as with the above.]

    The rest of the brief report was the same as shown earlier (my previous post).

    p.s. - My own thoughts: Not to say that it is not awful...but if kissing and fondling of the chest is what happened, I don't know how yesterday's information from Sretenski's attorney -- that the coach has been charged with sexual assault in the 1st and 3rd degrees + 'forcible touching' -- jibes with this. I thought that 1st degree was rape/penetration. (???) Maybe the victim is withdrawing some of the original allegations? Hard to tell.
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  13. skatemommy

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    why, why why do professionals and otherwise carry on with texting? It is recorded FOREVER. See former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Not laying blame or guilt...just that texts can be damning whether they are innocent or not. Heck, not using the right emoticon on FSU can generate a 5 page debate.
  14. Asli

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    Surely we should be glad that thanks to text messages there is often more evidence rather than less? The interpretation of evidence is another issue, but how can it be better to have less evidence to interpret?

    As for text messages being innocent, if there are indeed 500 of them, even if a few are ambiguous, hopefully the whole 500 together will give a correct picture.
  15. GarrAarghHrumph

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    No, you've misinterpreted the NY legal system re: what's first degree and etc.

    In NY State as I understand it, sexual abuse in the first degree is sexual contact (includes above the clothing) by force or threat of force, or when the individual is incapable of consenting due to mental deficiency, or when the individual is below age 17.

    In the third degree, it is sexual contact (including above the clothing) when one person is over age 21 and the other is less than 17 years old.

    Those are felonies.

    Forcible touching is when someone touches the body of someone else with the intention of, basically, either degrading that person or getting his own rocks off. (Obviously, that's not legal speak.)

    That's a misdemeanor.

    So it seems the state is going after him based on the fact that he touched without consent, and because she is underage. But certainly, others who are more in the know on the NY State legal system should chime in and correct me if I got anything wrong.

    And again; these are charges, not convictions.
  16. Frau Muller

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    Thanks, GAH. So it jibes with what this morning's TV report and the court document state. It's still terrible, no matter what - above clothing, below clothing, etc.
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    True, although I do believe that false accusations do more harm to true victims than they do to the falsely accused. Iceymom's posts are typical. She immediately goes on the offense, not just defending the coach but trashing the student. Totally uncalled for.

    Once my sil confided in my sister that she thought my brother was cheating. Both my sisters and my mom got on the blower and felt the need to tell everyone they knew that my poor poor brother couldn't even go on a buisness trip without his crazy bitch of a wife trashing his good name. In this case, he was indeed off bumping uglies with a floozie, that was his "business", but that's beside the point. Even if he was innocent, there was no need for my brother's "protectors" to use this incident as one more excuse to trash talk a woman they disliked.

    How are true victims suppose to feel comfortable going public if people continue to vilify any accuser even before they know if the accusations are true or not?
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    It might be "terrible, no matter what", but at this point it is all ALLEGED because none of the charges have been proven in court and no one has been convicted of anything. So please, anyone who is relaying reports from other sources, make this clear when you are posting.
  19. Frau Muller

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    I and many others contributing to this thread are 'on record' having written the word 'alleged' a gazillion times. I don't think that we need to over-allege in every single sentence, overedge. Point taken, nonetheless. :)
  20. skatesindreams

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    In the US, someone is presumed innocent, until proven guilty.
    We should remember that, before we assume that the allegations are true.
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    I see exactly one "alleged" in both of your posts on the TV reports. Sorry, but when talking about cases like this, what is alleged and what is fact needs to be clearly pointed out.
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    How can you allege that I did not allege enough? You are alleging incorrectly!
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  24. Frau Muller

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    It is only alleged. Don't forget that. Anyway, the article mentions it plenty:

    The lawsuit filed in July in Prince George’s County, Md., alleges Genrikh Sretenski (GURN’-rick sray-TEN’-ski) kissed the girl and touched her breasts in July 2011 in a hotel room. It also alleges he sent her more than 500 text messages. The lawsuit, filed by the girl’s father, says the girl has ended her skating career because of what happened. As a result, it seeks $5 million in damages.

    Wow. Poor girl, if it is true. So the civil suit had been brewing even earlier.
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    The article says the lawsuit was actually filed; it is not alleged that the lawsuit was filed. The claims/charges are alleged.
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    Alleged 500 text messages from a 50 year old coach to his 16 year old student regardless of content is a bit strange. :slinkaway
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    Right! But we all have to say 'alleged' or be sued. It's like Nancy Grace on TV, biting her lips every time that she has to remind everyone that the crimes said to have been committed by the usual subjects of her TV show are just alleged. (Of course, Nancy will be gloating on tonight's show, now that ex-cop Drew Peterson has been found guilty of murder of wife #3...but that's another story..back to our subject.)
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    Skating making the kind of headlines that go beyond the sports page. Gee. Great.
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    I somehow doubt you would think this was so funny if you were charged with a crime, and there were damaging allegations about you being circulated.
    cholla and (deleted member) like this.
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    Maybe the text messages were like "Practice your field moves", "Do 6 camel spins", etc.

    I wonder how the girl's parents arrived at the $5 million in damage value?
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    I was going to stay out of this ALLEGED charge, but, I must say, that $500 million in damages makes me think this all about money.
    :blah:
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    Wow, that is some jump between the posts. Yes, 5 million is a lot of money.
  33. pollyanna

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    The text message thing made me think of an episode of Veronica Mars entitled Mars vs. Mars. In it, a teacher is accused of sexually harassing a student, complete with text messages. In court, Veronica demonstrated how easy it was to steal or borrow a phone, send a quick text, and then return the phone, casting doubt on whether or not it was the teacher who sent the texts.

    Disclaimer - I'm not saying this happened here, just that mention of texts in this lawsuit made me think of Mars vs. Mars.
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    In the legal world, one says "alleged victim (AV)", not accuser. That is my only gripe.
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    Is he still teaching at the rinks or have his teaching privileges been suspended pending the outcome of the charges & an investigation? There could be some serious liability issues, considering the circumstances, if management & club leaders permit him to continue to teach while the charges are pending & anything else happened.
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    ^ all the articles listed say he was arrested and being held for extradition to ny, which was suppose to happen yesterday.
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    500 times.. that's a lot of borrowed/stolen phones :shuffle:
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    I repeat, I'm not saying this happened here, just that mention of texts in this lawsuit made me think of Mars vs. Mars.
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    Story was just on the news. He was denied bail today. It was mentioned that another hearing is scheduled for Monday - I assume that is for extradition to NY.

    They did a close-up of the charging document, zooming in on the words "kissed" and "no" (attributed to the alleged victim). His lawyer was interviewed and said they have not yet been given info on the charges. She noted that he was arrested Tuesday morning at home "in front of his young child." Regardless of who's telling the truth/guilty/innocent, let's keep his wife and children in our thoughts - this must be a nightmare for them.
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    It would be one thing if Iceymom had said she was shocked and found the allegations hard to believe because". . . It's quite another to be presenting opinion as fact on the internet, including judging the accuser and revealing the accuser's gender. And should she or anyone actually have insider knowledge of the case, it is obvious that it shouldn't be revealed on the internet. Especially given that she or someone else could be called as a witness.

    And assuming that Iceymom does know him as the coach of her child and as a member of the rink's ice dance community, does this mean she knows him well enough to pass judgment on his innocence versus guilt? Also, she did not say think as you did - she said know.

    I think not. And knowing others who believe he must be innocent as well is rather irrelevant to the case. I'm not passing judgment on this case, but innumerable people charged with or guilty of sexual assault have a group of people who can't believe they would do it. People who commit sexual assault are often ostensibly decent folk and not sleazeballs.
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