Fumie Suguri failed to qualify for Japanese Nationals again

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  1. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    ^ I heard that Miki said that Fumie just asked her to stop talking right during a competition because she was interrupting Fumie's concentration. Miki said she learned a lot from Fumie, and maybe Fumie was just teaching her proper competition etiquette.

    As for Fumie intentionally getting in the way of Yuna, which Japanese skater hasn't been accused of messing with Yu Na Kim?
  2. dawnie

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    The men and possibly Shizuka since she's the only Japanese skater she has invited to perform in her shows recently. See, even Yuna Kim is friends with Queen Bee Shizuka!
  3. fenway2

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    During one of the US GP broadcasts in 2001 or 2002 one of the commentators implied that Fumie annoyed the other Japanese skaters by showing up to competitions with a large entourage.
  4. tkaug

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    It is known that Fumie would often annoy her teammates(Shizuka, Yukari, Miki) when they were together with Nobuo Sato.
    In 2006-2007 season after Yukari made the world team and Fumie didn't,
    Fumie got Nobuo mad and he kicked her out of the rink for a while, then she left him later.
    I think that was the moment when she started to make everything in a wrong way.
  5. judgejudy27

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    What was Fumie's best chance of winning a World title, if she even had one? 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006? Obviously beating Slutskaya in 2005 in Russia was never ever going to happen so I didnt even mention that, actually beating a superb Kwan in the U.S in 2003 was probably also never either so scratch that too. Any of the remaining 3.

    Also what was her better chance of an Olympic medal, 2002 or 2006, or did she even have one at all in hindsight, especialy as she skated very well at both and still didnt medal in really messy dissapointing events both times.
  6. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Well, one can argue she was underscored in 2002. She had consistently beaten Cohen all season while they did comparable performances then in SLC, Sasha got marks she had never gotten before. Then a month later, Fumie beat Sasha again. Had things worked out differently, Fumie could have gotten a medal. I'd venture to say that Fumie was underscored at 2001 Worlds as well.

    As for 2006, again, I think she was slightly underscored in the SP in PCS, but not sure if that would've made the difference overall. Fumie wasn't the best skater, but you can't deny she had really respectable results coming into both games. She can't control how the judges would have scored the other skaters. Shizuka was all over the place in the 2004-2005 season and in the beginning of the 2005-2006 season.

    The problem with Fumie is that one could say her and Sasha started out in an equal playing field in 2002 and made up for what the other skater lacked. The problem was that Sasha improved her deficiencies while Fumie didn't, though her choreography and performance level did go up by 2006.
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  7. Proustable

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    2006 Worlds. Cohen was inconsistent (and didn't even want to be there), Meissner wasn't that great either, Rochette was still all nerves, no Arakawa or Slutskaya.
  8. Alex Forrest

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    I agree, 2006 Worlds. But I'm glad that Meissner had her moment as World Champion. Poor Fumie was just a journey-woman. I never got her skating. She always seemed off on her crossovers and basic skating. Sure she had good flow, but there was just something strange about the way she moved across the ice, plus her inability to straighten the legs and ankles. Fumie was spoiled by JSF for years, when Divakawa was clearly the star.
  9. Marco

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    Suguri & Arakawa battled for one Olympic spot in both 1998 and 2002 (Onda had locked in the other one in 2002 due to qualifying for GPF that season), and they each got to go once. I guess that's the main source of their rivalry. Suguri was Japan's rep at Worlds in 1997 and 1999 but lost out to Arakawa in 1998. Arakawa skated very well at the 2001 GPs and just narrowly missed making GPF but it was Suguri who won Nationals and got to go to SLC.

    At major competitions, their battle outcome was 2:2, with Arakawa beating Suguri at 2004 Worlds and 2006 Olympics and Suguri beating Arakawa at 2003 and 2005 Worlds. If counting Jr Worlds and 4CCs and Nationals I think Suguri comes out ahead, but obviously Arakawa won the two that really mattered.
  10. aidan

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    Onda was very lucky to have got the automatic Olympic berth due to qualifying for the GPF. She faced exceptionally weak fields to came 2nd in her GP events, facing none of the top American or Russian ladies (except Maria B in one of her events), who were dominant at the time. Arakawa had the misfortune to face Kwan/Cohen/Hughes/Volchkova at Skate America and Cohen/Hughes/Maria B/Volchkova at Lalique. At the time, I felt terrible for Arakawa, really thinking that might be the end of her career.

    One would have thought that would have convinced the JSF to scrap the idea of using the GPF to determine the Olympic qualifier, since so much of it is based on luck of the draw.
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  11. dawnie

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    I find it odd that they scrapped it for the next Olympics in 2006 but used the GPF again in 2010 to determine one of the spots.

    If they used the highest placing Japanese in GPF system in 2006, Nakano would have gone to Torino, which she deserved anyway. :mad:
  12. Marco

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    Well I am sure the JSF used whichever system that could justify them to send whoever skater they wanted. Let's face it. For Turino, Ando placed top 6 at the previous 2 Worlds, made GPF twice and won Jr Worlds and a couple of Nationals. Nakano had a promising season but that was it - she never even made Worlds. The choice was clear. Ando was the more possible medal contender.
  13. VIETgrlTerifa

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    ^ Thank goodness they didn't use that rationale for 2010, otherwise we wouldn't have been able to see Suzuki in Vancouver.
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    Luck of the draw is exactly right. Remember, Butyrskaya and Slutskaya were both scheduled to compete at NHK that season. Butyrskaya withdrew right before the competition to have her emergency surgery, and I forget why Slutskaya was out. Angela Nikodinov was looking like she'd easily qualify for the Final until that happened, but the withdrawals allowed Malinina (who was only 6th? I think in her first event) to climb all the way up and qualify with her win, along with Onda with her silver. I think the ordinals were all over the place for the top 4 in the free skate.

    Arakawa, on the other hand, was making a huge name for herself with her events. I remember at Skate America (a competition with both Kwan and Hughes), she was the only woman to get standing ovations in both programs. She had a 6(?)-triple free skate there, and then followed that with a 7-triple free skate at Lalique, including a triple toe-triple toe at the very end of her program. I am not sure what happened in the short there, but she was only to climb up to 6th or something. People were definitely taking note of her and her drastic improvement at that point.
  15. Marco

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    Well in 2010 they were clearly counting on Asada and Ando and neither Nakano nor Suzuki were going to medal anyway. So they just let Nationals decide... I would send them both and leave Ando home if it were up to me. :p
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    if they would have just let nationals decide, ando would have stayed at home.
    ando came in 4th at nationals behind asada 1st, suzuli 2nd and nakano 3rd.

    ando ensured her tickets to olympics with 2 grand prix wins, gpf 2nd place (leading kim after the short) and surely her worlds bronze the year before.

    i´m an ando fan but to be honest, she deserved that ticket for this season.

    but i think you´re right in japanse strange ways of picking skaters.

    by the way. 2005/06 they didn´t pull ando just over nakano who came in 5th at nationals. yoshie onda came in 4th, just one point behind arakawa and surely in front of nakano. if someone should have got andos spot, then onda.

    otherwise we wouldn´t have seen andos best short program ever (not in jumping content, program itself)
  17. VIETgrlTerifa

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    That short program was good in the Fall at Cup of Russia, but it was sloppy and looked unfinished for some reason in Torino. I'd rather she not perform it at all in Torino so people could just remember what it looked like earlier.
  18. The Accordion

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    Poor Fumie - not only did she not qualify for Nationals - she didn't qualify to remain in this thread! ;)
  19. judgejudy27

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    Well by that logic in 2006 they were clearly counting on Arakawa and Suguri and neither of Ando (at that point of her career) or Nakano was going to medal anyway. So they should have just let Nationals decide that year too.
  20. Alex Forrest

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    Poor Fumie... She's like the Tonia Kwiatkowski of the JSF. ls Kwiatkowski still competing too and hoping to go to the Olympics? Might as well. Your dreams are only as big as your delusions, a very wise person once told me. She's like what, 45?, and still hoping for Olympic gold? Back in the day she'd be quietly hospitalized and family would say she's 'resting'. Poor poor Fumie. And you know Divakawa loves it all as she goes from one ciggy to the next. haha. Can't you just see Diva saying,
    "Thank you Fumie for bringing me my bath water, but you need to leave now. And stop staring, it's creeping me out. You are now excused."
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  21. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

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    :blah: :rolleyes:
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    Oriental? God, that sounds so racist. If you are going to get on your high fecking horse, please don't have a racist name tag, mmkay?
  23. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

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    :rofl:

    The oriental plane is the English language name of one of my favourite trees.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platanus_orientalis
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  24. PeterG

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    Well then...you have named your favourite tree in A VERY RACIST WAY!!!! :soapbox:

    You have a good writer. :p
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    Not OP's fault, PeterG. :lynch: the agriculturist/scientist/?? who named this tree ORIENTAL PLANE, and OP's poor taste for liking this tree. :p
  27. Ziggy

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    Ignore it and it will go away. :)
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    Honest professor - I didn't mean to plagiarize! It was a coincidence/ subconscious / the mark of 2 geniuses moving along the same plane.
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  29. Alex Forrest

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    LOL, so how's that working out, Zigs?
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    LMFAO! This is one of the best posts I have seen in awhile! Hilarious!
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    Tonia had a legitimate shot at making the '98 Olympic team, last time she competed at Nationals. And she went to Worlds that same season, finishing 6th. The only similarity I see is that you probably never enjoyed seeing either one of them sticking around. Which, you know, is how retirement should be determined. Will have them give you a call before signing up for any future events.
  32. ks777

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    Fumie didn't get along with anyone but her sister. I think I remember reading Shizuka or Miki's blog a long time ago that they always included Fumie to going out for dinners and stuff(they were all practicing at the same rink at one point) but Fumie never wanted to join in.
  33. lowtherlore

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    While it's true she didn't get along with them, we wouldn't know what prevented her from wanting to join in.
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    Maybe she's a Scientologist? Or an Illuminati? And only socialises with HER OWN KIND.
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    I meant it could have been external as well as internal. She got along fine with the American skaters, at least on surface. She had spent her childhood years in Anchorage Alaska and her spoken English was pretty good, so I guess it helped her there. When moved to Japan she might have had some difficulty in being fully adjusted into the circle, where compliance with group behavior is the encouraged norm, relatively speaking. It would have been not entirely by her choice or her lack of sociability, but there could have also been some social or emotional barrier set by her peers which would not be readily visible or felt by the outsiders. It’s my guess.
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    those are good observations,lowtherlore. it's easy to judge a person, especially from the outside, instead of looking at our own flaws :)
  37. Marco

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    :lol: Now that the world hasn't ended, we need a new conspiracy. :cheer:
  38. Ziggy

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    That's very interesting, thanks. I didn't realise. Having been brought up in a different country puts you in this strange position where you feel and consider yourself to be Japanese (or whatever other nationality), yet when you move there after years of living somewhere else, you are different and don't really fit in. I know somebody who has experienced this clash.
  39. love_skate2011

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    Im sorry but Fumie has been done along time ago
  40. tkaug

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    I just saw a post below on her Twitter account.

    Arrived Munich,waiting Adam

    I do not think her English is good at all.
    Good English speakers wouldn't make such silly mistakes like this.