From Russia With Love - Winter 2012/13

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

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    What if Leonova got Euros and Gosviani got Worlds? Sure, it's a long shot, but Leonova is in a bad situation here and I don't see her drastically improving.

    WRT the ladies who're too young for senior comps, OMG, so much talent. :swoon: Putting aside the likely berths for Radionova and Lipnitskaya, I wonder if Serafima Sakhanovich might be able to swing a spot at JW? I guess it's pretty contingent on her success at JN.
  2. kwanfan1818

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    I suspect that the organizers of both Senior B's at the beginning of January would allow Gosviani to skate, were the Russian Federation to ask.
  3. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    And they didn't nominate Leonova? :watch:
  4. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I disagree with the concept of sending someone who finished 6th over the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place finishers. Sorry. That's just how I feel about it. It would be crazy and you may as well say "Nationals are irrelevant, we'll send who we like, don't bother turning up."

    It's the same with the men. I actually don't understand why they wouldn't send Menshov - solid and a good skater. It's Voronov who they should be wary about but they already said 1st and 2nd were locks.

    Regardless, I don't mind if Gachinski doesn't go this year. It seems terrible but I'd rather he have more time to have the doctors find out what's wrong with him.

    But seriously, I'd be sending Menshov. Kovtun is a great little skater and yeah he's Senior material, but he was 5th. To have a Euros team of 1st-2nd-5th without an injury seems odd.
  5. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Not this year - too young.

    Re-posting useful age info from the Russian Nationals Ladies SP thread in Kiss and Cry:
    Evgenia Medvedeva's DOB is listed as November 19, 1999, so she will be ISU Junior age-eligible in 2013-14.
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2012
  6. martyross

    martyross New Member

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    when will Elena Radionova enter the senior circuit? her free skating left me totally speechless.
  7. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

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    I did NOT realize that Sakhanovich was so young! She has a more mature presence than her age would normally suggest.
  8. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    No Polina K :fragile:
  9. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    Sakhanovich is born February 9, 2000 , and will only be 13 next year http://www.fskate.ru/skaters/1839.html
    is that cut off age allowed already under ISU rules ? :confused:
  10. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

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    Here's one:
    http://www.fskate.ru/results/tour/1164.html

    Men:
    Evgeni Vlasov
    Alexei Genya
    Fedosiy Efremenkov
    Andrei Zuber
    Maxim Kovtun
    Mikhail Kolyada
    Alexei Krasnozhon
    Andrei Lazukin
    Artem Leger
    Konstantin Milyukov
    Dmitry Mikhailov
    Alexander Petrov
    Adya Pitkeev
    Roman Savosin
    Alexander Samarin
    Vladimir Samoilov
    Vladislav Smirnov
    Vladislav Tarasenko

    Ladies:
    Evgenia Gerasimova
    Nikol Gosviyani
    Valerya Yevseyeva
    Kristina Zaseeva
    Anastasia Kolomiets
    Evgenia Medvedeva
    Natalia Ogoreltseva
    Arina Petrova
    Anna Pogorilaya
    Elena Radionova
    Seraphima Sahanovich
    Maria Sotskova
    Maria Stavitskaya
    Ulyana Titushkina
    Elizaveta Tursynbaeva
    Valentina Chernyshova
    Anna Shershak
    Elizaveta Yushchenko

    And since you ask about age, Valeria Yevseveya was born in 2002! :eek: Sotskova, Kolomiets, Yuschenko, Sahanovich, Tursynbaeva & Ogoreltseva were all born in 2000; all but Kolomiets are eligible for the JGP next year.

    Pairs:
    Maria Vygalova - Yegor Zakroev
    Kamila Gainetdinov - Ivan Bich
    Valeria Grechukhina - Andrei Filonov
    Anastasia Gubanova - Alexey Sintsov
    Vasilisa Davankova - Andrei Deputat
    Anastasia Dolidze - Vadim Ivanov
    Alexandra Minina - Alexander Korovin
    Vlad Mishina - Alexander Kurmachev
    Oksana Nagalaty - Maxim Bobrov
    Alisa Smirnova - Vladimir Arkhipov
    Evgenia Tarasova - Vladimir Morozov
    Lina Fedorova - Maxim Miroshkin

    Dance:

    Kristina Baklanova - Andrei Bagin
    Ekaterina Bocharova - Anton Shibnev
    Anastasia Voronkova - Nikita Trushkov
    Sophia Evdokimova - Yegor Bazin
    Valeria Zenkova - Valery Sinitsyn
    Evgenia Kosygina - Nikolai Moroshkin
    Valerya Loseva - Denis Lunin
    Daria Malaeva - Vladislav Ishin
    Daria Morozova - Michael Zhirnov
    Betina Popova - Yuri Vlasenko
    Maria Simonova - Dmitry Dragun
    Alexandra Stepanova - Ivan Bukin
    Elizaveta Tretyakova - Alexander Savin
    Eva Khachaturian - Egor Eremenko
    Anna Yanovskaya - Sergei Mozgov
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  11. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    You'd be more wary of Voronov, who is the only of the Russian senior men who actually medaled on the GP series this year, has been more consistant than Menshov this year, and handily beat Menshov at nationals? Nice.
  12. ali_dorate

    ali_dorate New Member

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    Thank you!
    So Lipnitskaia won't compete here? Then she won't go to Jr. World?
    I feel sad if I can't see her at any competitions in this season.
  13. Domshabfan

    Domshabfan Well-Known Member

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    Russians dont just go by junior nationals result, since Julia did qualify for senior GPFs they can give her the positions if she is healthy enough to compete.
  14. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    is that list updated ??? :confused:
    wasn't there an interview that Julia will skip seniors but will be at junior nationals and junior worlds
  15. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Supposedly, Kovtun has been chosen to go with Plushenko and Voronov to Europeans, and Gosviani is the third lady to go.
  16. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Yes, I would. Menshov has been solid and dependable, and not prone to meltdowns. He definitely should have medalled at CoR - that Brezina was placed above him was nothing short of a disgrace. Menshov is a good skater, he did what he had to do to earn a place on the team, and he did it well. Voronov's PCS at Nationals was a joke.

    Disgraceful decision on both parts. The 6th place lady to go over the 3rd, the 5th place man to go over the 3rd. Why bother having Nationals?
  17. zotza

    zotza Active Member

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    Sotnikova was is 3rd and she's going.The girls in 4th and 5th place are not eligible so it's Nikol who is 6th the one to go.
  18. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

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    You seem to be confused about the ladies situation. Sotnikova is on the team along with Tuktamysheva and Gosviani- those were the top 3 age-eligible ladies from Nationals 2013.
  19. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

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    The 3rd lady is actually going and it's not exactly Gosviani's fault the 2nd, 4th and 5th place finishers are younger than her and not eligible yet.
  20. C_T_T_

    C_T_T_ Well-Known Member

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    The 6th place lady is not being chosen over the 3rd place lady. Sotnikova was 3rd and she is going. The girls who placed 2nd, 4th and 5th are not old enough and can't go so in the ladies they have picked the top 3 who are old enough to go.

    Anyway, before didn't they said top 2 would be chosen from nationals and the 3rd would be decided taking other things into account? So the skaters knew going in they had to finish 1st or 2nd to get their spot automatically.
  21. poths

    poths Well-Known Member

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    I might remind you that Voronov placed 4th on the Free at worlds a few years back when he was under Urmanov.
  22. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    And a few years back, Evan Lysacek became World Champion. *shrugs*
  23. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

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    Does anybody know why Plushenko didn't skate at the exhibition at Russian Nats? Was he at the medal ceremony?
  24. yaya124

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    No, he went home to Yana waiting for the baby;D
  25. love_skate2011

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    I dont think the decision is made for Worlds for the "man", maybe they are testing Kovtun same for Nikol

    Antipova/Maisuradze finished 4th at Nationals, their FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gZkfTjKY3E :cheer2:
    she reminds of Liubov with a lesser personality, I think they are compatible with technicalities huge twists, lutz throw , she might be a better jumper than Liubov

    Sakhanovich also placed 4th: eligible next season for JGP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl_AKA22cG8
  26. Kelvster

    Kelvster Well-Known Member

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    Arghhhhhh why don't they send menshov! I know that kovtun has more potential, but menshov earned his place fair and square. Menshov deserves his swan song on the big international stage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  27. hanca

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    Maybe they will send Menshov to Worlds. Pluschenko won't compete if he is not in his top shape, Kovtun will be too young/inexperienced to have such responsibility on his shoulders, so if Voronov messes up Europeans, they have only Menshov and Gachinsky to choose from for worlds. As Gachinsky is the reson for having just one spot (and Menshov beat him at nationals), I think it would be Menshov going to worlds.
  28. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Note to self: don't make assumptions based on muddled lists you read at 2:30am. It gets rather embarrassing.

    Age eligibility aside for the ladies, I question the intelligence of sending a skater who hasn't skated an international in over two years...and who doesn't even have a qualifying score, over others who do.

    He went home to be with Yana. I think that's fair enough in this case! ;)

    Um, excuse you, but no, he's not.

    There were two men for Russia at last Worlds. Gachinski didn't do that great, that's true. But neither did the much-vaunted Voronov. If Voronov is so reliable, so trustworthy and solid, shouldn't HE have secured two spots for this year? It wasn't all Gachinski. He wasn't the only one who was responsible.
  29. morqet

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    Vonorov would have had to finish in the top 10 to balance out Gachinski's awful effort in Nice, which would have required a total score of 4 more points than his previous personal best, where as the required total of 224+ points should have been well within Gachinski's capabilites. I don't think anyone reasonable would have expected Vonorov to be in the top 10 in Nice, but they would have expected Artur to do it going on his efforts at Worlds 2011 & Euros 2012. In terms of the team last year, it was Gachinski's job to be top 10 or ideally higher, and Voronov's to back it up by not being lower than 18th. We can safely say that the blame for the Russian men's situation can be laid at the former defending bronze medallist's feet more than it can at Vonorov's.

    It's a shame Menshov misses out, but I think Kovtun has done enough on the JGP & at Nationals to make a case for a trip to Zagreb, and it's nice to see the Russian Federation showing faith in him & looking to the future as Plushenko isn't going to last forever, however much he may wish he could ;) I'm looking forward to seeing him skate there!
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  30. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Much vaunted Voronov? Where the hell have you been, that kid hasn't been "vaunted" since he was a junior. And by the way, he placed ahead of Gachinski at worlds. Barely, but he did. And I doubt that anyone would be saying that Voronov was reliable or trustworthy LAST season. But he's shown decent reliability this year, and earned his chance to continue to prove himself. But then again, so did Menshov, who is totally getting screwed.
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  31. shah

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    I feel for Menshov, but I'm so happy for Gosviani!!! :)
  32. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    I suspect Menshov might make the World team since Plushenko has already stated he's not going. If I were the Russian fed, I'd rather give Kovtun a chance at Europeans as a test skating as a senior in a big event than at Worlds which will determine the number of skaters for the Olympic team. If he does well at Europeans, he'll go to Worlds. If he does not, I suspect the World team will include Menshov. The situation may suck for Menshov, but I can understand the Federations's logic. They are looking ahead to 2014 and beyond. It will be a total battle for the 2nd spot on the Olympic team in Russia. I'm reasonably confident Menshov won't be there. There is a reasonable chance Kovtun will. There is a difference in skating as a junior and a senior and I understand the decision to give him a test at a comp that isn't that important in the grand scheme of things.
  33. hanca

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    Unless whoever is sent to worlds this year delivers, there may not be second spot at Olympics!
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    Apparently not. :shuffle:
  35. Kelvster

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    on a happier note, gosviani lit up the arena yesterday by skating OUT OF THIS WORLD to finish as the 3rd best senior Russian lady. She cried in Urmanov's shoulders ..... awww ..... it must be quite frustrating for her, seeing all these other girls being given so many opportunities. She had one opportunity yesterday and took it.

    she has a nice style (balletic arm movements and beaming smile) though her jumps can be higher/done with more flow. I like the free programe music too! (Gizmo skated to it some years ago).

    OTOH, Polina K. is also v. elegant but I've kinda given up on her already in her 2nd season as a senior. Poor girl! what a fleeting sport this is ...
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  36. Blair

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    Now that I've seen Kovtun skate, I'm less supicious of the coach's council decision to send him to Euros. Not only is he pretty damn good, he's Russia's first truly CoP-friendly mens skater. All the guys in recent years have been Plushenko knock-offs to varying degrees of success, and all very much in the image of 6.0 skating. The results speak for themselves. They need to re-invest in someone now.

    Kovtun was 3 points off the bronze here with a skate that has a lot of room to grow (possibility of 3 quads, good spins and steps, young and coached by Tarasova). Although it's terrible for Menshov, this decision seems to be in the Federation's best interests.
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  37. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    All the more reason to see if Kovtun can deliver at a senior event. If he can, he goes to Worlds. If he doesn't they can go with Menshov and see what happens in regards to the Olympics. Not that it really matters since Plushenko is going if he can put on skates. He's the only real hope for a medal. The elusive 2nd spot is simply a bonus. Poor Plushenko. :lol: He goes to the Olympics and earns 3 spots for the Russian men who promptly lose them. Twice. I only hope he stays healthy one more time.
  38. hanca

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    Gosviani and Polina K's only problem is that they have been born in Russia in 1996, the same year as Adelina and Liza. In any other country (except of USA and Japan) with their current level of skating they could be their national champion. Or if they were born just 5 years earlier, they would probably make it even in Russia...
  39. ioana

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    If the other skaters would have been outstanding in their international assignments this season, I might understand. Leonova and Makarova were anything but. I see nothing wrong with giving Gosviani a chance to prove herself and gain more experience. If anything, Leonova was ridiculously held up in the long.
  40. haribobo

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    So first your argument was that its embarrassing that they are not going in order of Nationals results, and now that you found out you were incorrect about that, you're questioning the intelligence of going by Nationals results? You can't have it both ways. Pick one argument and stick with it, otherwise you make no sense. :shuffle: