Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Nov 27, 2012.
Can people just stop bashing Elena for her boyfriend choice? I somewhat understand her taste in men. Nikita might be very cute and Morozov might not be a prince, but being in a relationship with a 21 year old boy is nothing interesting. All they want to talk about is sports and cars. Boys just grow up slower than girls emotionally. In any case it's not a big deal. All these women must see something in Morozov we don't know about... For the record I dated someone older than Morozov in age when I was at Elena's age and it wasn't at all problematic.
This particular gif is ridiculously cute though. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdzt4eZPpC1rg250oo2_500.gif
can someone post a direct link?
they are beautiful together... I'm so sad...
But if she does succesfully defend her title she'll be the first since...when? It's definitely not an insignificant achievement when so many ladies, Mao included have failed to do so.
Analia - I think it's less the age factor and more that Morozov is a known player, not to mention her coach and thus in a position of power (which applied to Miki as well). He deserves all the disgust thrown at him IMO. That Elena is so young just makes it worse, though his record alone should be enough for her to know better.
For ladies, no one
Rippon - 2008 and 2009
Sui/Han - 2011 and 2012
Romaniuta/Barantsev: 2000 and 2001
I agree. Although their relationship started before she would have been considered of "legal" age in almost any other civilized country in the world, and he thus would have been subject to potential arrest of at least sanction from a governing body elsewhere, they are certainly free to have the relationship that makes them happy. He has been married and divorces now, what, 3 times. One or two of the divorces were precipitated by his impregnating someone else while married if I'm not mistaken. All of this is well documented and should certainly be no secret to a smart and savvy girl like Elena. How long will this last is a question once the cash register of support into the Olympics comes and goes, but I wouldn't bet against her and am expecting her to get the last laugh. Keep the ridiculously cute pictures coming!
They started a relationship when she was 15? Because in quite a few European countries, 16 is the legal age I think. Then again, maybe they don't count as civilized
OMG, do you really think Esquire magazine cares who the first or second pair in Russia is?
That's how legends are born.
Elena is young, but you can tell she is quite a bright girl. She speaks 3 languages fluently and always appears very sharp in her interviews. I know book smarts and relationship smarts are not the same, but I tend to think, if things were really bad, she would have the sense to get out of the relationship. Also, her mom knows about Morozov and apparently approves of them dating so, for now, I'm not too worried. If they were to get engaged or something, that would be different, but for now I'm just hoping that Elena will have the sense to leave when/if the relationship gets sour.
She needs better jump technique and skating skills more than she needs international experience. Oh and programmes where she isn't raising her leg every ten seconds.
Since when are Bazarova/Larionov the No. 2 pairs team in Russia?
I imagine that the person you dated was not your coach/teacher though.
What does she speak besides Russian and English?
Sometimes, bright people do stupid things. You do know that, don't you?
Kovtun is making a good run at silver medalist at Rus nationals.
I'm not objecting
Well two out of two golds for Russia!
Tuk didn't do well though. She doesn't seem to skate well in Russia.
And Bobrova and Soloviev beat Cappellini and Lanotte in the SD. Season's best score for them but low tech score.
well wanst Tuk coming from a flu last week ? though yes she usually doesnt do well in Russian competiitons
the testament is he not winning ever at Nationals and she bombs the SP in Russia mostly
Kovtun did well, Gachinski better watch out, he won't be needed very soon
Excited by Kovtun's win and great skating, but afraid the pressure on him is going to be huge now hopefully he can handle it well!
Um, seriously? Gachinski hasn't been "needed" at all, period. They just dust off the threat of Plushenko from time to time, and the other male skaters get tossed in the broom closet (not saying that's not often where they belong).
well Gachsinki was their " Best " skater since Plushy was on and off the ice
but I do see potential to the new younger russians like Kovtun or Petrov, they remind me of the old style Russian men who had more masculine stype of skating back in the early 90's , I don't know what happened to Gachinki, It certainly cant be pressure, he is not even in Top 3 atm in Russia, Menshov and Voronov have outscored him
But the fact is, Gachinski hasn't been their "best" skater since he won the surprise World's bronze. He's had no consistent follow-up to that, and has progressively worsened to the point that, as you say, Menshov and Voronov have throughout this season beaten him. He's never been their "thing" or "needed" at all, not while Plushenko still breathes and walks.
Tuk tends to be very bad in short programs. She can usually have a really good free skate but not a sp.
I guess the world bronze and euro silver created expectations for success within gachinski that he just can't handle. Mishin said something like that
Yeah and in addition to that he said something about a "second puberty". Makes sense since he had a second growth spurt this season.
Vera Bazarova interview: http://news.sport-express.ru/2012-12-07/553741/
EV: Vera, it must have been difficult for you, when in autumn, the doctors insisted on surgery for your injured hip?
Vera Bazarova (VB): It wasn't simple. First, the fact that we had to withdraw from Nebelhorn Trophy wasn't pleasant. Secondly, it was hard not to think that if the injury gets worse, surgery will be necessary anyway, and then the first half of the season will be wasted. The most difficult was to make a decision.
EV: Did the injury cause you much pain?
VB: No. The leg just felt very weak sometimes. Massages were the only thing that could help, and I still continue to do them. It allows to keep legs in working condition. Now I almost don't favor the leg neither on jumps nor on throws - do all the elements full force.
EV:This season, you said that you were able to change your skating thanks to the help of the choreographer Liudmila Vlasova. What did you learn from her?
VB:Liudmila Iosifovna teaches us to always remember about our emotions, posture, choregraphy. We worked with her last season, when we came to Novogorsk to train, we learned how to express the feelings, emotions on ice. It was her who helped us to find the right balance. She is present at our every practice, and even when we are very tired, she can find the right words to make us interested in the work we do again.
EV: Whose idea was to invite Vlasova to your team?
VB: It was our mutual decision. It wasn't very pleasant to listen constantly to press and the federation saying that our skating doesn't evoke any feelings, that we can only do the elements, and as for performance, not only don't express emotions, but sometimes don't even look at each other.
EV: Not to offend you, but it was how it looked.
VB: Do I argue that it didn't? That's why we were so captured by our collaboration with Vlasova. It was for her that we had, in fact, moved to Novogorsk from Saransk, and work there constantly. Even during the off-season we did the barre work and choreography in the class. I like working with her a lot. Liudmila Iosifovna inspires just by being in the class. She is a legendary woman who had a unique life in art.
EV: Did she tell you her story?
VB: I read about it a lot, and even watched a movie based on her biography. When my parents learned who I am to work with, they were impressed even more than I was. They couldn't believe that our chorographer is the Vlasova...
^ Wow, very candid interview! Thanks, quiqie!
I think this GPF showed their improvement to the best of their abilities. That was really magical.
well now Diva Vera and her manservant must be very thrilled becoming Russian No.2
Tuk was injury again
I dont think its serious, Tuk was at the Gala
Maybe..but how many jumps she has in gala number? I can't see the sense of that lie.... if she lied
I think she was referring to overcame an injury the one she had in summer and not in top form
I think she had knee problems maybe because she did she said on her twitter she had a severe colds that kept
her in hospital for almost 1 week and started training again 1 week before the GPF ,
I guess Zhulin is training them for pairs now...
Can anyone kindly provide me with a complete list of the senior skaters for Russian Nationals? We are setting up the prediction contest for National competitions.
Thanks so much!
Nice to hear that Vera and Yuri are working with Ludmilla Vlasova (sorry, I had not heard of her, but I will read her life story sometime). I do see how much they have improved. However, the haters will not see any improvement in them. BTW those who are bashing Vera for her jumps need to realize that she is actually jumping with an injured hip. I applaud her for it. It shows her determination. Surgery would have meant writing off the whole season. My only concern is can she avoid the surgery for that long? The Olympics are just 14 months away.
There is no complete list yet, just preliminary one: http://www.fskate.ru/results/tour/1134.html
Thanks quiqie, this helps me at least get started working on the database!
The full list is up with detailed qualification results:
Thank you very much for the links.
I guess Evgenia Medvedeva is/was injured and couldn't qualify?
ETA: No Plushenko on the men's side?
Thanks for posting the links - I've transliterated all the names in a new Russian Nationals entries/info thread in Kiss and Cry:
Plushenko's name is still not listed.
Separate names with a comma.