Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Nov 27, 2012.
This. Sad that Bazarova/Larionov won't be there, though.
WTF is with injuries this season? It's getting worse by the day I so hoped for B/L's medal at the Euros. They have had such a great season until the Russian nationals. Oh well...
While I am happy for S/K- I like them, and am happy that they are getting their chances on International stage- Europeans without Bazarova/ Larionov and Pechalat/ Bourzat are much poorer Europeans. B/L were tremendous at GPF, I hoped to see their streak continuing.
Here to hoping S/K do very well at Europeans and B/L are healthy and ready for Worlds!!! This is a bad year for injuries.
well, last year we had Europeans without Savchenko-Szolkovy. It's life. I will really miss Bazarova - Larionov, I really like them, but at least some other skaters in Russia get their chance. It is quite sad that with such a high level of skating, only three entries can be in each category per country. It is wrong that Bronze European medallist did not qualify for Europeans because of the high level of competition in their country! I do wish the limits per country would be abolished.
aren't we a bit overdramatic here, they'll be be back its a hand injury I dont think its a season ender for B/L
though I gotta say Stolbova/Klimov are darn pretty lucky since last season they have capitalized on others injuries/mistakes to win a medal, lol
I meant that I will miss them at Europeans. It is my only competition that I will see live this year, and they did seem to be quite strong this season. What's wrong with saying that I would miss my favourite skaters? It is always better to see skaters live than on the TV and if I can attend only one competition per year, it shouldn't be surprising that I want to see there the skaters I like.
sorry, nothing really, I thought by that you meant it will be a heavy injury of B/L
im jealous you get to se eit live I'd dont have that much privilidge or to ask my parents enough to go places atm
hope you enjoy euros !
To be honest, I am wondering whether it is really only hand injury, or if it is something more serious. Vera had some hip problem (her landing leg) at the beginning of the season, and although they were strong at GPF, they missed Russian nationals because of 'problems with his boots', now Europeans because of his 'hand injury'... I was wondering whether her injury is still causing trouble and they don't want to say it publicly because the judges would be watching them more carefully if they thought that she is injured ... When Virtue was injured, she kept it quiet for a year.
Well CL and BS are both a mistake above IK (pretty visible at Sochi where BS fell and still beat IK)
kwanfan, I just went back and checked, and it looks like I was right and you were wrong.
Ladies' Entries for Euros
On this list, the first number is the ordinal for the entry, and the second is the ordinal for the federation.
There are 36 entries and 29 federations/countries.
So my original point is valid. The ISU's stated reason for the current qualifying system was to reduce the number of entries, and that is exactly what has been accomplished.
Yes, you are right.
And don't forget the black eye
Maxim Trankov's father has died...
OMG! My condolences!
I guess it's Nikolai. It seems that he has a drinking problem. Before Vancouver he insulted Japanese figure skating fan in a bar
Really? I just followed his dad on Instagram yesterday or 2 days ago.. Too sad
He was only 62 Condolences to the Trankov family.
My condolences to Maxim and his family
That is simply unbelievable I've seen him online in one of the Russian social networks just several days ago.... I don't believe it. Can't be
He has more then a drinking problem from what i am told
OMG this is so horrible
Condolences to the Trankov family.
The article also says Maxim decided to to to Euros but will fly back to Russia on the 24th after the FS in order to attend his father's funeral in Perm.
What horrible news! This is so very sad!
Condolences to Maxim and his family. What a brave decision to skate at Euros.
Bobrova and Soloviev are European Champs!!!
Now It looks like kovtun is going to worlds- the plan all along! Lol.
He may face just a little pressure to place in the top 10. Better not do 4 combos!
Does the number of spots on Olympic team depend on the performance at this Worlds?
At this point the Russians don't have any better option then sending the kid. Just what happened to the Russian program that there are no good 21-25 year old skaters who are decent? It seems like it's either guys in their late 20's or they are young like Kovtun.
Yes, up to the Olympic quota (24 in singles). The other 6 spots (singles) are filled at the Olympic qualifier (Nebelhorn), or 5 if the host doesn't qualify, since the host is always guaranteed a spot.
With all of the talk about how Plushenko didn't want to go against the Japanese skaters and Chan at Worlds before Sochi, skating that injured and so diminished at Euros is likely to put a serious dent in his aura of invinceabilty that made his challengers at last year's Euros psych themselves out. It would be silly to count him out if he can duct tape himself up for one last stand in Sochi, but Kovtun, despite the extra combo, showed that he can skate well under pressure, not only against his teammate in competition, but with the weight of knowing that his Euros appearance had such vocal disapproval from some coaches, officials, and fellow skaters.
It's really too bad that given the state of his health Plushenko didn't withdraw, giving Menshov the spot and a chance on a level playing field.
I don't know maybe it was unfair to send Kovtun but I do kind of see where the Russian fed was coming from. Menshov doesn't have a long term future, and Kovtun IS their future. One could argue overall even though it was juniors Kovtun was far better throughout the season.
So I guess it's 2 men skaters max. for Olympics assuming Kovtun is top 10 this Worlds. Even in this case one of the three (Plushenko, Kovtun, or Gachinski won't) be there.
Ohh, so Kovtun did an extra combo... I didn't pick up on that watching in real time, and wondered why the score was low. He acquitted himself very nicely after all the criticism... this is what the Russian men really need.... someone mentally strong.
So is it for sure Kovtun will go worlds? He deserves it but Euros, JW, and Worlds is a bit much, he might run out of gas. I do feel bad for Voronov, he's really had a great season and it would suck for him not to go to Worlds, then again, he has only himself (well and Artur) to blame.
While Kovtun was clearly the dominant Russian junior, Samarin got two 3rds in JGP and Petrov a silver. Petrov was 13 and Samarin was 14 by July 2012, so they're both eligible for Jr. Worlds.
Kovtun should be more important to the Russian Fed at Senior Worlds than Junior Worlds, especially if Euros is any indication that Plushenko might not be able to rally for Sochi. Kovtun's clearly capable of making Top 10 at Worlds, especially if he doesn't lose points for extra combos; he would have needed +1 GOE on a 3S instead of the disallowed combination to squeak past Joubert at Euros. Even though it's best to have an heir and a spare, having only a king is risky in any case, especially if he's not up to both programs in the Team Competition.
The chances that Kovtun would win silver or gold at Worlds are slim, so two spots are the most reasonable to hope for from him, and that would be formidable.
Kovtun has moved to seniors with no junior competition return I bet. I think he just trains for worlds and hope he can do top 10. I wouldn't it's likely enough to bet on but it's possible.
Gosviani going to worlds is also interesting. Total new team in ladies probably.
Has it been announced Gosviani is going to worlds? I would think the Russian fed might still want a test skate between her and Leonova...
6 is a good placement, but her score may be too low. I don't think it's certain RF would sent Nikol to Worlds.
I honestly would have Leonova/Nikol do a skate off... I do think Nikol deserves consideration. She's showing that her Nationals placement was no "one hit wonder"
The final cup of Russia is the skateoff - that didn't happen yet did it? Lol menshov says it never means anything
I was thinking Kovtun would want JW for the title and the ranking points. But if I'm looking at it correctly, he can only get points for only one championship... he'd get 500 for winning JW but he has already exceeded that by getting 551 for finishing 5th at Euros. So it's only the prestige of the title that matters, and I guess it will be up to TAT, but probably she'd rather see him at Worlds.
Yes, her score is too low and I think it unlikely that she would be able to break into the top 10 at Worlds. The sensible choice is to send Leonova and maximise the chances of obtaining the 3 spots for the home Olympics.
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