From Russia with love - Summer through Autumn 2013

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by allezfred, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, actually is Leonova eligible? No idea if she's in the usual sport university classes, but she is in the right age bracket at least. Universiades were more on par with Senior B's (don't think they even had min score requirements in the past).

    eta: How are the # of spots determined? quiqie mentioned 3 spots for Russia, but Artemieva was 10th in 2011?

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wu2011/CAT002RS.HTM
     
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  2. DobrinFan

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    Each country gets 3 spots in all categories:

    figure skating universaide site http://www.universiadetrentino.org/it/pattinaggio-artistico
     
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  3. ioana

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    ^Aa, that makes sense. Thanks!
     
  4. hanca

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    The question shouldn't be if Leonova is eligible, but if she would be better choice than Biryukova. :shuffle:

    To be fair, Leonova did skate better at the SP than I expected. However, from the last worlds I remember that she was landing toe jumps, it was the edge jumps (loop, Salchow and axel) that she couldn't land to save her life. In the SP today she was doing toe-toe and flip, so again toe jumps. She can get away with that in the SP, but she will be seriously limited in the FS if she will avoid the edge jumps or mess them up. Oh well, we will see tomorrow!
     
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  6. caseyedwards

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    Love the najinski part! It's so striking. Reminded me totally of his peak performance -Russian nationals 2004.
     
  7. Tinami Amori

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    He is fantastic..... given he is just few months out of a back surgery, in pain, taking 4 pain shots a day.

    here are his interviews in Russian mentioning that. He sais he is hurting and can't skate without shots.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3FUr3mv_xo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUcWvMm_9pRtkybqpmZIn5kQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGS1iAchjtw&list=UUcWvMm_9pRtkybqpmZIn5kQ
     
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  9. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    I expect him to WD from ROC if he's got all the necessary scores. He will need to do Russian nationals, probably skip Europeans and save it for those 4 skates in Sochi. Although, I suspect Russia would have no problems with him skipping Nationals. He doesn't really need it either since they can send whomever they want to Sochi.
     
  10. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Gorgeous!

    I had some trouble recognising the music though. I didn't get the opening, then there was Tosca, the Godfather, Nijinsky...I didn't recognise the next part...then it was back to Tosca, and I didn't recognise the ending.
     
  11. DobrinFan

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    You summed up some of my thoughts exactly!!! :lol:

    2nd (better?) video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ni6gOLbrU
     
  12. senorita

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    I hope he withdraws from everything till Sochi, i m afraid of the screws getting loose.
    Are there almost all skaters doing the same, waiting for the second half to release all the jumps? Well he learnt to do it too. Five jumps after half mark :hat1:
    The opening, it is St Peterburg 300, then Godfather, Nijinski, Tango Roxanne, Tosca (the Marton version), I think Adagio at the very end with a guitar of something else.
     
  13. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    A 3/5 layout from Plushy with 3a-3t and and three jump combo in the bonus? Hell yeah. Where was that in Vancouver!? Sigh.

    There's actually a nice spread on his PCS marks. From 7.00 for transitions to 10.00 for performance/execution. He says this is 80% of what he can do. I think presentation-wise he can do much better. This was basically a practice session/test skate that happened to be scored, IMO. I expect way more energy.

    Level 4 steps, level 3 and 4 spins. Even if the marks were inflated, the base value 74.13 beats Chan's at SC and is behind Hanyu by about two points (he got credit for a 4sal, but he fell on it). Machida's is much higher at 80.66.

    The good news is that he's competitive on base value and the judges like him and give him high PCS... and that is CoP in a nutshell.
     
  14. kwanfan1818

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    With TES of 88.71 in the FS, I'd say he :kickass: the TES Minimums for the Olympics: it's nearly twice the 45-point minimum.

    It wasn't in Vancouver because he went on a crash diet and crash training program to even get there, plus I think he took a little too much for granted given the shape he was in and still almost won another gold.

    ETA: The power just went out on our block where I'm visiting in Seattle as I was trying to post this, so he must still have superpowers.
     
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  15. NadineWhite

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    OMG, thanks so much, DobrinFan, for the video! :encore:

    I got chills watching it, like I was back in the audience at the 2010 Olympics watching him skate live, and even better, Holy Smokes! :kickass: Honestly, if it's at all possible I think he skates even better, his jumps are perfection, and his passion intense. If he's skating like this already I can only imagine what it will look like come the Olympics in his homeland. :cool: But more than anything I would love to see him add an 11th National Title to his resume; he already holds the Russian record, as well as tieing 9 other men in all-time National Record Holders, but with an 11th National Title he would be on an even more select list that includes John Ferguson Page (Britain), Oliver Honer (Switzerland), and Werner Rittberger (Germany; 3-time World Silver Medalist, 4-time European Medalist, creator of the 3R jump). The all-time National Record Holder is Ivan Dinev of Bulgaria with 14 (btw he's married to Angela Nikodinov). :) Additionally, if Evgeni competes at Europeans and wins he'll tie Karl Schafer (Austria; 2-time Olympic Gold Medalist) with 8 European Titles (only Ulrich Salchow has more at 9; all-time Record Holder). :cool:

    I've already bookmarked his FS; my favorite part is the Nijinsky one of course. :smokin:
     
  16. Ziggy

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    Plushenko's programs are very basic and very empty and he is slow. Kudos to him for landing the jumps despite his numerous injuries but if judges at ISU comps give him high PCS for this... :scream:
     
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  17. Kasey

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    He already has screws loose, to even contemplate still competing after all of his injuries, let alone doing it.

    I have great respect for his tenacity and his commitment. The program, as usual, is another whole story.... :blah:
     
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  18. NadineWhite

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    He loves to skate, what can one say, and I love to watch him skate! :encore:

    sorry for the egregious comment, but I just had to, lol. :D

    Now off to watch his FS for the umpth time. ;)
     
  19. jdonavan

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    jumps look better than Vancouver…i'll drink the kool aid and give him respect for an amazing career, which I'm assuming the music choices are in homage to…Hope he can finish strong at home in Sochi
     
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  20. alchemy void

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    Amazing jumps.

    In between the elements it almost looked like a practice session with just plain skating. I'm assuming he will add some more CH and hip thrusts as the season progresses? :) I actually don't mind the music cuts...actually I think using the "best of Plushenko" is a brilliant strategy by Mr. Mishin.

    Mad :respekt: to Plushenko, though. It is so good for the sport if he can skate in Sochi. A little perspective: he won junior worlds freaking 16 years ago!
     
  21. FSfan107

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    Seriously, what was with all the 9's? I know this was a home competition of some sort, but you'd think the judges would want to maintain some credibility. I respect his longevity, but his basic skating which wasn't that strong to begin with has taken such a hit with all of the injuries.
     
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  22. rfisher

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    :rofl: Such a terrible skater and to think he has 2 Olympic silver medals, an Olympic gold medal, junior and senior World championships, multiple European championships, National championships, GP wins.....all while being a terrible skater. I guess all those other skaters he competed against were people who just walked in off the street and they let skate. At the Olympics. Three times. And one of those times he hadn't even competed in the previous 4 years. Go figure.

    He and his coach have been very up front that the programs are not at full strength or even complete. All he needed here was the qualifying scores, which he got handily. He's shown time and time again that he is a fierce competitor. I wouldn't count him out until we see how he skates in Sochi.
     
  23. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Again I want to point out he did 5 jumping passes in the second half of the program including the 3axel-3toe. In 2009-10 he was doing 3 jumping passes in the second half and in Torino he did only two! I did not bother watching his 6.0 programs to count the jumps (no protocols there for easy lookup) but given the frontloading that was rampant then, I'm pretty sure this was a first for Plushy. That alone is an incredible accomplishment for him. The steps were level 4 in both programs and the spins were levels 3 and 4. Remember this is someone for whom those elements were a rest period from the time he started training, who never knew there would be a judging system counting all the steps and edges. I forgot who it was but there was a recent interview with a coach who said she was impressed just seeing him struggle to do all those positions in his spins he's never had to do. Must be humbling.

    I wish he'd go back to the Saint-Saens LP from last year because it would be more deserving of the PCS he got here, but I can imagine how motivating it must feel skating to all the music from all his gold medal programs. I wish he'd have included "Tango Amore" cause I like it better than "Godfather."

    Honestly as a fan I was worried he would skate here and be like 50 points behind Chan, Fernandez and the Japanese guys... all I wanted was for him to still be part of the conversation... even I underestimate him.
     
  24. Ziggy

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    Only nobody said that he is a terrible skater.

    He has terrible programs. Which should receive TR in the 1-2 range and not much more for CH.
     
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  25. senorita

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    ^ i didnt see transitions but i saw choreo, greatest hits one :)
    He went from one side of the rink to the other with two strokes in his prime time. He could hold the stupiest landings, he was holding the edge on landings for long, i used to love that. If your basics suck, how can you even come back like 3 times after a hiatus and learn new stuff at 25 +?Who learns spin positions at 30? Even Cousins at Vancouver he said he loves his twizzles for a singles skater.
     
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  26. ChelleC

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    Exactly. And that program was just as much of a hot mess as I thought it would be, was seriously laughing so much I was crying while watching it.
     
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  27. elka_sk8

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    10s for performance/execution? Huh. But I'll admit I was never the biggest Plushenko fan. :slinkaway:
     
  28. JJS5056

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    As Ziggy already said, nobody called Plushenko a terrible skater, so no need for the dramatics. There are questions over the legitimacy of his PCS and you've stated right here that even Plushenko and Mishin said the programs aren't complete/100% - I can't imagine skaters with even the best components scoring 9's with programs that they admit aren't full strength, so it's a valid concern.
     
  29. caseyedwards

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    Only if you think transitions is judged on Spread eagles or like moves before jumps.
     
  30. rfisher

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    :lol: concern for whom? Are you the skating police? What are you or anybody who is "concerned" going to do? Protest to the ISU? :rofl: