From Russia with love - Summer through Autumn 2013

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by allezfred, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    No Tuktamisheva has not had a clean short program at all, but even though they are all bad they are becoming less catastrophic as the season is progressing! Ando and Tuktamisheva TES is like 30 each but Ando is ahead on PCS because of course Liza desperately needs new choreography having done all the same SP's and LP's since she became a senior. As long as Tuktamisheva has the SP problems she can go anywhere and find herself beaten. She was beaten by Leonova at 2013 worlds. Being beaten by Leonova at 2013 worlds couldn't have been a stronger signal to change every single thing about her skating on every level.
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    Liza only was beaten by Leonova in the SHORT program at Worlds...she beat her in the FS by over 15 points. Big difference. With 2 falls in the SP, anyone would be lucky to even qualify for the FS, so really, Liza's problems are more about bombing SPs and less about her skating, which is good ad evidenced by her many high FS scores.
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    I think just losing to leonova in the sp was a sign to change things. Even though she overtook her in the fs she lost to her in the sp. Tuktamishevas stubbornly low PCS is also a problem though. Some have argued it's because she always bombs sps so she never skates late and judges pcs scores go up as an event progresses but it's true even at GPfs she's been to. Only 6 skaters.
  4. Moka-Ananas

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    btw: What happened to Gorshkova/Butikov? Haven't seen them all season. Did they finally retire?
  5. love_skate2011

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    Lipnitskaya FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cGAshgkn9E

    she took out her 3lz-2t and went for 3Lo-2t, no use anyways doing harder lutz combo as she got called on here and she left out her second 2A combo jump 2A-3T
    still room for improvements, but she bounced back after her disaster CoR FS
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    They were 7th at 2012 nationals :rolleyes: Must have retired now.
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    Reposting from Kiss and Cry, some quotes from the GPF

    Junior ladies:

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20131206/706052990.html

    Maria Sotskova: “I was very nervous before the free skate. I don’t like to skate last, it’s very difficult for me. I’m usually pacing back and forth and thinking a lot. When I was in the warm-up room, I had so much on my mind, I didn’t know what to do with it. But my choreographer helped me, saying: “You have to put your fear into the box”. I took toilet paper and put it in my backpack, it’s still in there.” “The main lesson of this Final is that there is nothing impossible. I had a superstition that if I’m in first after the short, it’s hard to skate in the free. But today I went out, not thinking about the first place, and did everything I could.” She says that in the beginning of the season her only goal was to make the JGP final to earn a trip to Japan: “My mother said: “I had a childhood dream to visit Japan. And I decided I will work for my mom. I did my best at my two Grand-Prix events to get to the Final. After Ostrava, I thought I might not make it. But when I realized that I’m in the Final, I was very happy and started to prepare. And here I am, I won the very first (JGP) Final in my life. And my mom is in the stands, worrying about me. I mean, now she is probably already happy.”

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20131206/706054749.html

    Serafima Sakhanovich: “I skated very well. Too bad about the double Axel, I lost a bet with my coach. We made a bet that if I have a minus on at least one element, I will wear a costume of one of the boys from our training group at the ice rink. He’s already worn mine, because I skated a clean program at my last event. Now it’s my turn.” She says that the most important thing is that she gained confidence skating at the big events: “Now I will know that such competitions aren’t scary. I felt slightly unsteady on my feet, just a little bit. I won’t be nervous at all from now on. My goal for the Final was to be in the top three and to skate cleanly. The next goal – to make the Junior Worlds team and hopefully skate well there.” She thanked her parents for their support: “My parents were very nervous, I usually ask them not to call me because it interrupts the preparation for the skate. But they called after the short, said that I did great and not to relax until the free program is over, and I’m very thankful for that.”

    http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/...706055408.html

    Evgenia Medvedeva: “I liked a lot skating in the Grand-Prix Final. I like the nerve before the skate. At first it’s annoying, you feel uncomfortable, but after the event you want more. To skate several times in a row.” She said she liked the place where the event was held: “I really liked the city. It’s so nice and beautiful, mountains and the sea is nearby. The air is amazing.” She says her mistake in the free because she forgot which combo she had to do: “I was supposed to do a Salchow-toe combo. Jumps didn’t work so well because of my injury, and we changed the program. The beginning was the same as the old one, and in the second half I remembered I used to do a double Axel – triple toeloop there. I realized that I’m doing something wrong only in the air – as a result, underrotation and a fall.” She says she started skating because she saw Evgeni Plushenko: “My mother was a figure skater, she even was a champion in Moscow in figures. But it was my own desire to skate. As a child, I saw Evgeni Plusheko and decided I want to skate like him”.

    http://fsrussia.ru/news/958_adyan-pi...ilno-pribavil/

    Adian Pitkeev: “I have to learn a quad jump by the next season. I never tried it yet. My coaches wouldn’t let me. My first element was 3A-3T, I did it well, but they said it could have been better. At first, I was really nervous, couldn’t skate freely. But then it got better, and it was a pleasure to skate.” Not upset to lose to Boyang Jin: “He does two quads. And he got TES of 88 points. He is a deserved winner. I’m quite content as it is, because it was my first Final, and I take home a medal.” “I didn’t think about (placement), when I came here. Of course, I wanted a medal. But the main goal was to skate well, and I did.” About training partners: “Of course, it’s motivating. You want to get to the certain level, maybe to achieve something. We train on the same ice. The atmosphere in our group is great. Sometimes we play football with Sergei Voronov for an Axel. We are all good friends.” “I made a big progress in this season. I’ve grown up a lot, but it didn’t hurt me. And I started taking training more seriously.” On why he chose skating: “I watched Alexei Yagudin’s Olympic skate and told my mom I wanted to be like him. She took me to the ice rink. At first, it didn’t work. My dad insisted I switched to football. But mine and my mother’s desire prevailed. I was four at the time. As my mother says, I barely learned to speak and immediately said I wanted to skate.” On when he realized that skating is a serious business: “When I realized that I didn’t really know anything else. I started to give skating everything I had” On how he would estimate his skating (on a scale from 1 to 5): “Four minus, because there is still a room for improvement skating-wise. I jump well, but I need to work on skating skills and spins. Then it’ll be much better.”

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20131206/706067882.html

    Volosozhar/Trankov said they expected Aliona Savchenko and Robin Szolkowy’s high scores didn’t come as a surprise for them:
    MT: “We saw in practices that they ditched the 3A throw, so it was clear they will get higher marks here. But we have to look at ourselves. Our PB is 83 points, we need to get at least 82, and we do so at the last four events. They have a room for growth, and we need to keep up with the level.” “We are satisfied with our skate, but we can do better. We got cautious towards the end, didn’t want to make a mistake on a simple element. Didn’t go all out. The death spiral, the spin, the lift – we can do with more flair. But we were just being careful.”
    MT says he expected a bigger score: “We thought that maybe the judges could give us a little bit more for a good skate at the GPF, where we coped with our nerves. But, in principle, this is a fair score.” He says he’s been a little bit distracted by final exams and thesis defence in the university he attends: “I had almost no rest, I prepared for the exam, then there was a thesis defence. We even had to change a little bit the training schedule because of my exam. But it was a pleasant distraction, I graduated from the university, I’m very happy about that, it’s my second degree”

    http://fsrussia.ru/news/959_tatyana-...na-sopernikov/

    (About skating after the Germans):
    MT: We’ve heard their scores, but we had a margin. We knew we could get over 80 points if we do everything. But there was a pressure, because all our rivals are here.
    TV: GPF equals six best skaters at the Worlds, that’s why it is always a very big responsibility. Today we coped with ourselves and therefore, we are happy.
    (On how to compete with the best):
    TV: You have to skate cleanly.
    MT: You know you can make no mistakes, because every little one is dangerous. More pressure. More concentration.
    TV: Plus, it’s the only competition before the Olympic Games when we compete against the Canadians, the Americans.
    (On keeping in top shape):
    MT: I can’t say we’re keeping it. Nina Mikhailovna (Mozer) dialed it down a bit after Skate America. You can say we’re in average shape now. We weren’t in top shape in Japan at the NHK. And now we aren’t 100% ready.
    TV: It’s our coach’s business. She controls the process. We do what she says.
    MT: Our goal is to skate even when we are not 100%. When we get to the top shape, maybe we will be unreachable.
    (About Maxim’s exams):
    MT: It was a distraction, of course, because I studied all the time, but it was pleasant, I’m happy I graduated and got a second degree. Ofc, we had to adjust the plan. I had to miss the practice completely once, when I had an exam.
    (About skating today):
    MT: In general, we are satisfied with our skate, but we can do better. We got cautious towards the end, didn’t want to make a mistake on a simple element. We didn’t go all out. The death spiral, the spin, the lift – we can do with more flair. We are not quite content with some elements today. But we tried to be careful.
    (About the possibility of the new world record):
    MT: We thought that since we skated last in the Final and coped with our nerves, maybe the judges could give us a little bit more. But, in principlewe understood that we skated to our 82 points, because we felt that we got the death spiral just barely. Everything was calculated, each rotation. Everything was sharp.
    TV: There was no margin.
    MT: When we felt a bit shaky before the step sequence, we did it extra carefully, in order not to stumble anywhere. Maybe that’s why the impression was lost a bit, but we are content. Did everything in style. For the first time did a twist well in the short. There are upsides to everything.

    http://fsrussia.ru/news/976_anna-pogorilaya-na-trenirovke-my-peredelali-aksel/

    Anna Pogorilaya: «We changed the Axel during practice»

    «In the free, Axel was okay. I stumbled a bit on the first, because it was in the second part of the program and I was exhausted. I don't know how my legs held. Because of that, in the end I skated slower, and I finished after the music has ended. And missed the flip.
    I felt my legs were barely functioning, and I tried to go ahead of the music a bit. After the Lutz-toeloop combo the music accents the second step, and I did the first. I tried to speed up without messing the other elements. I did the donut spin to the music. Then I had a small break before the StSq, while usually I don't. It's such kind of music, you have to accentuate it, although the legs already hurt.
    My intention i the free program was not to climb up, but to overcome myself. I closed off a little after the short. I tried to concentrate on the skate, to do what I can.
    We changed the Axel just before the free program. I used to enter into the Axel with both my shoulders forward, and my coach have watched all my previous performances and said that I did a one-sided entry, and my shoulders acted as counterweights, and I didn't break the circle. After that, everything fell into place and I did the jump.
    My coach said it's not my competition yet. Said I should relax and try to enjoy the skating. My goal was to skate well at the Grand Prix events to increase my ranking. But we realized that I wouldn't finish in the top three unless some super miracle happened. Super, because it was already a miracle that I made it to the Final.»

    http://fsrussia.ru/news/975_adelina-sotnikova-perenervnichala/

    Adelina Sotnikova: «Can't say (what was the reason for such performance). Burned out. Overthinking, perhaps.
    I didn't feel the pressure. I don't know what happened. I did the first element, and then something went wrong. I can't explain what.
    I tried (to fight until the end and to smile). It's just, when the short is good, then some signal lights up: the short is over, now there's only a free left. And something goes wrong.»

    http://fsrussia.ru/news/974_yuliya-lipnickaya-ya-mogu-borotsya-i-dolzhna/

    Julia Lipnitskaya: «I really had to fight for landings today. In Canada, I just skated and didn't think much. And here I had to fight. It's not that something was wrong, but I had to control each element.
    I tried not to show it, but I was nervous. I thought something might go wrong again. What happened in Moscow, it was really unexpected. I thought, what if it happens again. I had to fight. At least, I did everything I could here.
    (The free skate in the Final was worse than in Canada, but better, than in Moscow) Yes. Plus the scoring in Japan — I think, it was fair. No one gets any slack.
    (About the shout before the program in Moscow): It came out of nowhere. You're about to start a program, and there is a shout. I didn't even understand what he said. I was told later that that was an encouragement. It was supposed to help. But to be honest, I don't think that that was a reason for my mistakes in Moscow. Nothing worked that day the way it should, from the very beginning.
    (If she could ask the fans not to shout anymore) No, I don't think I would. I can't say it's bad. It should't knock me off, it can happen anytime anywhere at any competition.
    I got a very valuable experience in Moscow. When the Federation officials came to visit us, a week after the Rostelecom Cup, Valantin Nikolaevitch (Piseev) shouted something when I was preparing to skate, to help me to cope with that. I skated well that day, by the way.
    (The Rostelecom Cup) was a week ago, but I have changed. I can't say I fought there. After the the first mistakes, something happened to me. Here, I can't say I was shaking, but it was a bit rough, I don't know whether it was because of nerves or because I had to show everything I could, but I fought. And my coach said, Julia, the you fought, good for you.
    I didn't set any goal for the Final, I skated for myself, tried to redeem myself for the poor performance in Moscow, to make it clear that I can fight and should fight.
  8. lala

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    Thank you !!!!!!!!!! :)
  9. Kasey

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    Congrats to Voronov and Gachinsky, who were first and second at Golden Spin in Zagreb! Keep on making Kovtun work, boys!
  10. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Here is my Gachinski fan-card, I am handing it over because I am such a bad fan that I didn't even realise he was competing at Golden Spin. *facepalm*

    But pleased to see he and Voronov are gonna fight Kovtun for it!
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    http://www.croskate.hr/Html/GSp13_Men_FS_Scores.pdf the protocoll
  12. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    *beaming* Two quads, two triple Axels (one in boss combination), only other jump error looks to me to be a popped 3Lz (2Lz), level 3s and 4s on spins and steps, tons of positive GOE...

    I knew it wasn't over yet for him!

    Voronov's protocol looks pretty boss too - two quads, two triple Axels (I think he fell on the 2nd one if I'm reading it right), three level 4s and a level 3, positive GOE on everything except the fallen 3A.

    They're not just going to lie down and let Kovtun have the spot scot-free. I love it!
  13. NadineWhite

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    I finally got around to watching the Jr. Ladies GPF on IN, and I have to say I was very very impressed with Serafima Sakhanovich. :watch::eek::cool: Her jumps are out of this world, and practically all done in "Tano" style, even those outrageous 3/3 combos! :kickass: I thought she would have won, but am not surprised that Maria Sotskova's pretentious artsy costume, et al did so. But this is a good wakeup call for Serafima to do the same, though I would hope that Serafima's artistic development was natural and not put on. Either way it's going to be interesting to watch her progress over the years. :) And on another (+) note, she looks like a senior, not a junior, and is done growing. :cool:
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    Well it looks like the girls who aren't age elligible for Sochi, or at least a lot of them, ARE going to be there this year...Proklova, Medvedeva, and Sakhanovich are at least, plus Radionova though I never for a moment thought they wouldn't let her compete.
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    This year here was introduced a new rule that under 14 can't compete at Russian senior nationals (so that means that some of those who are not eligible for Sochi still could compete, such as Radionova). However, this week they decided to make exception for Proklova and Sakhanovich (and Sotskova but she apparently decided not to compete). Medvedeva was able to compete anyway because she is 14. Russian Federation run on a calendar year, whereas ISU and eligibility for junior/senior competition runs on a year starting 1st July. So although Medvedeva, Sakhanovich and Proklova became eligible for junior grand prix at the same season, only Medvedeva would be eligible for nationals, which was not fair towards the other three young ladies who qualified to JGPF.
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    I am curious about Kawaguchi-Smirnov. Are they training and how far have they come since the injury? They are listed as Alternates for the nationals, so I am thinking that they are nowhere near the shape to compete.
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    He was cleared by his doctors to go on the ice on December 14th and Oleg Vasiliev said in a interview he is two weeks ahead of that date. They knew Russian Nationals was too soon to compete but they are shooting for being ready for Europeans and they hope to be selected.

    Here is a new interview

    http://fsrussia.ru/news/998_aleksandr-smirnov-zhalko-chto-ne-uspevayu-k-chempionatu-rossii/

    This is from Google Translate, it's off in some spots but you get the jist.

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    Thanks Julieann. I wonder if they can make it to the Euros and if they medal there, will the RSF give them the 3rd Olympics spot? Considering how much help they received, the RSF must think highly of them.
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    I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, whoever the fed select to go to Europeans should automatically be the ones to go to the Olympics. S/K have been skating really well lately so if they win nationals and do fairly well at Europeans, even if they are beat by the Italians I think they have more than earned their spot to Sochi.

    B/L on the other hand have been a huge disappointment. If they don't have their act together by nationals and not only don't win but look really bad the fed may have no choice than to send K/S to Euros if they can prove they are in competition shape, I feel he has more than earned that trip.

    If both B/L and S/K skate really well and by the time Euros comes around all three look great, I have no idea what the fed would do. It's only fair B/L and S/K get sent. As sad as I would be for Kavaguti and Smirnov to send a couple of headcases, they really aren't much better, all three can be wonderful and awful in any given situation. One of those three will have to skate the free skate in the team competition. I think S/K are the best bet at this point.

    I just don't think it's a good idea not to let the Olympians skate at Euros, it's good practice.
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    I can't see the Russian Federation leaving Moskvina's last team off the Olympic team unless Smirnov is physically unready at Euros.
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    If K&S are physically capable of competing at the Euros, even with a diluted program, I think their fed will give them the spot, but with any injury it's hard to predict what shape they may be in.
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    3/3 looked good and I think it is a recycled program. Tukt also dumped this years SP for her old tango program that she has been skating to for years :slinkaway
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    :( I loved the other one, too bad.
    But if she feels more confident with the other, it's the Olympic selection, so it's a good move!
  27. Moka-Ananas

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    I am afraid Tuk is going NOWHERE this season and it just breaks my heart since I have been the one who was always proclaiming her to be the OGM in 2014. It hurts. It just hurts,
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    i thought leonova is going back to the pirate - sp, now another sp? i am kinda confused :D
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    It doesn't really matter though. No way she makes Euros or even Olys/Worlds.
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    The expectation was that she would be replaced by one of the baby Russians, or that she may have an outside chance to get the 3rd spot- alas! there is no 3rd spot. She is pretty much done at this point; there are too many talented young ladies in Russia, and finding two of them is not hard at all- even with the inconsistencies of Adelina and Liza because there are some rising stars. I would just like to see Alena skate well and end her career on a high note (that is, if she is planning on retiring after this season).
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    She is young enough to work through her problems and perhaps be a contender in 2018.
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    I think its interesting people can tell the difference between any of her SP and LP's LOL.