From Russia with love - Summer through Autumn 2013

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by allezfred, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. hanca

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    That's three teams doing it now then! Peng-Zhang, Sui-Han and Antipova-Maisuradze. How exciting!

    I wish Antipova-Maisuradze got rid of the sbs doubles though. She used to be a singles skater, not particularly gifted the way the current juniors are (she didn't qualify for Russian nationals) but I did see somewhere on youtube a video of her doing a program with 3T-3T. So I am not sure why they do now double-double combination.

    I have to say that I didn't like Antipova's skating last year because she kept regularly looking down on the ice and didn't project at all, but this year it has been fixed and she improved a lot. She is only 15 or 16 so she may not have finished with puberty but if she doesn't grow and doesn't start struggling with her jumps, I can imagine that they could seriously fight with Bazarova-Larionov and Stolbova-Klimov for their spots.

    And I think next season Tarasova-Morozov, Gainedt.-Bitch and Davankova-Deputat have to move to seniors. It will be quite overcrowded in Russian pairs on the senior level. I think we will see now Martiusheva-Rogonov and Gerboldt-Enbert less and less.
  2. julieann

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    They are looking really good so far. He mentioned next season trying a throw quad and both of them doing a triple lutz. They seem very ambitious. I just hope they stay with their coach.
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  3. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Then how about ACTUALLY. With Kovtun making GPF and pulling in huge scores, he has more than justified his spot at Euros, Olympics and Worlds.
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    Kovtun pulled in one huge SP score; his highest FS score this year is 40 points off the leader. There are four American men with higher FS scores this season. Plushenko's LP score at Volvo Cup was 15% higher than Kovtun's, and his SP score, without two quads, which more than made up the difference in their SP scores. More importantly, last season, when the pressure was on, he couldn't place Top 12 to retain two Men's spots for Russia.

    I think it's too soon to call Kovtun's place justified, especially when, internally, they've told Plushenko what he does and doesn't have to do to own the spot.
  5. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Oh sure, sorry I wasn't clear but I meant AFTER Plushenko. If Plushenko decided not to, or simply can not, skate either the whole Olympics or the individual event, one Russian man will have to step in.

    And Kovtun has it all over the likes of Menshov, Voronov and Gachinski at this point with his 2 silver medalsand averaging 239 on the GP circuit. Menshov's SB was 223, Voronov 221 and Gachinski was 211.

    By 'justified' I mean even if he doesn't win Russian Nationals, he is still going to be Russian's best bet for the highest placement if Plushenko couldn't make it.
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  6. dinakt

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    I am quite taken with Antipova/ Maisuradze. Here is their EX from Cup of Russia: http://youtu.be/dwkiOketHL8
    For a pair who has not been together for very long, and with Julia being so young, that is both expressive and intricate.
    They also seem to get along ( knock on wood). I wish them great luck.
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  7. lauravvv

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    Rostelecom Cup was the first time I saw them skate, and I liked them too. I'd say their LP/FS is even more expressive, although it's not everyone's cup of tea for sure. I hope that everything goes well for them and they develop into a great pair.
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  8. love_skate2011

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    They are now coached by Artur Dmitriev full time
    and have left their previous coach evil Pavlova :cheer2:

    now bring in more quad twits and quad throws
  9. Vash01

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    She actually reminded me of a 16 year old Elena Berezhnaya (yes, you read me correct; at 16 Elena had quite a personality on the ice- she was skating with Shliakov and at that time they seemed like a very promising pair)
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  11. quiqie

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    Russian Figure Skating Federation has announced the roster for Univesiade: http://fsrussia.ru/news/943_shest-r...i-shest-par-vystupyat-na-zimnej-universiade/#

    Ladies: Maria Artemieva, Sofia Biryukova, Sofia Mishina, no alternates
    Men: Moris Kvitelashvili, Gordei Gorshkov, Zhan Bush
    Alternates: Vladislav Sezganov
    Pairs: Ksenia Stolbova/Fedor Klimov, Evgenia Trasova/Vladimir Morozov, Natalia Mitina/Yuri Shevchuk
    Alternates: Anastasia Martyusheva/Alexei Rogonov
    Ice dance: Ksenia Monko/Kirill Khaliavin, Viktoria Sinitsina/Ruslan Zhiganshin, Alexandra Stepanova/Ivan Bukin
    Alternates: Valeria Zenkova/Valery Sinitsin
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  12. Jeschke

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    mitina/shevchuk chosen and martiusheva/rogonov alternates? any reasons for that or just ouch?:eek:
  13. quiqie

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    Anastasia wrote on Twitter that their coaches declined the offer.
  14. Jeschke

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    thanks for the news about m/r.

    so summarizing staviski:

    gold is between d/w and v/m; he feels v/m's free dance is lacking somethign special, which may/should be fixed by the time of the olympics.

    p/b are more interresting than last season, but not as before; will be a fight for bronze, with the 2 russians and weaver poje. weaver/poje may be sacrificed by the canadian fed in the fight for v/m's gold; hope i understood it here correctly. he liked w/p free dance a lot. cappelini/lanotte are good but not special this year and might not interverne in fight for bronze.

    3rd russian spot between r/t and m/k. few words about stupid mistakes of m/k in this years competition , but at rostelecom they were on track; s/z are great skaters but may have no chance this years, they are kinda junior to him, next year, they may bfight for 3rd.

    b/s and i/k are almost on the same level; so we will see who will get it, mental strength important too
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  15. elka_sk8

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    I was really impressed with this pair too. How long have they been together? Their unison was quite good. Will be interesting to watch them develop- with the age difference its a bit like a "kid skating with an adult" at the moment, which limits them stylistically, but that will sort itself out in time as she grows up.
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    At least some of it is from the soundtrack of Anastasia.
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  21. orientalplane

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    You mean....those who still support Plushenko? Haven't we got enough on the board already?
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  25. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Elena looks great! :) Spending less time on the net during the Olympic season is a very good idea.
  26. julieann

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    Great for Adelina to get that kind of sponsorship!!!

    Elena looks great. Nice to know her, Nikol & Adelina are all friends.
  28. love_skate2011

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    Don't celebrate yet. There is still the FS! But I do like her new SP.
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  30. NadineWhite

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    Lol I'm having so many issues with my 'puter tonight. :( Anyhow, I wanted to quote Autumn_girl's post about Adelina getting that super cool sponsorship from Nike. :cool: Seriously, don't think I've ever watched a Russian commercial before and omg they are better than our American ones. :D
  31. love_skate2011

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    Sotskova won the LP too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRAbYQJoHc ;)

    her skates are transition packed and she doesn't look tiny for a 13 year old
    very mature for her age and hopefully she'll survive puberty

    I can see Carolina Kostner in her
  32. Marco

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    I feel bad for the current badge of junior ladies.

    The seniors field is way too deep and many are still eligible for Jr Worlds. The top skaters who made senior GPF but don't make Euros, Sochi or Worlds (or simply age-ineligible like Rad) might return to Jr Worlds. Out of the 4 junior ladies who made JGPF, it's entirely possible that only one will get to go to Jr Worlds.

    Even next year when / if Russia gets its third spot back for Worlds, it's still going to be so crowded. Talented ladies like Sakahnovich, Proklova and Medvedeva may never get to go to Jr Worlds, let alone Sr Worlds.
  33. pinky166

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    I feel bad for the likes of Pogo and Tuk too, they are both so talented but it's highly unlikely either of them get to go to Sochi, and only one will get to Euros, or possibly neither if someone like Leonova, Gosviani, or Biryukova were to beat them at Nationals and get sent instead. And if Pogo were to go to Euros, Liza's season would be over after Nationals, and if Liza or someone else were to get the Euros spot too, Pogo's season could be over after (Junior) Nationals as well, because there are a bunch of girls eligible for JW that could beat her at Junior Nationals and get those spots instead. Both Pogo and Tuk are too good to have their seasons over after Nationals IMO, however there is a good chance that happens :(
  34. Loves_Shizuka

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    Well, one or two might be switching countries over the next few seasons perhaps?
  35. pinky166

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    Gosviani could skate for Georgia and Pogorilaya for Ukraine I think. But if they plan on switching they should do it within the next year or two because I believe you need to sit out 2 seasons of ISU competition before you can represent another country internationally. Perhaps it's only 1 season though. Either way, I guess to participate in the Olympics in 2018, they would have to gain citizenship of the other country, which might be difficult to do anyways. Pogo might have a chance to make it to big events in Russia, we'll have to wait and see, but Gosviani I doubt will ever get to a competition as big as Euros again skating for Russia, and next season she might only get senior Bs, so it could be a smart move. Gedevanishvilli is probably retiring after Sochi, but even if she doesn't Nikol would probably beat her most of the time anyways. In Ukraine the only strong lady is Popova, whom Pogorilaya is already head and shoulders ahead of in her skating, or at least jumping ability, for the time being. Idk if Tuk would have any other options but Russia but I think she can bounce back once she adjusts to her new body, her technique is so good.
  36. hanca

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    I wouldn't mind at all. We definitely need at least one talented lady.
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    The rules for singles who change countries are that they must not have competed for another country

    1. Within one year of July 1 of the current season for international competitions
    2. Within 18 months of July 1 of the current season for championships.

    Any skater who competes internationally for one country this season must wait:

    1. Until the 2015-16 season to compete for another country at Senior B's, GP's, JGP's, and maybe WTT (N/A for Georgia or Ukraine).

    2. Until the 2015-16 season if that skater last competes internationally by December 31, 2013 or until the 2016-17 season if the skater last competes internationally between January 1-June 30, 2014 to compete for another country at championships.

    Unless the ISU grants an exception, as the did for Ivan Bariev to skate for Italy a season early.

    The rules for Pairs and Dance are different, where it is one calendar year from the last competition.
  38. love_skate2011

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    Pitkeev's FS - with Plushenko's Njinsky program music

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmea91Ketk

    regarding switching countries, that will only be optional for B list skaters
    for now Pogo and Tuk arent B list yet, maybe if they continue to struggle for many years ?
    to remain competitive in the Russian field, they have to play catch up with the other girls or be the federation pet like Sotnikova
  39. rfisher

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    Actually, what they need to do is win. Tuk is in 3rd place in her current comp behind Ando who just delivered a baby less than a year ago. I get that she's had some growth adjustments to make, but she's got to get back in form now or she'll go the Leonova route. She hasn't skated 2 clean programs in quite some time.
  40. Marco

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    Has Tuk had a clean short program yet? She must have competed 4 or 5 times this season now.